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View Poll Results: How long will Trump be President?

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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    26 19.26%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    43 31.85%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    49 36.30%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    4 2.96%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    13 9.63%
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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #12476
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Let's break down how much each president added to the budget during their tenure by year.

    Obama:

    2017 - $671 billion
    2016 - $1.423 trillion
    2015 - $327 billion
    2014 - $1.086 trillion
    2013 - $672 billion
    2012 - $1.276 trillion
    2011 - $1.229 trillion
    2010 - $1.652 trillion

    Trump:

    Projected 2020 - $1.281 trillion
    2019 - $1.260 trillion
    2018 - $1.271 trillion

    It looks like Trump is matching Obama nearly 1:1, having not slowed down government spending in the least, despite claims to the contrary. If Trump gets two terms in office, he'll at least match him in money spent.

    I expect when this happens, the Trump defenders will start comparing the two not by dollars spent, but by percentage added to the deficit to better excuse it. Here's how I imagine these conversations will go then.

    "Yeah? So what if Trump spent $9-10 billion! He only increased the deficit by 50%! Odipshit jumped it up by nearly 75%! That's the most of any president in history!"

    "If you're going by percentages, then Obama's the 5th most expensive president. Reagan increased the deficit by nearly 200%, and W. Bush by around 100%. Obama's only the most expensive if you go by pure dollar amount, and don't account for inflation."

    "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, LIBTARD?"

  2. #12477
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Not only that, they'll conveniently forget all about the recession Obama inherited.

  3. #12478
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    he did not inherit shit, he campaigned for it.
    trump is indeed worse than obama, that clown is kicking the can down the road and he was supposed to be the "fiscal conservative" .. libtards, republitards, libertariantards, we are ALL going to pay for the shit when the bill is due.

  4. #12479
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The question is, who's gonna force us to pay the bill? It's mostly money the government owes to itself on our behalf. It's less "we borrowed a ton of money from the banks,and eventually we'll have to mortgage the house", more "sorry, we used the money you gave us for social security on war."

    Now, don't get me wrong. Having a high deficit isn't exactly great, because eventually paying the interest on it will become something of a burden. But don't make the mistake of assuming government debt is the same as the debt you or I have. If there ever comes a point where it becomes a true problem, it means the economy is in the process of imploding in upon itself, and the American people won't care, because we'll be too busy fighting each other in the streets over the last bags of affordable beef jerky.

    ...and then it won't be a problem at all, because the government will probably fall soon after, then it won't owe money to itself anymore. We'll have a new government soon enough, with a brand new economy, probably based around bartering.

    Wow. Perpetual growth capitalism really is a self-correcting system.

  5. #12480
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    don't we owe china a bit?
    why beef jerky? meat is murder my friend, try tofu instead.

  6. #12481
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Ain't no one gonna murder each other in the street for damn tofu.

    And yeah, China owns about $1 trillion of our debt, housed in treasury holdings. Thing is, they can't do anything with it, since if they decided to collect on it all at once, it'd immediately devalue the dollar, sending both of our economies into a tailspin. Massive amounts of money would be lost all around for nothing more than a political stunt.

    See, we're not really borrowing from China, at least not exactly. It's not that we're asking them to lend us a buck because we're short on change, but as a vote of assurance upon our mutual continued prosperity. Our debt with China grows as the dollar strengthens, because the worth of the treasury holdings they own rise in value alongside it.When it comes to foreign debt, think of it less as a loan, and more as an investment they've paid into us that we're obligated to honor. They're shareholders in the US economy.

  7. #12482
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    CAPITALISM FTW......
    I need to figure out how to explain that to some chinese hookers in a way that benefits me...........

  8. #12483
    Member
    Registered: May 2003
    Location: Minecraft
    If meat is murder, tofu is suicide.

  9. #12484
    The question is, who's gonna force us to pay the bill? It's mostly money the government owes to itself on our behalf. It's less "we borrowed a ton of money from the banks,and eventually we'll have to mortgage the house", more "sorry, we used the money you gave us for social security on war."
    The problem isn't being forced to pay the bill. Runaway deficit spending works as long as you can get someone to buy the debt. Once they stop buying the debt then you've got massive problems and the only option the central bank has is to monetize the debt.

    Wow. Perpetual growth capitalism really is a self-correcting system.
    It actually is. Capitalism is called as such because it empowers usury capital, which requires exponential growth to work while driving up the costs of almost everything in the economy through parastic "rent seeking" investment behavior. That's why it takes you 30 years to pay off your mortgage instead of 10.


    Catholic Europe was onto something when they banned compounding interest.

    **

    RE: the election:

    I'm noticing that people don't really learn much from either their victories or their losses. Ridiculing Bernie for example as a doddering communist loser proves that GOPers have learned nothing from Trump's election in 2016 when their own candidate was roundly dismissed by the opposition as an un-electable buffoon, and hence didn't bother to put up much of a fight until it was too late.

    Most folks just want to indulge in righteous wrath against whatever they've been coded to hate and it clouds their ability to think either rationally or strategically. One would think that if Bernie managed to do this well despite the DNC machine being out to crush him that he would at least be granted the status of a cunning enemy to be taken seriously and dealt with as such. But if he gets the nomination then I suspect the GOP crowd will fall back to lame, derisive meme wars not realising that such strategies only work in undermining power, not protecting it where it already rests.

    Most people don't even realise how much higher the deck has been stacked against Trump this time around by Silicon Valley. Those memes aren't even going to see the light of day outside of "far right" echo chambers.

    But as usual not many people will be interested in playing out these issues on their merits as they appear to the voting public. They will be reduced to blasting people with heretic status just like the Hillary supporters did when people said "but don't you think Trump has a point when he says...".

    And that's how you lose the middle.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 23rd Jan 2020 at 12:54.

  10. #12485
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Adam Schiff may not look like much, but his yesterday's performance at the Senate trial was one for the history books. The way Sekulow and Cipollone blustered and lied was nothing short of Fox News, only for their arguments to be taken apart by Schiff moments later. If you're a fan of history, this whole thing is amazing to watch.
    Case in point, Adam Schiff's closing argument yesterday, easily on par with historical moments like, "Have you no sense of decency, sir?":


  11. #12486
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Who Knew? America invented the WHEEL!

    “We have to protect Thomas Edison—we have to protect all of these people that came up with originally the light bulb, and the wheel, and all of these things, and he’s one of our very smart people,” Trump added.
    I'd hate to be the Trump staffer who has to break the sad news about Thomas Edison.

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