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    28 18.79%
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    54 36.24%
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    50 33.56%
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    4 2.68%
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    13 8.72%

Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dump! ✮✮✮

  1. #14076
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Scumbags Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman are up to their pointless self-defeating stunts again:
    That whole crew are Clinton operatives.

    1) Assange mentions the death of Seth Rich
    2) Legitimate online research finds that he was hospitalized by a DNC union run hospital and the surgeon who operated on him was a friend of Podesta
    3) "Jack Burkman" comes out of nowhere and launches an inflammatory "Seth Rich investigation" that is immediately picked up by "The Daily Beast" ( news organization where Chelsea Clinton works... )

    This is just a "guilt by association" operation to smear everyone who doesn't trust the DNC controlled coverage of this topic.

  2. #14077
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Ginsberg died. Is Trump gonna appoint a new judge before November ? I bet he's gonna try. I hope the Democrats can block it. I think this issue is worth it to start a civil war over.

  3. #14078
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    If replacing Justice Ginsberg before the election doesn't inspire a march on Washington, nothing will.
    Last edited by Nicker; 18th Sep 2020 at 23:15.

  4. #14079
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Don't forget there's a big ol' lame duck period. The same Republicans (e.g. McConnell) who decided that Garland shouldn't even get a hearing since he was nominated in February(?) of an election year are going to be perfectly happy pushing their candidate through after losing an election but before the results post. The only real chance is that maybe there are enough (four) Republicans to buck the trend.

  5. #14080
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Oh, McConnell has already vowed to do whatever it takes to make it happen: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...place-ginsburg

  6. #14081
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    If McConnell's move comes as a surprise to anyone, they obviously haven't been paying enough attention.

  7. #14082
    Trump is what it is, but I really hope for the sake of what's left of the US that McConnell is voted out this year. This dude is just impossible.

  8. #14083
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    The good news is: Antonin Scalia has been dead for four and a half years !

    I already knew that. Of course. But reading it again is enough to make my day.

  9. #14084
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by raph View Post
    Trump is what it is, but I really hope for the sake of what's left of the US that McConnell is voted out this year. This dude is just impossible.
    Fat chance. Kentucky is as red as it gets and McConnell is filthy rich. Republicans losing Senate majority on the other hand...

  10. #14085

  11. #14086
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Just on the politics of the Supreme Court pick... If you've been fortunate enough to get to follow conservative rhetoric about Trump from your social media feed or you're just a glutton for punishment and like to read up on it, you'll see quite a few conservatives, especially the evangelical Christian flavor, say they'll hold their nose to vote Trump just so they get good SC picks, since that's playing the long-game.

    You can see the problem already. Dems of course want to push the selection to after the election so (knock on wood) Biden gets the pick. But that's going to also be exactly the thing that's pushing the most wavering part of Trump's base back into the Trump camp.

    The other thing is that it's just going to set up a very polarized debate which is going to galvanize both sides, but probably the conservatives more, because nothing makes them go more apeshit than misunderstanding what the Supreme Court does 99% of the time (it's not nearly as clearly "polarized" as people think it is, only a relatively minor number of cases, and even then it's not on the legal issues that they think it is) and thinking that this one pick is going to be the difference between the US being a country of God or of Satan.

    So anyway, generally I think the natural logic of the supreme court pick plot arc is going to play in Trump's favor politically.

    But of course it plays to the Dems side as well. Well, it should have for Clinton's base in 2016 too (there was also a supreme court pick riding over that line), but the difference now is that the voters of 2020 remember the shock of losing in 2016, so should be galvanized in a special way, even for the same dynamic as 2016.

  12. #14087
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, I've noticed conservatives in the US tend to display a special brand of judicial fetishism for whatever reason. Do they think the courts are somehow going to relitigate the culture war they lost or something?

    One thing to consider regarding the election, though, is that evangelicals never left Lord Dampnut and have been his staunchest and most fervent supporters throughout. They are not just his base, they are the base of his base. And there are only so many of them. Also, from what I've heard from the political gurus, there are not all that many people left undecided. The vast majority of people seem to have already made up their mind and barring something catastrophic (or maybe not even then) they are not going to budge.

    That said, it is a game of very small numbers and this was probably the best possible thing that could have happened to Lord Dampnut's campaign (aside from not having wasted close to a billion dollars and running out of money before the finish line).

    Anyway, it looks like Biden still leads among women, minorities, college-educated men, and former officials of this administration:


  13. #14088
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Just throwing the Trump ball back in from the sidelines.

    A video of choice Trump lies under oath with regards to the fraud committed with Trump University. This was sealed to prevent it from coming to light during the 2016 election.


  14. #14089
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    My right wing contacts are all sharing this story. I guess this is how it happens, in plain view, just as Trump "predicted" it would happen, no questions asked.

    Who knows how many 100,000s of people will be galvanized to toss aside the legal bounds of democracy over nine misplaced ballots from BFE USA that were recovered anyway? I'm sure 90%+ of them never read the story, just the headline. The system worked, the ballots recovered, and they're still crying bloody murder, ready to do anything it takes to ignore the vote and keep Trump in power.

    Military Ballots Found in the Trash in Pennsylvania—All Were Trump Votes1

    Mail-in ballots from the military serving overseas were found in the trash in Pennsylvania. The ballots were discovered during an investigation into election issues in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. They were all votes for President Trump.

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office Middle District of Pennsylvania released a statement on the situation on Thursday:

    On Monday, September 21, 2020, at the request of Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis, the Office of the United States Attorney along with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Scranton Resident Office, began an inquiry into reports of potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections.

    Since Monday, FBI personnel working together with the Pennsylvania State Police have conducted numerous interviews and recovered and reviewed certain physical evidence. Election officials in Luzerne County have been cooperative. At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. Investigators have recovered nine ballots at this time. Some of those ballots can be attributed to specific voters and some cannot. All nine ballots were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump.

    While nine ballots have been recovered, it is not clear how many were actually discarded.
    Edit: It's even worse than I thought. That should be my go-to reflex at this point.

    AP News: Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel

    As one commentator summarized it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Horton
    This might be the best demonstration so far of how cynical and hypocritical the entire GOP-Fox outrage machine is. Let's unpack this story a bit. (1) The Pennsylvania GOP sues and wins, in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, a ruling that "naked ballots" (ballots in which an insufficient number of envelopes are used) cannot be counted. (2) Implementing this ruling, authorities in Luzern Co (who for good measure are all Republicans) discard nine ballots which were "naked." (3) GOP activists fish these ballots out and create an immense scandal over the ballots which were thrown out by Republicans and not counted because of the GOP lawsuit. How's that for faux outrage?
    And from the article itself:

    Quote Originally Posted by AP News
    The news release from a U.S. attorney in Pennsylvania was provocative: Nine mailed-in military ballots had been “discarded” by the local election office in a swing county of one of the most important presidential battleground states.

    All of them were marked for President Donald Trump, it said. Then came another news release with key details changed — the presidential choice was unknown on two of the ballots because they had been resealed — but still little explanation of what had happened and whether investigators believed a criminal act had occurred.

    Despite the information vacuum, the White House press secretary told reporters “ballots for the president” had been “cast aside.” The Trump campaign’s rapid response arm pushed out the release from Trump’s own Justice Department under the headline “Democrats are trying to steal the election” — ignoring the fact that the local government, Luzerne County, is controlled by Republicans. Conservative voices used the news release as rocket fuel to amplify the investigation on social media.

    Thursday’s kerfuffle and accompanying internet outrage over a handful of ballots is likely a taste of what’s to come in the month left before the presidential election, which is being held amid a global pandemic that has triggered a wave of absentee ballot requests as Trump continues to launch unsubstantiated attacks on mail voting.

    It was Trump, after being briefed on the case by Attorney General William Barr, who first revealed publicly that the discarded ballots had been cast for him. He did so in an interview earlier Thursday with Fox News Radio in which he used the investigation to further sow doubt about mail-in voting. The radio interview was hours before the U.S. attorney’s office in Pennsylvania issued its news release about the probe to reporters.

    “If past is prologue, we will see more,” said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert and director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice. “We are in an unprecedented situation where a sitting president of the United States and a candidate for reelection is and has long been actively seeking to undermine the election and discredit it.” [...]
    Last edited by demagogue; 28th Sep 2020 at 02:42.

  15. #14090
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the COVID:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-421957

    The health department is moving quickly on a highly unusual advertising campaign to "defeat despair" about the coronavirus, a $300 million-plus effort that was shaped by a political appointee close to President Donald Trump and executed in part by close allies of the official, using taxpayer funds.

    The ad blitz, described in some budget documents as the "Covid-19 immediate surge public advertising and awareness campaign," is expected to lean heavily on video interviews between administration officials and celebrities, who will discuss aspects of the coronavirus outbreak and address the Trump administration's response to the crisis, according to six individuals with knowledge of the campaign who described its workings to POLITICO.

    Senior administration officials have already recorded interviews with celebrities like actor Dennis Quaid and singer CeCe Winans, and the Health and Human Services Department also has pursued television host Dr. Mehmet Oz and musician Garth Brooks for roles in the campaign.

    The public awareness campaign, which HHS is seeking to start airing before Election Day on Nov. 3, was largely conceived and organized by Michael Caputo, the health department's top spokesperson who took medical leave last week and announced on Thursday that he had been diagnosed with cancer. Caputo, who has no medical or scientific background, claimed in a Facebook video on Sept. 13 that the campaign was "demanded of me by the president of the United States. Personally."

    "The Democrats — and, by the way, their conjugal media and the leftist scientists that are working for the government — are dead set against it," Caputo told his Facebook followers in the Sept. 13 video. "They cannot afford for us to have any good news before November because they're already losing. … They're going to come after me because I'm going to be putting $250 million worth of ads on the air."
    [...]

  16. #14091
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Death and Taxes. Donny Small Hands gets tax-outed by the NYT.

    Washington (CNN)Donald Trump paid no federal income taxes whatsoever in 10 out of 15 years beginning in 2000 because he reported losing significantly more than he made, according to an explosive report released Sunday by the New York Times.

    In both the year he won the presidency and his first year in the White House, Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes, the Times reported.
    Detailing payments gleaned from more than two decades of tax information, the Times report outlines extensive financial losses and years of tax avoidance that deal a blow to the business-tycoon brand Trump has built his political career on.

    At a White House briefing Sunday, Trump denied the New York Times story and claimed that he pays "a lot" in federal income taxes.

  17. #14092
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    At a White House briefing Sunday, Trump denied the New York Times story and claimed that he pays "a lot" in federal income taxes.
    Well, there's an easy way to prove the NYT wrong.

  18. #14093
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I'm surprised no one has posted anything about this until now. Though it hasn't done anything to show us what we haven't already known since the 80's, that he's all image, no substance.

  19. #14094
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Well, three major scandals before noon is just your average Monday now. Best save your energy for the case he wins (or, more likely, loses and refuses to concede) and you'll have 4 more years of the fun, except this time with the things the administration has refrained from doing that they thought were unpalatable to even their own potential voters.

    Just a couple of excerpts from the lengthy Atlantic piece linked above that laid out all kinds of possibilities for Lord Dampnut to stay in office when he loses:

    [...]
    Trump’s behavior and declared intent leave no room to suppose that he will accept the public’s verdict if the vote is going against him. He lies prodigiously—to manipulate events, to secure advantage, to dodge accountability, and to ward off injury to his pride. An election produces the perfect distillate of all those motives.

    Pathology may exert the strongest influence on Trump’s choices during the Interregnum. Well-supported arguments, some of them in this magazine, have made the case that Trump fits the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy and narcissism. Either disorder, by its medical definition, would render him all but incapable of accepting defeat.

    [...]

    Just under a year ago, Justin Clark gave a closed-door talk in Wisconsin to a select audience of Republican lawyers. He thought he was speaking privately, but someone had brought a recording device. He had a lot to say about Election Day operations, or “EDO.”

    At the time, Clark was a senior lieutenant with Trump’s re*election campaign; in July, he was promoted to deputy campaign manager. “Wisconsin’s the state that is going to tip this one way or the other … So it makes EDO really, really, really important,” he said. He put the mission bluntly: “Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes … [Democrats’] voters are all in one part of the state, so let’s start playing offense a little bit. And that’s what you’re going to see in 2020. That’s what’s going to be markedly different. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program, and we’re going to need all the help we can get.” (Clark later claimed that his remarks had been misconstrued, but his explanation made no sense in context.)

    Of all the favorable signs for Trump’s Election Day operations, Clark explained, “first and foremost is the consent decree’s gone.” He was referring to a court order forbidding Republican operatives from using any of a long list of voter-purging and intimidation techniques. The expiration of that order was a “huge, huge, huge, huge deal,” Clark said.

    His audience of lawyers knew what he meant. The 2020 presidential election will be the first in 40 years to take place without a federal judge requiring the Republican National Committee to seek approval in advance for any “ballot security” operations at the polls. In 2018, a federal judge allowed the consent decree to expire, ruling that the plaintiffs had no proof of recent violations by Republicans. The consent decree, by this logic, was not needed, because it worked.

    The order had its origins in the New Jersey gubernatorial election of 1981. According to the district court’s opinion in Democratic National Committee v. Republican National Committee, the RNC allegedly tried to intimidate voters by hiring off-duty law-enforcement officers as members of a “National Ballot Security Task Force,” some of them armed and carrying two-way radios. According to the plaintiffs, they stopped and questioned voters in minority neighborhoods, blocked voters from entering the polls, forcibly restrained poll workers, challenged people’s eligibility to vote, warned of criminal charges for casting an illegal ballot, and generally did their best to frighten voters away from the polls. The power of these methods relied on well-founded fears among people of color about contact with police.

    This year, with a judge no longer watching, the Republicans are recruiting 50,000 volunteers in 15 contested states to monitor polling places and challenge voters they deem suspicious-looking. Trump called in to Fox News on August 20 to tell Sean Hannity, “We’re going to have sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have, hopefully, U.S. attorneys” to keep close watch on the polls. For the first time in decades, according to Clark, Republicans are free to combat voter fraud in “places that are run by Democrats.”
    [...]
    Last edited by Starker; 28th Sep 2020 at 23:24.

  20. #14095
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    I think you all know this, but evidence that he paid almost no taxes is not what Trump was worried about. That's actually the part he was most proud of, and he gloated about it in the 2016 debates, something like: yeah, paying almost no taxes shows why I'm smart and people that pay them are dumb.

    The reason I think he didn't want the tax returns released, I think, is because they show how much money he's been losing and how deeply in debt he is. That's also something everybody already knew anyway, but you have to start getting into cluster b personality thinking and see why it's so catastrophic for Trump's ego because it hints at a "loss" (or anything hinting at being anything short of the richest man or greatest president in US history), not coming from the "fake" NYTimes but written down authoritatively in black letters. That flirts with the total collapse of his ego, if he's confronted with it, in a special way. So that's why I think he went so ballistic about it.

    But that's not what anybody else really cares about. So we get this weird situation where people are paying obsessive attention to these tax returns as if they're some kind of "bombshell". Of course for neurotypical people there's nothing particularly special about them, except as a brief footnote about something Trump is actually very proud of (that he paid so little taxes). And strategically speaking, it only helps boost his case to pretend their something special. (All my Trumper contacts are already recycling the meme that all they show is how smart he is to avoid taxes.) And the part about his loss is something that was old news already in the 1990s, so people thinking neurotypically just aren't going to get it.

    I think generally it's a good lesson to how cluster b moon logic (defense of a snowflake-fragile ego at all costs, scorch the earth before a single sentence of it stands in black ink) works so much differently than neurotpyical logic, which is something I think most people still haven't come to terms with in understanding what makes Trump tick. But most of all, it just dramatizes what a different planet Trump is living on, and why it's so absurd to take him at his own level. Well, it also helps explain the concept of "fleas", where people get so lost in his moon logic that they start thinking in moon logic terms themselves. Well, so it goes.
    Last edited by demagogue; 28th Sep 2020 at 23:41.

  21. #14096
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    All my Trumper contacts are already recycling the meme that all they show is how smart he is to avoid taxes.
    You have a better breed of Trump-pets. Mine have gone all-in on the notion that he "actually" paid $5.2m in 2016-2017, and anybody who doesn't realize that is uninformed with poor reading comprehension. (He paid $5.2m in quarterly estimated taxes in those two years, but the actual tax bill was a total of $750, meaning the $5.2m can be applied as a tax credit or simply refunded. Quarterly estimated taxes are basically the business equivalent of paycheck tax withholding.)

  22. #14097
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    So, apparently, Lord Dampnut's previous campaign Death Star manager has been involuntarily committed:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...o-harm-himself

    Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Brad Parscale has been hospitalised after he threatened to harm himself, according to Florida police and campaign officials.

    Police were called to the home in Desota Drive in the Seven Isles community of Fort Lauderdale late on Sunday afternoon. The home is owned by Bradley and Candice Parscale.

    “When officers arrived on scene, they made contact with the reportee (wife of armed subject) who advised her husband was armed, had access to multiple firearms inside the residence and was threatening to harm himself,” Fort Lauderdale police said in a statement.

    [...]

    A police report on Monday noted that officers were called by a woman reporting that Parscale had been heard “ranting and raving about something” before a gunshot was fired.

    Candice Parscale told police that she ran from the house because she was alarmed by her husband’s behavior, local TV station WPLG reported.

    According to the report, Parscale began to barricade himself inside the home, hanging up on callers, the police report said, adding that he later spoke to police negotiators.

    “I initiated a double leg take down,” wrote Sgt Matthew Moceri, a responding officer, noting that the 6ft 8in Parscale towered over him and would not get on the ground.

    When officers initially arrived, Candice Parscale said the couple had argued and Brad pulled out a handgun and loaded it.

    She said he had post-traumatic stress disorder and had recently become violent, showing police bruises on her arms from an argument two days prior. Police photographed the injuries, they said, and the Miami Herald reported.

  23. #14098
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    There's something more. It turns out a quarter of the expenses of Trump companies are "fees for consultancies". They are mostly unspecified. We don't know what services where delivered, and who he paid those large amount of money to.

    It turns out he paid $747,622 to Ivanka for (external) consultancy regarding two projects she was also involved in as a Trump employee. The link was made by comparing the exact sums of money in and out. Something very shady going on. These tax numbers might open a whole can of worm with bribes, money laundering, illegaly shoveling money to his kids, etc.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/p...ves/index.html

  24. #14099
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    These tax numbers might open a whole can of worm with bribes, money laundering, illegaly shoveling money to his kids, etc.
    I'm no tax expert, but from what I've seen, and the things I've read, there are a lot of things that are suspicious, some things that could be construed as outright terrible and illegal with further evidence supporting it, but so far, the only thing we can all say with 100% assurance is that he's cash poor, a terrible manager, prone to nepotism and backscratching, personally half a billion in debt, and is guilty of some basic, sloppy attempts at tax avoision.

    ...though it could be said that he managed to avoid paying any federal taxes for oh so many years simply because he kept losing his shirt year and year after year, which isn't QUITE so bad.

    The biggest question surrounding his tax records is who he owes all that money to. I imagine this will be a talking point regularly brought up over the next few weeks.

  25. #14100
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    A CBS News instant poll shows 48% of viewers thought Biden won, and 41% think Mr. Trump won. Another 10% thought the debate was a tie.
    Wow. Were people watching the same thing I was? How on earth is it that close?



    That's a rhetorical question. We know why it was that close; but for the sake of some sliver of hope for the future and the expectation of basic human decency, it's important to act confused anyway.
    Last edited by demagogue; 30th Sep 2020 at 00:28.

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