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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    28 18.79%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    54 36.24%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    50 33.56%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    4 2.68%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    13 8.72%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #12326
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    Nearly 400 million guns in the US. We are not the problem you pretend we are

  2. #12327
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    I have a few of those. One for every purpose and none over. If I can't hit what I'm aiming at in seven then I quit.

    I sure liked it better when you had to aim instead of spray. I think that changed when Chuck Norris started spraying bullets. It was somewhere around that time. Before that kids just creamed over the six shooters.

  3. #12328
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Why are you talking about guns but not subsidies on building materials? Or the rules covering benzene effluence into water sources?

    Do you see how dumb it is to pick one random minor issue out of the millions of political issues happening and spam 20 posts on it as if it's the end all be all of human existence? It makes it look like an unhealthy fixation.

  4. #12329
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Rather fond of the benzene ring now that you mention it.

    Guns rile folks up is my guess. Makes them want to shoot those liberals who say they are dangerous.

  5. #12330
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    The leading case on how the government & courts should use science was about benzene in water, so that's probably why I thought of it.

    Yeah I wasn't really questioning why it happens. Gun talk definitely riles them up, just like abortion and the private lives of gay people and refugee caravans (nevermind if they're imaginary) and freeloaders (i.e., Blacks and Mexican-Americans) getting food stamps (nevermind their situation is nothing like it's imagined to be). But all of that is politics by arbitrary fixation at best, open discrimination or conspiratorial fear-mongering at worst. Even when you want to talk about them as legitimate political issues, it's good to cut out the emotion and fixation.

    One of my rules of thumb is to distrust reactionary emotions I have on any issue as having to do more with the emotion than anything happening in reality, and whenever I see something I've never seen or heard about before, those are the things I really wonder about. It's the things you don't see or know about where a lot of the real action is and that you ought to look for!

  6. #12331
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Why are you talking about guns but not subsidies on building materials? Or the rules covering benzene effluence into water sources?

    Do you see how dumb it is to pick one random minor issue out of the millions of political issues happening and spam 20 posts on it as if it's the end all be all of human existence? It makes it look like an unhealthy fixation.
    How many post would you make on an issue regarding rights? What is “minor” to you is important to others.

  7. #12332
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    The 2nd is a RIGHT, perhaps the day you get that is the day you will understand why it’s important to defend it

  8. #12333
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    If you really want to debate guns or even just bitch and whine, why don't you make a new thread or use one of the several ones we have already? You're spamming up a thread that has nothing to do with this.

  9. #12334
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The Trump Dump is an all things political catch all, where any relevant topic of the day can be discussed. Though with that stated, I wouldn't be too opposed to a gun thread spin off. It's a good way to release some of the pressure here. The Left/Right Discourse thread has done an excellent job of focusing the crazy. A gun thread could do the same for the gun people.

    JK and Slyfoxx could go in there and show off their collection of camo Punisher t-shirts, giggling like little school girls all the while. It'll be straight up fucking wicked, brae!

  10. #12335
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Well, if you say so.

    In any case, someone went and calculated the exact time US was great: https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/s...94629071196160

  11. #12336
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    The 2nd is a RIGHT, perhaps the day you get that is the day you will understand why it’s important to defend it


    The whole thing really, but go to 4:20 for the relevant bit.

  12. #12337
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, somehow I don't think if those Japanese-Americans had resisted the tyranny of the government by using their 2nd amendment rights, they'd be hailed as heroes by the gun advocates.

  13. #12338
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    The 2nd is a RIGHT, perhaps the day you get that is the day you will understand why it’s important to defend it
    The 2nd is a "right" given to you by Big Gubmint. Libertarians despise Big Gubmint. Make up your mind what you are defending. You can't say "let the world burn... except for the 2nd, 'cause that's sacred and inviolable".

  14. #12339
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Washington DC
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Gun talk definitely riles them up, just like abortion and the private lives of gay people and refugee caravans (nevermind if they're imaginary) and freeloaders (i.e., Blacks and Mexican-Americans) getting food stamps (nevermind their situation is nothing like it's imagined to be). But all of that is politics by arbitrary fixation at best, open discrimination or conspiratorial fear-mongering at worst.
    Somehow I don't think that adequately explains Antifa Seven Hills or the Socialist Rifle Association showing up to the rally. Beyond the reactionaries and the nebulous idea of a revolution against tyranny, there are an increasing number people who believe, for various reasons, that they either can't trust the police to ensure their safety or actively don't want police making decisions of life or death. The idea of a heavily-armed, unaccountable, strongly-right-leaning police class providing the safety for a disarmed population (or not, since there is no legal duty to protect) is not universally popular on the left.

    We can speculate on how the 2nd Amendment clingers would view Japanese-Americans using force to resist internment, but the fact is that minority groups are taking an increasing interest in self-defense. Concealed carry permit issuance among black and Latino populations has been rising over the last ten years, and Pink Pistols alone have 45 chapters nationwide. I'm currently living in a majority-Korean town, and they've been armed to the teeth ever since the LA Riots. So whatever this issue is, it's not explicitly a left-vs-right thing. Which isn't anything new- California's gun control began as a response to the Black Panthers having an open-carry march- but it's less divided along party lines than it has been for the past two decades.

    And given the imaginative ranting about 'Bubba Rambo' in this thread, I'd say it's not just the extreme gun advocates who get riled up by it, either.

  15. #12340
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    As far as I can tell, nobody is talking about about anything even remotely close to disarming the populace. It's things like background checks, red flag laws, etc.

  16. #12341
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    ...the fact is that minority groups are taking an increasing interest in self-defense.
    Well, that's how we got national gun control laws the first time around.

  17. #12342
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Washington DC
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    As far as I can tell, nobody is talking about about anything even remotely close to disarming the populace. It's things like background checks, red flag laws, etc.
    Yeah, plus mandatory registries, which have historically been used to carry out subsequent confiscation efforts in New York and Hawaii. And outright confiscation (as in the previously-submitted Virginia bills, or Beto O'Rourke making it a platform promise, or California's assault weapons ban). And restrictions on use of firearms for self-defense or concealed carry. We've seen this process play out in other states before, and seen Democrats wistfully remark on how the UK and Australia should be our model; it's not hard to infer that the end goal is somewhere beyond 'background checks and red flag laws and then we'll call it a day'.

    Call it what you want; we know the UK and Australia still have guns but they're certainly not available as a practical means of self-defense for marginalized communities.

    Also, some of these intermediate measures disproportionately affect those communities as it stands. Universal background check laws, for example, don't allow private citizens to conduct background checks, they simply ban private sale and require a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder to facilitate the sale. The problem is that in order to have an FFL, you need to run a business, which makes you subject to zoning laws. Many urban municipalities use zoning to keep FFL holders out. In the entire District of Columbia, for example, there is only a single FFL holder, and he is required by the District to operate out of the DC police headquarters. If you're a DC resident and want a handgun, you have to schedule with him, go to the police headquarters downtown, and pay his abnormally high transfer fee. If he doesn't want to do business with you for whatever reason (which, as with many of the Good Old Boys working at gun shops, could be the color of your skin), you're out of luck. If he dies, that'll be it for legal transfers until something (probably legal action) forces the District to allow another FFL.

    Red flag laws tend to be problematic from a civil liberties standpoint, but if worded properly they're fine. Handgun purchase limits are fine too. There's also currently a bill in the VA House regarding safe storage and I hope that one goes through. This protest and backlash is not centered on the specific, immediate bills that are up for vote, it's about long-term policy.

  18. #12343
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    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    Somehow I don't think that adequately explains Antifa Seven Hills or the Socialist Rifle Association showing up to the rally. Beyond the reactionaries and the nebulous idea of a revolution against tyranny, there are an increasing number people who believe, for various reasons, that they either can't trust the police to ensure their safety or actively don't want police making decisions of life or death. The idea of a heavily-armed, unaccountable, strongly-right-leaning police class providing the safety for a disarmed population (or not, since there is no legal duty to protect) is not universally popular on the left.

    We can speculate on how the 2nd Amendment clingers would view Japanese-Americans using force to resist internment, but the fact is that minority groups are taking an increasing interest in self-defense. Concealed carry permit issuance among black and Latino populations has been rising over the last ten years, and Pink Pistols alone have 45 chapters nationwide. I'm currently living in a majority-Korean town, and they've been armed to the teeth ever since the LA Riots. So whatever this issue is, it's not explicitly a left-vs-right thing. Which isn't anything new- California's gun control began as a response to the Black Panthers having an open-carry march- but it's less divided along party lines than it has been for the past two decades.

    And given the imaginative ranting about 'Bubba Rambo' in this thread, I'd say it's not just the extreme gun advocates who get riled up by it, either.
    liberals " trump is literally hitler, white nationalism if rising, cops are killing minorities"
    also liberals " only the GOVT should have guns".

  19. #12344
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    That's what frustrates me the most when talking about gun control -- there's some kind of a hypothetical dystopian scenario that could happen, therefore even the mildest and widely supported measures must be struck down. It's always black and white, with some not infrequent insinuations that murder is going to be on the menu otherwise.

  20. #12345
    Boomers live in alternate universe. It is like they think it is still 1985. We are on the verge of a financial meltdown and the only way we are keeping things afloat financially is through emergency QE procedures. We are stuck in an endless war for 18 years, Vietnam was only 12/13 years. And a hot civil war is on the verge of kicking off in Virginia.

    And this is what Trump wastes his time on in his rallies and his dwindling supporters cheer for?

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...150924802?s=20

  21. #12346
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    That's what frustrates me the most when talking about gun control -- there's some kind of a hypothetical dystopian scenario that could happen, therefore even the mildest and widely supported measures must be struck down. It's always black and white, with some not infrequent insinuations that murder is going to be on the menu otherwise.
    CA went full retard, Bill Clinton went full retard, sorry but the democrats being extreme retards is why we say not one more fucking inch.

  22. #12347
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    CA went full retard, Bill Clinton went full retard, sorry but the democrats being extreme retards is why we say not one more fucking inch.
    The Assault Rifle Ban of '94 actually had surprisingly strong Republican support behind it. Reagan became a big advocate for gun control after being shot by Hinckley back in the 80's, and was one of the architects behind California's more draconian gun control laws after all. He did quite a bit to spearhead the issue for both parties.

    While the Democrats have been historically a little more proactive about gun control laws, it really only became a partisan issue under Bush.

  23. #12348
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    said it before, I would NOT bother me if Reagans corpse was put on display for people to piss on it.

  24. #12349
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    So in other news, Biden has joined with some Republicans in advocating for the removal of Sec. 230 of the Communications Decency Act, spurred on because Facebook refused to remove a Trump campaign ad that outright libels Biden because, according to them, it's not their place to police content for outright lies.

    As hard as it is to side with Facebook on something, they do have a point.

    Sec. 230 is important because it keeps service providers from being liable for the content that's posted to their services. You remove it, and suddenly everyone can be held accountable, from the service itself for hosting suspect content, to the ISPs for allowing a direct link to the service hosting suspect content. It won't lead to MOAR FREEDOM or MOAR ACCOUNTABILITY. It'll lead to everyone censoring anything that looks even remotely suspicious or controversial, simply so they won't be sued by an angered 3rd party, or brought in for questioning by the FBI because Little Billy Edgelord posted photoshopped pictures of the Holocaust he got from the Daily Stormer on some obscure part of another forum somewhere.

    Now if Facebook decided to remove Trump's campaign ad on their own, that's perfectly fine. It's their service, their decision. They can moderate it as they see fit. But they shouldn't be forced into doing it by the government, or be stripped of safe harbor protections, because doing so would lead to the end of the internet as we know it.

    That Democrats are Republicans are now clamoring for the same thing should be worrying all of us.

  25. #12350
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    and that is why I love you, besides your good looks.nice credit score and the fact you can make me legal you sometimes find the balls needed to hit both sides for the stupid shit they support........

    anyways, Monday we all going to fight over shit unrelated to trump......
    (Meme removed)
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