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View Poll Results: How long will Trump be President?

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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    22 19.30%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    32 28.07%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    46 40.35%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    2 1.75%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    12 10.53%
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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #9576
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2005
    Location: Not Kansas
    Well, it took special investigators two years to bring Tricky Dick down, so yeah, I'd say it's time to start getting out the popcorn. I'm just wondering, if Trump is impeached, will he resign to avoid going to trial or will he try to cling to his presidency for dear life? Bill Clinton was impeached, yet hung on, went to trial and was acquitted, but all Clinton did was tell one lie; Trump's (alleged, and it pains me to have to say that) offenses are a tad more serious. Since the House is now a Dem majority (or at least it will be come next January), I see no problems with them reaching a majority vote to initiate impeachment procedures for Trump; but then there's the Senate, a GOP majority, which will have the responsibility of actually convicting him and removing him from office. Are they capable of finally taking a definitive stand against Trump? Hell, are they even capable of doing the right thing anymore? Given their piss-poor track record of the last two years, I doubt it. I have to admit though, the prospect of seeing that orange baboon in handcuffs is appealing.

  2. #9577
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Trump will hold on to power to the bitter end. I wouldn't say "for dear life" or "clinging" because I think it's probable he has a narcissist personality disorder and it's literally cognitively impossible for him to confront the concept that he might have done something wrong or is anything less than the best president in US history. So resignation is out of the question. It's not even in the same galaxy as the question. Why would he even imagine resigning if he's done nothing wrong & is the greatest president ever? He'll go down saying he's the victim of a vast conspiracy against him all the way out the door; because jealous people out there want to bring down the best. So he wouldn't even say he's "clinging" to power. In his mind, he was elected by the biggest majority in US history and his approval ratings are still through the roof. People like that don't cling. They gloat.

    I personally like the image of the police waiting outside the gates of the White House arresting him the very day he leaves office, like out of a scene from 24. Now that Cohen is in jail for a crime Trump solicited, it's basically already a legal inevitability that Trump committed a felony that comes with jail time (soliciting a felony), that if I read it correctly, is a felony they'll bring under New York state law so even the question of whether Trump could pardon himself doesn't even come into play.

    Edit: In crim law we learn solicitation or abetting a crime is a degree less than the underlying crime, but on this type of case it's apparently a little different...
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...e_tNvkTpclInBQ

    What happens when a lawyer says his client ordered him to commit a crime and he did it, and the lawyer can prove what he claims? Bush ethics counsel Richard Painter reviews the precedents. The rule is that the lawyer and his client both go to jail, and the client as principal who benefitted from the crime, usually gets a sentence of imprisonment which is 1.5 to 1.8 times the sentence given to the lawyer; though the lawyer usually gets disbarred. That means that Donald J Trump is looking at 5–6 years on these two counts alone.
    Last edited by demagogue; 13th Dec 2018 at 11:04.

  3. #9578
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN

  4. #9579
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Looks like he might be getting a second term after all, and it could be far longer than 4 years.

  5. #9580
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Robert-Redford-nod.gif

    Quote of the day right there.

  6. #9581
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    I think you are all a bit over-enthousiastic. This is the US. If you have friends, if you have money, or if you have both, you won't go to jail. It's that simple. This is how the US justice system works. Trump can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and he won't go to jail. He wasn't lying.

    There are 2 things that can happen:
    1) Trump gets sick of playing President. He himself decides to not run for a 2nd term. He retires. He lives long and happily ever after.
    2) Trump decides to go for a 2nd term. He wins the next election. (There is no doubt he will). He will be president for another 4 years.

    Anything else is wishful thinking.
    Let's hope he decides to quit in 2020.

  7. #9582
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    On the contrary, it seems the only thing preventing him from arrest now or in the very near future, is being president. The newly installed AG for New York is gunning for him and his kids on at least three fronts. Mueller is ranging in on Trump himself. Old friends are lining up to take turns throwing Donny under the bus.

    And the amount of strong arming and gerrymandering the GOP would need, to get Trump elected, if they even allow his nomination, is astronomical.

    He's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Looks like he might be getting a second term after all, and it could be far longer than 4 years.
    He did toy openly with the idea of a life term...

  8. #9583
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    I think you are all a bit over-enthousiastic. This is the US. If you have friends, if you have money, or if you have both, you won't go to jail. It's that simple.
    Yeah... There's still this thing called res judicata. It means once a court has decided something and it's the final decision (not subject to any further appeals), then it's settled law. That the underlying act is a crime which Cohen is going to serve time for is already a settled decision now. (Edit: Ok, technically it's not res judicata, it's collateral estoppel, since it's not the final verdict itself being repeated, only one issue in the first trial that's been decided for the 2nd. But it's the same idea.) All a new trial has to show is that Trump solicited it, and Cohen has an audio recording of the solicitation.

    I mean, people like OJ can throw vast sums of money and get an acquittal for hopeless-looking cases to begin with; that's true. But in this case, there's not much wiggle room left for Trump to argue his way out of this. He can't argue the act wasn't a crime anymore. He'd have to argue his statements weren't really solicitation and... That's kind of a hard sell.

    There's also the possibility of directly bribing a judge or jury member that happens sometimes, of course, but with the scrutiny on this case I wouldn't bet on that, either.

  9. #9584
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Also, looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg of the potential legal trouble. It has nothing to do with Lord Dampnut's shady business or his foundation or self-dealing or emoluments or obstruction of justice. It's "merely" an attempt to hide a campaign finance violation.

    "Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money."
    -- the president of the United States
    Last edited by Starker; 14th Dec 2018 at 00:50.

  10. #9585
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    What? Another one?

    Trump Inauguration Spending Under Criminal Investigation by Federal Prosecutors


    Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating whether President Trump’s 2017 inaugural committee misspent some of the record $107 million it raised from donations, people familiar with the matter said.
    Just by comparison, Obama's record breaking party, just a decade earlier, cost a mere $40 million.

  11. #9586
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    And this story coming out today.
    Trump inaugural fund and super PAC said to be scrutinized for illegal foreign donations

    Arab states allegedly illegally donated a McDuck vault of money to Trump's campaign, explaining why he's been so friendly to their interests. But who would believe Trump is the kind of person who would set US foreign policy based entirely on a blatant bribe?

  12. #9587
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    "Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."

    But wait, there's more...

    https://www.propublica.org/article/t...-in-the-middle

    When it came out this year that President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee raised and spent unprecedented amounts, people wondered where all that money went.

    It turns out one beneficiary was Trump himself.

    The inauguration paid the Trump Organization for rooms, meals and event space at the company’s Washington hotel, according to interviews as well as internal emails and receipts reviewed by WNYC and ProPublica.

    During the planning, Ivanka Trump, the president-elect’s eldest daughter and a senior executive with the Trump Organization, was involved in negotiating the price the hotel charged the 58th Presidential Inaugural Committee for venue rentals. A top inaugural planner emailed Ivanka and others at the company to “express my concern” that the hotel was overcharging for its event spaces, worrying of what would happen “when this is audited.”

    If the Trump hotel charged more than the going rate for the venues, it could violate tax law. The inaugural committee’s payments to the Trump Organization and Ivanka Trump’s role have not been previously reported or disclosed in public filings.

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