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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    26 18.31%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    49 34.51%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    50 35.21%
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    4 2.82%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    13 9.15%
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  1. #1151
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Springsteen says Trump's a conman so that's good enough for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Explanation
    Thanks, heywood. I'm wondering who you register to vote with.

    I'm puzzling over how voter fraud might work over here. The last report I read suggested it wasn't widespread and allegations only occurred in specific places and was more to do with intimidation etc. Local councils are responsible for the electoral register and also for property rates. I don't think properties that are not rated receive annual electoral registration forms. But I could be wrong there. All properties have some form of rating.

    We can do online registering but I think we have to provide a National Insurance number. I'd have thought trying to give a dodgy number would show up pretty quickly. And you can register by post. I don't know what that entails. But maybe our government is not keeping as close an eye on me as I think it does.

    I do know there are recommendations here for ID to be provided at polling stations in future, among other tightening-up procedures.

  2. #1152
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Voting fraud is usually a local thing, like what LBJ pulled to get elected to the Senate in TX in the 40s, or if a presidential election comes down to one district, like Kennedy v Nixon 1960. I mean things like W's campaign scaremongering in 2004 with the gay marriage flyers and the like still happens, but that's not fraud, just swarmy.

    It'd be next to impossible to pull off on the national level since you have to coordinate thousands of officials, nevermind they all need to be equally corrupt in the same direction.

    Now what you could do is have a central decisionmaking body overturn the will of the people.
    The last time that happened in the US was arguably the 2000 election when the Supreme Court ended the Florida recount to effectively declare W president. Lol, the only arguable case for blatant vote fraud in recent US history was in favor of the GOP.

  3. #1153
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Lockdown... if only
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    Thanks, heywood. I'm wondering who you register to vote with.

    I'm puzzling over how voter fraud might work over here. The last report I read suggested it wasn't widespread and allegations only occurred in specific places and was more to do with intimidation etc. Local councils are responsible for the electoral register and also for property rates. I don't think properties that are not rated receive annual electoral registration forms. But I could be wrong there. All properties have some form of rating.
    Where you register to vote varies from state to state, but it's generally a municipal office and/or state motor vehicle office or by mail. In my state, you go to the closest town or city clerk, or you can register at the polling place on election day, or by mail. In other states I've lived in, most people register at a state motor vehicle office or by mail. In New York, there was also a long list of different state agency offices you could register at.

    Voter ID laws are one of the most highly partisan issues here, and so nearly all of the media coverage of it is heavily slanted. Democratic-leaning media sources like to focus on the number of prosecuted cases of voter impersonation, which is extremely small, and use that to claim that voter fraud is almost non-existent. But that ignores other types of fraud and the fact that a lot of voter fraud is not prosecutable. For example, when someone votes twice, that's not voter impersonation. And when a dead person votes, how do you prosecute that? And Republican-leaning media sources report anything that sounds suspicious. For example, there was a big story a couple years ago when a North Carolina state election board found 35k cases in the 2012 election where a voter's First Name, Last Name, and Date of Birth matched a record of a vote in another state, thus 35k potential cases of multiple voting. That made big headlines and was one of the things used to justify NC's voter ID law. But when they also included the last 4 digits of the voter's Social Security ID in the match, the number of matches went down to 765. Not all states record voter SSIDs, and only half of the states participate in the cross check, so the real number could be higher than 765. Of course, the other side likes to point out that there were only two convictions. Which is not surprising; how is a county prosecutor in NC going to prove that one of their residents voted in another state? So the real number is probably more than 2 and certainly less than 35k. 765 is probably around the right order of magnitude, but nobody knows for sure. That was one of the bigger stories that went around the national news, but there are other stories like this on a smaller scale coming out every election cycle, 81 dead voters here, 2000 fake addresses there, etc., etc. But nothing big enough to throw a national election.

    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Now what you could do is have a central decisionmaking body overturn the will of the people.
    The last time that happened in the US was arguably the 2000 election when the Supreme Court ended the Florida recount to effectively declare W president. Lol, the only arguable case for blatant vote fraud in recent US history was in favor of the GOP.
    That's been debunked.

  4. #1154
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Trump has invited Malik Obama, Barack's half-brother, to tonight's debate as his personal guest. As to why he'd do this, well...fuck if I know.

  5. #1155
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Thank you again for the clarification, heywood.

    I've been feeling increasingly saddened by the USA that no longer seems to be the USA of my dreams. I always wanted to go, spend 6 months driving to all those magical place names I grew up with. Started with Oklahoma I think, possibly because my parents were involved in a production in Gibraltar and I was fascinated by my mother's can-can. Went on to Memphis and Tulsa, Woodstock, San Francisco (my sister got a flower when she moved there), Massachusetts, Georgia, California, Alabama, Atlantic City, Manhattan etc. etc. And probably ended with Philadelphia.

    Even up to 10 years ago I still wanted to go. Not any more. Despite the mockery and jokes, I wish this bitter divisiveness wasn't happening to you. It seems to be a terrible situation no matter which side you're on. So much hate.

    I truly hope things go better than everyone thinks they will.

    Edit. @ dema. We seem to be in the middle of a court case regarding the possible overturning of the 'will of the people'. Apparently, 6 years ago, 'Ministers agreed that referendums cannot be legally binding'. The plot thickens.

  6. #1156
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Honestly, Nickie, what you're seeing now isn't necessarily anything new. It's something that's always been with us, lurking in the background, that occasionally rises to the surface during contentious times.

  7. #1157
    Yeah nickie, don't delay your trip here because of all the recent BS. That stuff will always be going on in one form or another. It's still a great country with some cool places to visit and explore, that will never change. And awesome people, overall.

  8. #1158
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    I guess I'm heavily influenced by the change in my sister and other relatives in the last few years. They're a bit scary now and my sister was pretty socialist when she left here. I know TTLGers are awesome, and wonderful and all sorts of other nice things. But I don't expect I'd meet many of them on my travels.

    As it is, I'm going to have to wait for people to die before I can ever afford the trip so I think maybe by the time I do have the dosh, I may well be too old myself. I'll go back to California Dreamin'.

  9. #1159
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Though I think it's a good idea to enjoy the ride while things are currently batshit crazy. I mean, might as well, right?

    DEBATE 2016: MOAR BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! With Chris Wallace.

  10. #1160
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    BLOOD!


  11. #1161
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    I'm puzzling over how voter fraud might work over here.
    The Conservatives are currently being investigated for it in several constituencies. They broke the material funding limit in several places.

  12. #1162
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Oh did they indeed! I shall have to do a little searching as I've not read anything about that at all. And there was I thinking they'd improved.

    I was intending to watch the final debate tonight but have decided I can't be arsed and will look forward to some drama with my morning tea.

  13. #1163
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2002
    Location: London / London / London
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    I'll go back to California Dreamin'.
    I've been there three times in the last three years to go the big desert rave thing and then assorted road trips. California is 100% worth the trip, it's an amazing place.

  14. #1164
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2010
    Location: A Former Forest
    Nickie, if you want to see a "green" California, I suggest coming out sooner than later. Our over 1 decade old drought is stressing out our forests. Yosemite is still doing well, but the coastal redwoods are starting to show signs of stress. Lots of wild fires too. Southern CA forests are about 1/2 dead wood, due to lack of water and bark beetle infestations. The deserts are doing sort of OK, except the Joshua Tree area. These are sort of like Yucca plants and used to be seen for miles in all directions in our southern deserts. They are still there, but super stressed and not reproducing too well.

    As for city activities, just like our government and travel wonks say about Europe, the same goes for the USA. Just stay away from "hostile" areas and events. But what you might think is a potential hostile event will not be. For instance, you can go to an American football game and not get killed. We have nothing here like you have with football (soccer) brawls in the UK. Going to the movies though may be risky. For some reason, nut cases like to kill movie goers. Yes, it is exceptionally rare, but it does get a lot of attention when it occurs.

  15. #1165
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Bjack, you're a terrible travel agent.

  16. #1166
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Vertigo, DragonSand, Xeen
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Though I think it's a good idea to enjoy the ride while things are currently batshit crazy. I mean, might as well, right?

    DEBATE 2016: MOAR BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! With Chris Wallace.


    Debate begins in minutes!!!

  17. #1167
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea

  18. #1168
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    Quote Originally Posted by bjack View Post
    But what you might think is a potential hostile event will not be. For instance, you can go to an American football game and not get killed. We have nothing here like you have with football (soccer) brawls in the UK.


    I have been to hundreds of football matches, and never been involved in an inkling of trouble.

    I guess misconceptions about other cultures go both ways.

  19. #1169
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    It's not like we don't have sports riots in the U.S.. Overall they're not as bad here as they are in some other places, but we do have them.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/t...rts-tradition/

  20. #1170
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    We mostly riot over pumpkins and pumpkin related goods here in the States.

  21. #1171
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night

  22. #1172
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2010
    Location: A Former Forest
    The dead are voting...

    http://nevo.news/index.php/2016/08/1...he-age-of-110/

    Believe it or don't... Shades of Kennedy.

  23. #1173
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: Pacific Northwest
    Within months of seizing powI mean being elected, Clinton will retroactively enfranchise zombies, ghouls, and vampires.

    No Lives Matter

  24. #1174
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Yeah, there are tons of well-documented problems with the voter registration system. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the fraudulent registrations are actually being used to cast votes.

  25. #1175
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Donald Trump Foreign Policy Speech In Gettysburg, PA - First 100 Day Plan



    DONALD J. TRUMP DELIVERS GROUNDBREAKING CONTRACT FOR THE AMERICAN VOTER IN GETTYSBURG

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