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    26 18.06%
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    51 35.42%
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    50 34.72%
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    4 2.78%
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    13 9.03%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #13151
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post

    I don't think Obama is a very good example in that regard. He was a one of a kind superstar and there's nobody like that in the arena now.
    Obama never was a "long shot outsider". He had some significant billionaire backing long before the general public knew about him:

    https://socialistworker.org/2013/05/...te-billionaire

    f she has avoided much public scrutiny prior to her nomination to be commerce secretary, she should be appreciative that Chicago is Rahm Emanuel's town now. The combative mayor has functioned as the central public face of an aggressive neoliberal project. In an Emanuel-less city, Pritzker would be an ideal villain among the local 1 percent--a kind of long-lost Koch sister in a red blazer and a blue state.

    President Obama addresses a press conference with Commerce Secretary nominee Penny Pritzker
    President Obama addresses a press conference with Commerce Secretary nominee Penny Pritzker
    To call Pritzker the One Percenter's One Percenter wouldn't be a description of character, but a mathematical reality. Her estimated net wealth of $1.85 billion makes her not only one of the richest people in Illinois, but one of the wealthiest people on the globe (number 825 this year, according to Forbes magazine).

    The Chicago Tribune, always reliable in its boosterism for the local elite, wasted no time in praising the nomination. "She should be confirmed," the Tribune's May 3 editorial announced. "Pritzker has the potential to be a transformative commerce secretary."

    .....
    Like many in the urban business class, Pritzker's political allegiances have been primarily to the Democratic Party. In 2008, her most prestigious role was Obama's campaign fundraising chair. In 2012, she was national co-chair of Obama's re-election campaign. She has also served as one of his campaign "bundlers"--well-connected individuals who tap their networks for large contributions--collecting more than half a million dollars for his runs in 2008 and 2012.

    Now, the president gets to return the favor.

    And his first job out of college was at a known CIA front company.

  2. #13152
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Hey guys, Tony visits the Socialist Worker. As liberal progressive types, we should believe everything he says now.

    Anyway, back to lament over the state of the real world.

    [url=https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-tuesday-michael-bloomberg-says-130033578.html]Michael Bloomberg has said he will eat at a Chinese restaurant in the coming days to show solidarity with businesses who have been hit by public fears about coronavirus.[/quote]

    He is Democrat Donald Trump.
    Last edited by Renzatic; 3rd Mar 2020 at 23:56.

  3. #13153
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Is Biden far enough ahead that we can congratulate Trump on his second term, or what.

  4. #13154
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    He's now ahead of Sanders in the projections, but only just.

  5. #13155
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Trump won over Republican voters, and the Republican voters picked Trump to run. That's how democracy is supposed to work. They went on to win the Presidency and both branches of Congress in 2016, and now the Republican party is more unified than I can remember, or at least since the early Reagan administration. So I'd say it worked out well for them.
    Not so sure all Republicans are happy. The "let's stick it to the libs" voters are happy. But I'm sure lots of other Republicans are not. For Republican politicians, Trump is probably way too unpredictable. The only value Trumps seems important is loyality (like a mobster boss). You can't run a country long-term on only loyalty. Also, the methods of Trump are sometimes borderline criminal. Or even beyond that. E.g. systematically calling all MSM "Lügenpresse" is straight out of the playbook of the 1930's Nazis. I'm sure there are Republicans that don't like that.

    If there's only two viable slots on the ballot, the nominating process for both parties has to be democratic, otherwise we're a bunch of hypocrites. If the parties are effectively controlled by their "establishment" (a euphemism for party bosses), and they have the power to vet candidates, then we have no more democracy than Iran or Russia.
    More parties would be nice. The US government can split companies with too much power (like they did with AT&T). Maybe they should split the Republicans and Democrats in a bunch of parties. Like split each party into 5 smaller parties.
    Oh, wait.

    There was no shortage of good candidates this time. About 30 different people got into the race, and there was a field of 20 who made the first couple of debates.
    I can't say much about this, because I don't follow US politics very closely. But as an outsider, the only names I heard were: Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg. Too bad the other 27 didn't make it further than week 3.

    Also, remember that Obama started the 2008 race as a long shot outsider from the left that nobody thought could win the Presidency. Hillary was the establishment favorite, and they had a bitter battle that lasted all the way through the last contest. They ended up tied nearly 50/50 and the nomination was decided by the super delegates. So like I was saying to Starker above, tough primary fights don't seem to hurt your chances in the general election.
    That is my point. Why can't the Democrats have more outsiders like Obama was ? I think such outsiders have a much higher ceiling than old-school politicians. Because old-school politicians carry all this luggage. They might have a negative image with certain groups of voters. Etc. If I can come up with this, experienced politicians (like the Democrat establishment) should be able to think of that too. Why have it so that your most serious candidates are all 75+ years old seniles. Or bbillionaires (it's supposed to be a party for the working class, right ?). I just don't understand how a party can be that amateuristic. (Not that the Republicans seem more professional. They thought Jeb Bush was their best candidate to become president).

  6. #13156
    BANNED
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    looks like the DNC is about to screw Sanders again

    (Meme removed)

  7. #13157
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    And Bloomberg just bailed.
    He supports Biden.
    Unless Sanders pulls a stunt, Biden will be the democratic candidate.

    Congratulations Trump, on another 4 years of being the ultimate Capo di tutti capi.

  8. #13158
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    There’s still a lot of time for a disaster to happen before Nov; a war, financial crisis, Covid-19, whatever. But barring a disaster, I think Trump has this in the bag. Biden is the weakest opponent he could realistically hope for. The cynic in me thinks he tricked Democrats into supporting the person he wanted to run against using a bit of reverse psychology.

    I really don’t understand Democratic voters and their attraction to duds.

  9. #13159
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    There’s still a lot of time for a disaster to happen before Nov; a war, financial crisis, Covid-19, whatever. But barring a disaster, I think Trump has this in the bag. Biden is the weakest opponent he could realistically hope for. The cynic in me thinks he tricked Democrats into supporting the person he wanted to run against using a bit of reverse psychology.

    I really don’t understand Democratic voters and their attraction to duds.
    well they have no choice in the matter.

    anyways, just what democrats want .

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-g...040500149.html
    In Seattle, bracing for the coronavirus also means preparing for what could be a devastating economic impact. Business owners and residents have already seen a drop-off in tourists in areas of the city that heavily depend on foot traffic.

    "It's like a ghost town," Francisco said about the famous Pike Place Market where she has her shop.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/confirmed...020009251.html
    The latest coronavirus death rate is 3.4% — higher than earlier figures. Older patients face the highest risk.

  10. #13160
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    There’s still a lot of time for a disaster to happen before Nov; a war, financial crisis, Covid-19, whatever. But barring a disaster, I think Trump has this in the bag. Biden is the weakest opponent he could realistically hope for. The cynic in me thinks he tricked Democrats into supporting the person he wanted to run against using a bit of reverse psychology.

    I really don’t understand Democratic voters and their attraction to duds.
    You think Lord Dampnut is so clever he would blatantly abuse his office and try to hide the evidence / obstruct justice just for a bit of reverse psychology in case it comes out?

    Personally, I think it's the other way around -- it's Bernie who's going to have the toughest time beating Lord Dampnut and Biden will have an easier time. And it's not just because the polls favour Biden either -- rather it's the way every Republican is drooling for Bernie that makes me think they have something big in store.

  11. #13161
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    Biden would indeed be the best one suited against Trump with independents, Bernie has no chance outside of the fringe left.
    that said Biden is toast.

  12. #13162
    https://finance.yahoo.com/video/hill...014836263.html

    Hillary Clinton will ‘jump in’ if there’s a brokered convention: Former NYSE chairman

  13. #13163
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    That probably doesn't mean what you think it means, Tony.

  14. #13164
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    I was half joking about the reverse psychology bit. But I would not put it past Republican strategists to conduct a little psy ops.

    Barring a disaster, which is entirely possible, it will be an uphill battle for any of the Democratic candidates to beat Trump. But out of the group of them who made it to the first primary, I think Biden is the weakest. It’s going to take a miracle for him to win.

    But at least Bloomberg stepped aside, thankfully. For a little bit there, I thought he might realize the campaign finance reformers worst nightmare.

  15. #13165
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Washington DC
    At the very least he's going to have absolutely no enthusiasm among younger voters. From his condescending attitude towards the economic struggles of millennials/gen z to his characterization of game developers as 'little creeps', I've never seen a candidate so perfectly represent the out-of-touch boomer stereotype.

    But hey, a platform of 'not Trump' worked so well last time, might as well give it another go.

  16. #13166
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Why is Biden the weakest candidate? He has significant support from suburban and black voters, both enormously important in the swing states -- the only states that matter. Bernie, however, would have a very tough time in places like Florida (where the voters are as old as dirt, if not older). Seems to me Bernie's path to victory is much narrower than Biden's.

    Also, Biden's character contrasts much more with Lord Dampnut's and you bet that their showdown will not be a discussion of policy proposals. With Bernie we already have had a little taste of the playbook -- fearmongering of socialism and Bernie coming to take away your health care to replace it with crappy government health care and raising your taxes while at it. And it will only get worse from there. On the other hand, with Biden there's just a vague conspiracy theory that beautifully segues into why Lord Dampnut was impeached.
    Last edited by Starker; 4th Mar 2020 at 22:28.

  17. #13167
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    For Biden, the "leaked Burisma emails" are going to undoubtedly show the direct participation of Biden in shutting down the corruption investigation in the Ukraine against his son's company. The beauty of that is, most Russian agitprop is easy to spot because Russians tend to botch English articles (a, the) and plurals, but in this case the emails are going to be "written" in Ukraine or by people already writing in bad English.

    Exit polls are saying Biden was picked as the safer candidate more likely to beat Trump over Sanders, which is anyway an easy sentiment to understand (whether one is sympathetic or not) and more credible than literally rigging things against Sanders.

    People are agitating and want some kind of uproar, so my feeling is you're going to get people up in arms one way or another no matter what happens. There will be a conspiracy ready-made to run with.

  18. #13168
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Why should anyone think "excited young voters" would enable Sanders to beat Trump in the general election if they're not enough to win the Democratic primary? The latter should be a smaller hill to climb.

    I'm not convinced the specifics of the Republican attack vectors matter much. It's hard to imagine something more nothing-burger than the e-mail and Benghazi scandals they made so much hay out of last time. They'll attack Biden over this, Sanders over that. They'd attack a turnip for secretly being a fruit.

  19. #13169
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Hmm...

    https://www.newsweek.com/voter-turno...ng-out-1490595

    Former Vice President Joe Biden's successful night in the Super Tuesday Democratic primaries was helped by high voter turnout, which exceeded 2016 levels in every age group except for young people.

    Turnout was higher overall in every state except for Oklahoma, but the percentage of voters who were 17 to 29 years old was lower than in 2016. Senator Bernie Sanders does particularly well with younger voters, and the lack of turnout for the group likely contributed to his underwhelming results. Conversely, younger voters are the group who favor Biden the least.

    In some states narrowly won by Biden, youth turnout decreased from when Sanders faced former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton four years earlier, according to exit polls. Young voters made up 20 percent of the electorate in Texas in 2016, but only 15 percent in 2020. In Massachusetts, the group dropped from 19 percent to 16 percent.

    The Sanders campaign was said to be developing a plan to encourage college students to vote despite possibly being on spring break when the next batch of six states have their say on March 10. The senator also acknowledged that the underwhelming youth turnout had not helped him on Super Tuesday.

    "Have we been as successful as I would hope in bringing young people in? And the answer is no, we're making some progress," said Sanders at a press conference Wednesday.

    "But historically everybody knows that young people do not vote in the kind of numbers that older people vote in," Sanders added. "I think that will change in the general election. But to be honest with you, we have not done as well in bringing young people into the political process. It is not easy."
    [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    They'll attack Biden over this, Sanders over that. They'd attack a turnip for secretly being a fruit.
    Oh, I'm sure they will, but which one will fire up the crowds more and stoke more hatred? With Clinton they reaped the benefits of the GOP trying to destroy her for 30 odd years. Compared to her, Biden projects an image of a goofy lovable grandpa. Of course, I might be quite wrong in this, but it seems to me Biden is much more immune to the sorts of attacks that would cast him as an evil mass murderer or a pedophile satanist or whatever they come up with. With Bernie, they'll compare him to Stalin and whatnot and demand he apologise for the crimes of communism.
    Last edited by Starker; 5th Mar 2020 at 06:08.

  20. #13170
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Elizabeth Warren is apparently planning to drop out: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/u...drops-out.html

    Only three candidates left in the race now. Don't get me wrong, I like Warren, but I can't see it as anything else but a good thing for the Democrats. Her candidacy would accomplish little else but hurt one of the frontrunners when she could be supporting them instead, and a long drawn out fight will only serve to exhaust the eventual nominee.

  21. #13171
    BANNED
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    ALL she did was steal votes from Bernie, Pete dropped out and he was well ahead of her. .

  22. #13172
    Milwaukee in july:




    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    At the very least he's going to have absolutely no enthusiasm among younger voters. From his condescending attitude towards the economic struggles of millennials/gen z to his characterization of game developers as 'little creeps', I've never seen a candidate so perfectly represent the out-of-touch boomer stereotype.

    But hey, a platform of 'not Trump' worked so well last time, might as well give it another go.


    For a moment, try mentally inhabiting the brain of a Democrat Political Strategist:

    "Last time we actually won because Hillary won the popular vote! This time we've got some states that have flipped blue because of immigration and birth rate demographics that favor us. We also have a candidate who is more likeable than Hillary and our friends at Google have the algorithms locked down to prevent fake news " (e.g. any news damaging to Democrat establishment candidates whether true or not) " from being seen by swing voters. And now that Trump has been in office four years now everyone KNOWS how terrible he actually is and he's incredibly unpopular!!! We're SURE to win!"


    For Biden, the "leaked Burisma emails" are going to undoubtedly show the direct participation of Biden in shutting down the corruption investigation in the Ukraine against his son's company. The beauty of that is, most Russian agitprop is easy to spot because Russians tend to botch English articles (a, the) and plurals, but in this case the emails are going to be "written" in Ukraine or by people already writing in bad English.
    There are no such emails. Joe and Hunter Biden were using Teneo Blackberries that operate on the JWICS network, which means that they're virtually impossible to hack and there's no open IPv6 communications out there to leak.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 5th Mar 2020 at 12:09.

  23. #13173
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    if Mike was not able to buy the nomination with 1/2 a billion dollars HOW did the Russians manage it for 150k?

  24. #13174
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    The Russians spent millions on their disinformation campaign back in 2016. Plus, their not running for a campaign. What they're doing is more like spreading rumors among people already predisposed to believe it, who then go around, and repeat them to all their friends on social media. Their job isn't to win followers, but to poke a bunch of angry badgers with a stick.

    They're big among the antivaxxer crowd, hardcore Trump fans, and the Bernie Bros. Hell, TennGOP, which was heavily quoted in my neck of the woods, had something like 4000 followers linking stuff to them to post on the local news sites on Facebook.

  25. #13175
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Easy...

    1. The race was incredibly close -- at the end it came down to razor thin margins in a few key states.
    2. They spent way more than 150k. And the GRU doesn't work pro bono either and likely they had other operations going as well. The troll factory is just peanuts compared to the things the Russian government doesn't do out in the open.
    3. There are quite a few unanswered questions that haven't been made public and we won't learn any time soon, though US intelligence agencies probably know the answers to a lot of them from the mole they had in Putin's inner circle. For example, why did Lord Dampnut's campaign suddenly refocus all of their efforts on voter suppression in some swing states? Did it have something to do with Cambridge Analytica or the data Russians stole from the DNC server?

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