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View Poll Results: How long will Trump be President?

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  • 1 Term (4 Years)

    28 18.79%
  • 2 Terms (8 Years)

    54 36.24%
  • 1st Term Impeachment/Assassination

    50 33.56%
  • 2nd Term Impeachment/Assassination

    4 2.68%
  • I don't know what's going on!

    13 8.72%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #13926
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    I think it is. If you just say "Trump bad", then all his supporters (and maybe more) are not gonna listen to you. One thing Trump (and the Republicans, even the ones earlier) do, is say: "look at those folks. they are bad. therefor they are the enemy". They don't want their voters to listen to anything the Democrats say. They don't want their voters to trust any Democrat. They want to cultivate constant conflict. Just like "the commies are coming" or "the terrorist are coming". I was always wondering who would be next. It turns out it is: "watch out, the democrats are coming".

    If you want to fight the Republicans, you can not do the same thing. You need to stay correct and focused. Have a true discussion. Point out the details. Or else you're gonna be just like them.
    A year ago I would have agreed. But now that's I've seen how the base of the Republican party responded to impeachment and COVID-19, I'm convinced there's 35-40% of the population who are too far gone to be reachable for at least the next few election cycles. It doesn't matter how mature, well reasoned, and compelling your argument is. No matter what you say, once they figure out that you're not on their side, all they hear is "orange man bad". They're past the point of listening to expertise, science, history, or logic. And past the point of wanting to have discussions and debates about what's best for the country, which are necessary in a functioning democracy. They have shown they don't really care about democratic principles or ethics and the only use they have for public institutions is to further their interests. They have their own media, their own experts, and live in their own information space which is nearly impossible to penetrate.

    This election is not going to be decided by who has the best ideas and direction for the country or who can win debates. The polls don't matter. It's down to who can get voters to actually turn out in the middle of a pandemic, and that's where Republicans have an advantage.

  2. #13927
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Sadly I think it is also down to whether the GOP can suppress enough votes to question the results.

  3. #13928
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    This could go in the corona virus thread, but the punchline is really about the corruption of this administration. The US has the most covid19 cases in the world by far right now because the first states that got hit were democratic-leaning states, prompting them to commit to a state-by-state response approach. Search your heart; you know it's true.

    The White House response coordinator that was feeding them overly optimistic models carries a lot of blame too though. But that's what happens when you create a environment where people that say things the president doesn't want to hear get quickly booted out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanity Fair, "How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan 'Went Poof Into Thin Air' "
    But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

    Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

    Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

    That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.
    Last edited by demagogue; 31st Jul 2020 at 19:23.

  4. #13929
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    The art of the deal:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...llion-n1235252

    WASHINGTON — Throughout the coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump has repeatedly touted his administration's supply of ventilators, a critical tool for treating patients with life-threatening respiratory symptoms.

    But internal emails and documents obtained by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee suggest that the Trump administration failed to enforce an existing contract with a major medical manufacturer, delayed negotiations for more than a month and subsequently overpaid as much as $500 million for tens of thousands of the devices — a costly error at a time when officials from some of the biggest states were warning of shortages.
    [...]
    All the fascist pageantry aside, you'd think that just the sheer incompetence and mismanagement and corruption alone would be a deal-breaker. It's clear that the guy doesn't know how to govern, doesn't even want to govern, and in fact does not care much about anything other than what he can get out of it. He doesn't give a rat's ass about people dying on his watch or the economic hardships they suffer. If anything, he probably thinks it's their fault and wholly deserved for making him look bad.

    The way I see it, the choice for US citizens is clear -- do you want four more years of whatever this has been, but this time on steroids and completely unhinged?

  5. #13930
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror

  6. #13931
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    This could go in the corona virus thread, but the punchline is really about the corruption of this administration.
    I only now got around to reading the article, but holy crap is this dark. Getting people killed through ineptitude is already bad, but killing people because they thought it would benefit them politically is just... wow...

  7. #13932
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Welcome to the twilight of America, yo.

  8. #13933
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...sult-in-voting

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Calling the situation a “total disaster,” Donald J. Trump warned on Sunday that the use of mail-in ballots could result in voting.

    Appearing on Fox News, Trump said that there were “all kinds of studies” showing a “direct link” between mail-in ballots and votes cast.

    “Wherever you’ve had mail-in ballots, there have been widespread cases of voting,” he said. “We’re not going to let that happen.”
    [...]
    Note: this is satire and not a real thing Lord Dampnut said (publicly). At this time of writing.

  9. #13934
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Hey everybody, it's DISTRACTION TIME!!!

    Donny's mad and he's gona' get even with TikTok!!!

    "As far as TikTok is concerned, we're banning them from the United States," Trump said to reporters while aboard Air Force One.

    Trump said he could use emergency economic powers or an executive order. It was not immediately clear what such an order would look like and what legal challenges it might face.

    "Well, I have that authority," he said.
    Cybersecurity experts have said TikTok's potential risk to national security is largely theoretical and that there is no evidence to suggest that TikTok's user data has been compromised by Chinese intelligence.
    Last edited by Nicker; 3rd Aug 2020 at 03:29.

  10. #13935
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    One parodist gets under his skin and he wants to ban an entire platform.

  11. #13936
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Well, he has that authority.............

    I was thinking the humiliation they delivered with over subscribing his Tulsa rally but Sarah probably left some road rash too.

  12. #13937
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, she's adorable and the one where Lord Dampnut brags about passing his dementia test is just gold.

  13. #13938
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    The facial expressions alone are priceless:



    Oh, and this is a real interview, btw. This is not an impersonator or an actor doing a parody skit.
    Last edited by Starker; 4th Aug 2020 at 23:44.

  14. #13939
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Is there a highlights? Listening to its voice is nauseating.

    Maybe I'll wait for Sarah Cooper's version.



    Never mind. I'll do it myself!!




    EDIT: Even in pill form, it's still nauseating.

  15. #13940
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    This is amazing.


  16. #13941
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Perfect.

    Honestly, I kinda hope that there is a hell and I kinda hope that this is what Donald Trump's hell will look like. That. Forever.

  17. #13942
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Oh, god no.

  18. #13943
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    FUCK

    President Donald Trump arrived in New Jersey on Thursday evening to begin a three-day vacation at his Bedminster golf course.

    Reporters shouted questions about the stalled stimulus negotiations, but AP White House correspondent Jonathan Lemire reports that Trump ignored the question.

    The Republican-controlled U.S. Senate adjourned on Thursday, allowing members a three-day weekend.

    Thursday was also the 20th week in a row when the federal government has reported that more than one million Americans signed up for unemployment benefits.

  19. #13944
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    This whole thing where they deliberately don't negotiate, don't compromise, and let things fall apart and attempt to blame Democrats - they've tried it over and over and it never seems to work. Are they so resigned to losing the 2020 elections that they just don't care how bad it gets? Indeed, do they see it as better to let things go further down the drain so as to make it harder for Democrats to pull the country out of the hole they're digging, so as to win the 2022 midterms?

    ...Why not? Basically worked in 2010.

  20. #13945
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Yes, but the Democrats in Congress are playing hardball on this because they believe if they don't reach a deal, they can use it as an election issue. It's similar to the strategy they play with government shutdowns. They also know that if the economy takes another nosedive before the election because there's no more fiscal stimulus, that helps their campaign.

    I think the number one sticking point is federal bailouts to help close state budget shortfalls in states like New York and California. That's a poison pill for the Republicans. And on that particular issue, I'm with the Republicans. The Fed should be helping states and local governments by buying shed loads of municipal bonds at near-zero rates, rather than buying shed loads of corporate bonds at near-zero rates to prop up the stock market. The fiscal stimulus should be directed to individuals, small businesses and other entities who need help but are two small to get it through the financial system.

  21. #13946
    I think the number one sticking point is federal bailouts to help close state budget shortfalls in states like New York and California. That's a poison pill for the Republicans. And on that particular issue, I'm with the Republicans. The Fed should be helping states and local governments by buying shed loads of municipal bonds at near-zero rates, rather than buying shed loads of corporate bonds at near-zero rates to prop up the stock market. The fiscal stimulus should be directed to individuals, small businesses and other entities who need help but are two small to get it through the financial system.
    ECB has been doing that and it hasn't helped. Mario Draghi flat out admitted last year that the ECB is trapped and is forced to buy government securities due to lack of other bidders.]

    the broader trend for the stock market will be up regardless of which party wins but for different reasons. Most likely a Biden win will result in a collapse of confidence in public securities and a flight to private investments. Additionally the push in the EU to cancel currency and move to perpetual bonds will drive capital out of the EU and into the US share market. Keep in mind we're dealing with both a monetary crisis and a debt crisis, the latter of which has been dramatically accelerated by the shut downs.

  22. #13947
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Yes, but the Democrats in Congress are playing hardball on this...
    No they aren't. They're doing their usual technique of pre-rolling over. The House passed a $3.4t bill in mid-May, which was completely ignored by the Senate until last week. The Republican Senators couldn't even compromise with each other to come up with anything so the White House pulled out a $1t proposal and briefly sat down to negotiate. The Democrats met them more than halfway at $2t and the White House walked out and Trump wrote some executive orders of dubious legality and even more dubious efficacy.

    This is the old "eff everything up and attempt to blame the Democrats even though we're all so stubborn we can't even compromise with ourselves" playbook, straight up.

  23. #13948
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    There's a lengthy article over at Rolling Stone about the seeming decline of the US. A few snippets:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...davis-1038206/

    [...]
    In a dark season of pestilence, COVID has reduced to tatters the illusion of American exceptionalism. At the height of the crisis, with more than 2,000 dying each day, Americans found themselves members of a failed state, ruled by a dysfunctional and incompetent government largely responsible for death rates that added a tragic coda to America’s claim to supremacy in the world.

    For the first time, the international community felt compelled to send disaster relief to Washington. For more than two centuries, reported the Irish Times, “the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the U.S. until now: pity.” As American doctors and nurses eagerly awaited emergency airlifts of basic supplies from China, the hinge of history opened to the Asian century.

    [...]

    COVID-19 didn’t lay America low; it simply revealed what had long been forsaken. As the crisis unfolded, with another American dying every minute of every day, a country that once turned out fighter planes by the hour could not manage to produce the paper masks or cotton swabs essential for tracking the disease. The nation that defeated smallpox and polio, and led the world for generations in medical innovation and discovery, was reduced to a laughing stock as a buffoon of a president advocated the use of household disinfectants as a treatment for a disease that intellectually he could not begin to understand.

    As a number of countries moved expeditiously to contain the virus, the United States stumbled along in denial, as if willfully blind. With less than four percent of the global population, the U.S. soon accounted for more than a fifth of COVID deaths. The percentage of American victims of the disease who died was six times the global average. Achieving the world’s highest rate of morbidity and mortality provoked not shame, but only further lies, scapegoating, and boasts of miracle cures as dubious as the claims of a carnival barker, a grifter on the make.

    [...]

    The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone. All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care. What every prosperous and successful democracy deems to be fundamental rights — universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed — America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.

    [...]

    Over the last months, a quip has circulated on the internet suggesting that to live in Canada today is like owning an apartment above a meth lab. Canada is no perfect place, but it has handled the COVID crisis well, notably in British Columbia, where I live. Vancouver is just three hours by road north of Seattle, where the U.S. outbreak began. Half of Vancouver’s population is Asian, and typically dozens of flights arrive each day from China and East Asia. Logically, it should have been hit very hard, but the health care system performed exceedingly well. Throughout the crisis, testing rates across Canada have been consistently five times that of the U.S. On a per capita basis, Canada has suffered half the morbidity and mortality. For every person who has died in British Columbia, 44 have perished in Massachusetts, a state with a comparable population that has reported more COVID cases than all of Canada. As of July 30th, even as rates of COVID infection and death soared across much of the United States, with 59,629 new cases reported on that day alone, hospitals in British Columbia registered a total of just five COVID patients.
    [...]

  24. #13949
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Lord Dampnut explains the 1918 flu pandemic:

    https://twitter.com/KailiJoy/status/1292959753581277188

    "The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people. Probably ended the second World War — all the soldiers were sick."

  25. #13950
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2003
    Location: Darmstadt, Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Lord Dampnut explains the 1918 flu pandemic:

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