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View Poll Results: How long will Trump be President?

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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    26 18.06%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    51 35.42%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    50 34.72%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    4 2.78%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    13 9.03%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #12576
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Richard Nixon: "If the president does it, it isn't illegal."
    Alan Dershowitz: If someone who really wants to be president, does it to become president, it's isn't illegal, whatever it is.

    "A complex middle case is 'I want to be elected. I think I'm a great president. I think I'm the greatest president there ever was and if I'm not elected, the national interest will suffer greatly.' That cannot be an impeachable offense," Dershowitz concluded.
    A professor of law, spoke those words, in the Senate of the United States and was not taken out with the trash.

  2. #12577
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The laws we've abided by for 250 odd years are just suggestions, you know? If your heart's in the right place, if you truly believe in yourself, think you can make the world a better place, you can break them without consequence.

    So here's what I'm gonna do: I'm gonna rob a bank. When I'm caught, and brought before a judge, I'll declare myself Not Guilty. See, I robbed that bank to fund my campaign for the presidency. One day, I will be a great man, and I will change this country for the better. I didn't do it for me! I DID IT FOR ALL OF AMERICA!

    LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!

  3. #12578
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    That line comes from the generation of postwar European expats coming into the US, especially the Univ of Chicago, Morgenthau and Strauss, and they got it basically from Carl Schmitt ("Hitler's Lawyer"), the sovereign is he who decides on the exception (to what is legal). Because in exceptional circumstances where the survival of the state is at stake, the executive has to be able to do whatever must be done to protect us from them, so the argument goes. The original generation, the NY School, were Trotskyites, and then horrified by Stalin they gradually migrated to the right until they were getting Christmas cards from Reagan in the '80s. Nixon was right on the cusp of their ascendancy in the mid-'70s, rebranded as the Neo-Cons.

    It somehow seems really dated now, a tired slogan from a bygone age. Does anyone really credibly think cretins living in caves crafting improvised explosives out of '90s Nokia phones and bat shit or imaginary caravans of El Salvadorian tattooed gang rapists supposedly pouring across our borders whose kryptonite is the merciless detention of their children in cages without hope of soap, blankets, towels, anti-lice medication, and hugs are a credible existential threat to the US? I think not, sir, not one bit.

  4. #12579
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Jesus Christ those Project Lincoln ads are brutal:


  5. #12580
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    So we've got a conservative superPAC headed up by a bunch of old guard Republicans attacking Trump now? Man, this election is gonna be FUCKING LIT, YALL!

  6. #12581
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    ...and it's being spearheaded by George Conway, also known as Kellyanne Conway's husband. AW SNAP! I KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE SLEEPING ON THE COUCH TONIGHT!

    BLOOD ON THE DANCE FLOOR! HOLY SHIT!

  7. #12582
    Moderator
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Renz, dema - many thanks for the explanations. All is now clear.

  8. #12583
    BANNED
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    bet you she is a freak in the sheets.

  9. #12584
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    She's a conservative, that means she's all about the missionary with no eye contact.

  10. #12585
    BANNED
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    pffffft, christians are the ones having most abortions.

    anyways the kung flu or sweet & sour sicken needs to wipe out most of the US
    (Meme removed)

  11. #12586
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    OMG SO EDGY!

  12. #12587
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    So, a legislator proposes a bill to allow teachers to strike without being fired and gun nuts go after him because they think this somehow leads to gun confiscation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rike-bill-guns

    Virginia’s only socialist state legislator said he has been the target of multiple death threats over a bill that pro-gun activists misinterpreted as a potential threat to their rights.

    The legislation introduced by Lee Carter, a 32-year-old Bernie Sanders-endorsed socialist, would allow public school teachers to strike without being fired, and has in fact nothing to do with guns. But some gun rights activists wrongly interpreted it as an attempt to fire law enforcement officials who might refuse to comply with gun control laws introduced by Virginia’s new Democratic legislative majority.

    The result, Carter said, has been a torrent of threats and abuse on social media, from promises to vote him out of office, to claims that “this is tyranny and you know what we do to tyrants,” to explicit threats of murder, like, “I’m going to make sure you don’t live through this legislative session” or “I’m going to kill this guy, y’all make sure you don’t forget my name.”

    [...]

    Carter, who was re-elected to Virginia’s general assembly this November, said that the legislation that had led to death threats against him had originally been introduced last year. It was designed to repeal current Virginia law, which bars all public employees from striking, a policy that has been on the books since at least the 1950s, he said.

    Public school teachers in other states have used strikes “to successfully raise the alarm about the conditions that they are teaching kids in”, Carter said. As a supporter of workers’ rights, he said, he wanted to make it possible for Virginia’s teachers to strike without being fired.

    His original bill did not even get a hearing last year, he said, in part because his fellow lawmakers were concerned about the possibility of strikes by police officers undermining public safety. So he re-wrote the bill language, allowing all public employees except law enforcement officials to strike without penalty, and re-introduced it for the 2020 legislative session.

    But when some gun rights activists read the bill, they claimed it meant something entirely different. Carter’s bill to allow teacher strikes was written into a broader narrative “that spread like wildfire within the conspiracy-minded parts of the rightwing internet”, he said, claiming that the state’s Democratic governor was working to confiscate Virginians’ guns, and that his new legislation was designed “to fire cops who don’t confiscate guns”.

    That conspiracy theory relied upon a basic misreading of the bill text, which in fact kept longtime Virginia law intact for law enforcement officers, and created a new exemption for other public employees.

    While a gun rights YouTube channel had appeared to be central to spreading the misreading of his bill to a wide audience, Carter said that some of the misinformation about his bill appeared to be fueled by police unions, and even by a fellow Republican state lawmaker – all people, he said, who should be able to accurately read legislation.

    A longtime gun owner and marine veteran himself, Carter said he has never introduced any legislation related to guns, and that he considers himself a moderate when it comes to gun laws – supportive of universal background checks, for instance, but skeptical of an assault weapons ban.
    [...]

  13. #12588
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I swear to god, these people are looking for any excuse to shoot someone in the name of DEFENSE OF OUR RIGHTS!

    We need a revolution, people! Any revolution will do, even if we have to make one up ourselves!

  14. #12589
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    This quote--

    "The Green New Deal would crush our farms, destroy our wonderful cows. They want to kill our cows. You know why, right? You know why? Don’t say it. They want to kill our cows. That means you’re next."

    —Donald J Trump, during a rally last (Jan 30) night at Drake University, Des Moines, IA

  15. #12590
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    So does this mean Trump fanatics are gonna become vegans now?

  16. #12591
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Meanwhile farm bankruptcies are at an 8-year high, largely attributable to Trump's tradewar with China.

  17. #12592
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The senate has voted against additional witnesses. Trump's acquittal is now all but guaranteed.

  18. #12593
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Wait, what do you mean by additional witnesses? Did I miss something during the hearings?

  19. #12594
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Additional witnesses, as in any witnesses scheduled to be called after the House hearings.

  20. #12595
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night

  21. #12596
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Re: additional witnesses. Like Bolton whose book already says he was directly ordered by Trump to commit the alleged crime they're improbably denying. And Bolton outright refused to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    Meanwhile farm bankruptcies are at an 8-year high, largely attributable to Trump's tradewar with China.
    Yes, this is the quote someone needs to give to them followed up with the old finger jab and "And you're next!" :trollface:

  22. #12597
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The Trump fanatics are saying that Bolton was another anti-Trumper, and should be thrown in prison for treason against the president.

    Guy was a scum sucking piece of warmongering shit, but he was THEIR scum sucking piece of warmongering shit. They loved him. Fox News regularly had him as a guest speaker for their talking head segments. One scandal, and a Two Minute Hate later, and now we're finding out they've never really trusted Bolton, and always thought he was kinda suspiciously progressive.

    This is really starting to feel like we're living through one of those moments you read about in the history books, the ones where all the kids raise their hands, and ask teacher why all these people did this very obviously stupid thing, knowing full well that it would lead to a bunch of horrible shit that wouldn't actually benefit them.

    "Well, people were different back then, Little Jimmy..."

  23. #12598
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    This quote by a GOP Senator, Cramer (R-ND), on the vote to deny new witnesses--

    I’m not saying there wasn’t a quid pro quo, but I don’t think they made a compelling case that they could prove it was a quid pro quo. Um, you know, we can argue whether or not John Bolton would have secured that conviction or not, but you still have the same outcome which is part of the formula we all have to consider whether we want to extend this or not.
    Lol, how would you translate that? The outcome is the same whether they prove the alleged crime convincingly or not (as if anyone could be in serious doubt by now), so why extend the madness and give us any more reasons to feel any shame for this fiasco? Just rip the bandaid off and let us despoil the republic in peace.

  24. #12599
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Comeon, guys. He Made America Great Again. Do we really want to punish our great president for doing, you know, crimes? That won't get us reelected!

    The most maddening thing about it is that they're not hiding their corruption anymore, we're all seeing it play out live and in real time right in front of us, yet the polls haven't moved an inch. How do we expect our congressmen to behave when we the voting public aren't willing to hold them responsible for their actions?

    Trump could very easily win in 2020. If the Republicans manage to hold the Senate, what do you think that's gonna be like? Trump has carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wants, 250+ years of constitutional standards be damned. No one's going to tell Trump no. And why should they? We didn't punish the Republicans for their actions. What do they have to lose?

    Maybe this needs to happen. Maybe moreso than our elected officials, it's we the people who need to suffer the consequences. It's our government. We ultimately decide what is or isn't kosher. If we decide to elect Trump again, then let us reap the whirlwind.

  25. #12600
    BANNED
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I swear to god, these people are looking for any excuse to shoot someone in the name of DEFENSE OF OUR RIGHTS!

    We need a revolution, people! Any revolution will do, even if we have to make one up ourselves!
    works for me. it's hard to have a "revolution" after guns have been confiscated.

    right NOW I see trump winning by a landslide.

    no independent is stupid enough to vote for more taxes & GND scam.
    (Meme removed)
    Last edited by jkcerda; 31st Jan 2020 at 23:19.

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