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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dumped! ✮✮✮

  1. #16376
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    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Related: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-qa...ting-from-kids

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    How US citizens can believe this stellar crap?
    It's not really unbelievable that people would fall for that shit. It's just blood libel watered down for soccer moms. There are Muslim countries that still teach The Protocols as historical fact, and some crazy toothbrush moustachioe'd dude once convinced an entire nation that Jews/socialists/homosexuals were harvesting their children's blood.

  2. #16377
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    It's not really unbelievable that people would fall for that shit. It's just blood libel watered down for soccer moms. There are Muslim countries that still teach The Protocols as historical fact, and some crazy toothbrush moustachioe'd dude once convinced an entire nation that Jews/socialists/homosexuals were harvesting their children's blood.
    Yeah, not that surprising but just unfortunate. This is Satanic Panic Mk #XXX.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic
    The Satanic panic is a moral panic consisting of over 12,000 unsubstantiated cases of Satanic ritual abuse (SRA, sometimes known as ritual abuse, ritualistic abuse, organized abuse, or sadistic ritual abuse) starting in the United States in the 1980s, spreading throughout many parts of the world by the late 1990s, and persisting today.
    ...
    Scholarly interest in the topic slowly built, eventually resulting in the conclusion that the phenomenon was a moral panic, which, as one researcher put it in 2017, "involved hundreds of accusations that devil-worshipping paedophiles were operating America's white middle-class suburban daycare centers."

    Of the more than 12,000 documented accusations nationwide, investigating police were not able to substantiate any allegations of organized cult abuse.
    In 1983, charges were laid in the McMartin preschool trial, a major case in California, which received attention throughout the United States and contained allegations of satanic ritual abuse. The case caused tremendous polarization in how to interpret the available evidence. Shortly afterward, more than 100 preschools across the country became the object of similar sensationalist allegations, which were eagerly and uncritically reported by the press.
    So the mainstream media wants little to do with accusations of satanic cults now, because they got their credibility burned big time by going along with it in the 1980s. Many of those people who reported gleefully about the satanic panic are still around in the industry.

    This is the really evil part:

    Kee MacFarlane, a social worker employed by the Children's Institute International, developed a new way to interrogate children with anatomically correct dolls and used them in an effort to assist disclosures of abuse with the McMartin children. After asking the children to point to the places on the dolls where they had allegedly been touched and asking leading questions, MacFarlane diagnosed sexual abuse in virtually all the McMartin children. She coerced disclosures by using lengthy interviews that rewarded discussions of abuse and punished denials. The trial testimony that resulted from such methods was often contradictory and vague on all details except for the assertion that the abuse had occurred.
    I didn't expect the spanish inquisition.

    ~~~

    Finally, to put current years in context:

    In 1984 MacFarlane warned a congressional committee that children were being forced to engage in scatological behavior and watch bizarre rituals in which animals were being slaughtered.[40] Shortly after, the United States Congress doubled its budget for child-protection programs. Psychiatrist Roland Summit delivered conferences in the wake of the McMartin trial and depicted the phenomenon as a conspiracy that involved anyone skeptical of the phenomenon.[41] By 1986, social worker Carol Darling argued to a grand jury that the conspiracy reached the government.[41] Her husband Brad Darling gave conference presentations about a Satanic conspiracy of great antiquity which he now believed was permeating American communities.[22]

    In 1985, Patricia Pulling joined forces with psychiatrist Thomas Radecki, director of the National Coalition on Television Violence, to create B.A.D.D. (Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons). Pulling and B.A.D.D. saw role-playing games generally and Dungeons & Dragons specifically as Satanic cult recruitment tools, inducing youth to suicide, murder, and Satanic ritual abuse.[42] Other alleged recruitment tools included heavy metal music, educators, child care centers, and television.[42] This information was shared at policing and public awareness seminars on crime and the occult, sometimes by active police officers.[42] None of these allegations held up in analysis or in court. In fact, analysis of youth suicide over the period in question found that RPG players actually had a much lower rate of suicide than the average.

    By the late 1980s, therapists or patients who believed someone had suffered from SRA could suggest solutions that included Christian psychotherapy, exorcism, and support groups whose members self-identified as "anti-Satanic warriors."[43] Federal funding was increased for research on child abuse, with large portions of the funding allocated for research on child sexual abuse. Funding was also provided for conferences supporting the idea of SRA, adding a veneer of respectability to the idea as well as offering an opportunity for prosecutors to exchange advice on how to best secure convictions—with tactics including destruction of notes, refusing to tape interviews with children, and destroying or refusing to share evidence with the defense.
    Seriously, the QAnon stuff is alarming, but it's not as alarming as this shit that was going on in the 1980s. Imagine if we had a congressional committee to investigate the QAnon claims from an uncritical pro-QAnon point of view, and the police were arresting people based on QAnon memes.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 21st Sep 2021 at 13:46.

  3. #16378
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Wow, just watched HBO's Q: Into the Storm and now I know what one of the QDrops *specifically* was about. Spoiler: Q is almost 100% certainly Ron Watkins, though he wasn't the original Q, but hijacked the account after luring it to switch to 8chan. The doco is more about the timeline and behind the scenes stuff rather than detailing the conspiracy theories and fans. So if you want a beliefs deep-dive then this isn't the doco for that.

    So the main story behind the drop is that Fred Brennan, the creator of 8chan was trying to get them (the Watkins, current owners of 8chan) taken down, then the Watkins launched legal action against Brennan (who is heavily disabled) which would have landed him in prison, and it was agreed he'd most likely have died in a Philippines prison due to his severe disabilities. However, Brennan was tipped off about the pending charges by his lawyer and managed to escape the country with mere minutes to spare before the arrest warrant was issued.

    The real giveaway was that right after the arrest warrant dropped, while Brennan was still in the air, a new Drop posted: "#3782 to be blunt, GAME OVER". Previously both Ron Watkins and Brennan had referred to their sparring as a "game", so it's almost certain at that point that Q was Ron Watkins. Yeah so they thought they'd "Assanged" Frederick Brennan but he escaped by the skin of his teeth.

    It's the benefit of hindsight but I'm enjoying now watching some Q videos where they interpret the "Drop #3782 to be blunt, GAME OVER" post. Which, was almost certainly just personal gloating from the current 8chan admin about having fucked over the previous 8chan admin.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 22nd Sep 2021 at 04:12.

  4. #16379
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    https://www.salon.com/2021/09/23/mic...ccine_partner/

    Michael Flynn, the former National Security Adviser to the Trump administration who has embraced the QAnon conspiracy theory and advocated the violent military overthrow of the United States, has a new conspiracy theory: the Deep State is going to vaccinate your salad dressing.

    Flynn, who was fired, prosecuted, and ultimately pardoned over his lies to the FBI in the Russia investigation, brought up the idea on a far-right internet show on Wednesday.

    "Somebody sent me a thing this morning where they're talking about putting the vaccine in salad dressing," said Flynn. "Have you seen this? I mean it's — and I'm thinking to myself, this is the Bizarro World, right? This is definitely the Bizarro World ... these people are seriously thinking about how to impose their will on us in our society, and it has to stop."
    TYT pointed out a big flaw in this theory: if you were trying to surprise-vaccinate Trumpists, putting the vaccine in salads seems an unlikely target.

  5. #16380
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    How people can be so easely fooled? Vaccine in salad.....with the some snake oil, right?

  6. #16381
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    Registered: May 2004
    I was going to suggest hamburgers as the more likely target, but then I remembered Democrats have supposedly banned those. Hard to keep up with the right-wing extended conspiracy universe.

  7. #16382
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Fear th' Ketchupp!

  8. #16383
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I'd be on the lookout for brand new microwave "Motherfuckin' PATRIOT burgers" appearing in supermarkets.

  9. #16384
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    It's a Democrat plan to kill Republicans by telling them the vaccine is in salads, thereby preventing Republicans from eating salads, whereupon they die from heart disease. Foolproof!

  10. #16385
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    I'd be on the lookout for brand new microwave "Motherfuckin' PATRIOT burgers" appearing in supermarkets.
    "Now with the legal maximum of salt, fat and cholesterol"

  11. #16386
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    "Warning: not suitable for commies, queers, or atheists"

  12. #16387
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Republicans in Congress have turned to literally memes. As in they're downloading shitty low-effort memes and printing them out REALLY BIG and display them in Congress instead of having a point to make. They're just pointing at the memes and saying that's the proof.

    So the entire point is that it's a photo stunt to go viral on social media. Unlike the low-energy Democrats who use their fancy talky-words and *don't* have colorful cartoon cut-outs to go with them. And of course they'll get more media exposure doing it so continue to do it. Republicans in Congress seem like they're going to end up just synonymous with people who download memes and do "reaction videos" to the memes to get attention.

    9 minute video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9hNeZYYh0&t=439s
    Last edited by Cipheron; 24th Sep 2021 at 16:42.

  13. #16388
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post
    Republicans in Congress have turned to literally memes. As in they're downloading shitty low-effort memes and printing them out REALLY BIG and display them in Congress instead of having a point to make. They're just pointing at the memes and saying that's the proof.

    So the entire point is that it's a photo stunt to go viral on social media. Unlikely the low-energy Democrats who use their fancy talky-words and *don't* have colorful cartoon cut-outs to go with them. And of course they'll get more media exposure doing it so continue to do it. Republicans in Congress seem like they're going to end up just synonymous with people who download memes and do "reaction videos" to the memes to get attention.

    9 minute video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9hNeZYYh0&t=439s
    The really incredibile thing is this behaviour is the same in EVERY western country.
    What a cultural shipwreck.

  14. #16389
    verbose douchebag
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    It bears similarity, but it's not the same.The US is operating at a magnitude way beyond everywhere else.

  15. #16390
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    To the surprise of absolutely no one.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/u...ump-biden.html

  16. #16391
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    To the surprise of absolutely no one.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/u...ump-biden.html
    Yeah I was just reading about that in the news here. In fact, the latest audit slightly *increased* Biden's lead ;D This audit was already questionable for pulling out all the stops to prove fraud, being non-transparent and using several scientifically questionable methodologies. So they were hand picked to pull literally every trick in the book to make it look like fraud happened ... but still found diddly squat.

    However, Trump is merely claiming that the fact the recount *happened* backs him up. He and his supporters are entirely immune to the actual contents of the audit. So, the audit happened, that's the proof now, and if you actually dig into the audit yourself you're "fake news". This is how it works.

    When we say they're operating at surface level reality it really is exactly that: Laura Loomer's "historically accurate" book is based on "real life headlines", Marjorie Taylor Greene presents "real" memes in Congress and Trump promotes an audit to merely claim vindication when it's published regardless of what the audit finds.

    EDIT:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...dit/ar-AAOMRqo

    Republican-run Maricopa county is now saying the audit is flawed, therefore you should discredit it. What's their evidence however? Basically all the stuff the audit did to rig things IN FAVOR of the Republicans.

    It also hit at Cyber Ninjas for allowing “Stop the Steal” advocates to volunteer in the auditing process, as well as welcoming “at least one candidate who appeared on the 2020 General Election ballot to be part of the ballot review process.”
    However I suspect this is the local Republican leaders trying to save their own skin since if there is a "steal" they'd be personally implicated in it. So it's lead to the odd situation of Republicans saying you just can't trust an audit that came out pro-Biden because the people doing the audit were too pro-Trump.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 24th Sep 2021 at 19:53.

  17. #16392
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    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    The entire thing should have ended when the Trump supporter who voted for Trump twice and was appointed by Trump to oversee the 2020 election said it was the most secure and accurate election ever.

  18. #16393
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    The entire thing should have ended when the Trump supporter who voted for Trump twice and was appointed by Trump to oversee the 2020 election said it was the most secure and accurate election ever.
    Voting twice is doubling down on democracy, he's the true patriot.

  19. #16394
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post
    Voting twice is doubling down on democracy, he's the true patriot.

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  21. #16396
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Apparently the Ninja report was leaked at 10:30 PM, Thursday. At 11 PM (a half hour later) T***p, having missed the leaked documents which showed him losing, praised the Cyber Ninjas for delivering victory, in a statement through his Save America PAC.

    CNN New Day anchor John Berman said Friday that the results of a so-called “election audit” of the 2020 vote in Arizona—a partisan effort carried out by a group called the “Cyber Ninjas”—found that “not only did Donald Trump lose Arizona, he lost by more votes than previously realized. In other words, they found he was an even bigger loser than the first time around.”

    The former president appeared to be expecting quite the opposite, releasing a statement Thursday night saying “everybody will be watching Arizona tomorrow to see what the highly respected auditors and Arizona State Senate found out regarding the so-called Election!”

  22. #16397
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    Apparently the Ninja report was leaked at 10:30 PM, Thursday. At 11 PM (a half hour later) T***p, having missed the leaked documents which showed him losing, praised the Cyber Ninjas for delivering victory, in a statement through his Save America PAC.
    Trump saying something that's contradicted by other sources isn't an "oops" it's *deliberate*. It's propaganda. So, it's wrong to see this as Trump just getting something wrong so he has egg on his face. That isn't what's happening.

    Here's my theory: Trump *planned* to put out a contradictory statement claiming the report validated his beliefs BEFORE the real report dropped, so that his version of events would percolate through his supporter's social media before the real report did. I'm willing to bet that Trump's team has scienced the exact amount of time before a real announcement to put out your contradictory fake announcement to sow the maximum chaos and have your narrative "over-write" the real story.

    But then, the CNN leak happened, so the Trump propaganda was fast-tracked to retake the initiative. Hence, why Trump's team ended up posting his contradictory information a mere 30 minutes after the leak. I think the validation for this theory would be if Trump's team puts out more social media messaging right before the actual report that misrepresents what's in it.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 25th Sep 2021 at 00:11.

  23. #16398
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    The neocon war hawk Robert Kagan penned an interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post the other day. I snipped out just the beginning, but really, I think it's worth reading in its full length.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tional-crisis/

    Opinion: Our constitutional crisis is already here
    Robert Kagan

    “Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation.”
    — James Madison

    The United States is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the Civil War, with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. The warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. But about these things there should be no doubt:

    First, Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. The hope and expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. He enjoys mammoth leads in the polls; he is building a massive campaign war chest; and at this moment the Democratic ticket looks vulnerable. Barring health problems, he is running.

    Second, Trump and his Republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. Trump’s charges of fraud in the 2020 election are now primarily aimed at establishing the predicate to challenge future election results that do not go his way. Some Republican candidates have already begun preparing to declare fraud in 2022, just as Larry Elder tried meekly to do in the California recall contest.

    Meanwhile, the amateurish “stop the steal” efforts of 2020 have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that Trump and his supporters will have the control over state and local election officials that they lacked in 2020. Those recalcitrant Republican state officials who effectively saved the country from calamity by refusing to falsely declare fraud or to “find” more votes for Trump are being systematically removed or hounded from office. Republican legislatures are giving themselves greater control over the election certification process. As of this spring, Republicans have proposed or passed measures in at least 16 states that would shift certain election authorities from the purview of the governor, secretary of state or other executive-branch officers to the legislature. An Arizona bill flatly states that the legislature may “revoke the secretary of state’s issuance or certification of a presidential elector’s certificate of election” by a simple majority vote. Some state legislatures seek to impose criminal penalties on local election officials alleged to have committed “technical infractions,” including obstructing the view of poll watchers.

    The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. Partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. Would governors call out the National Guard? Would President Biden nationalize the Guard and place it under his control, invoke the Insurrection Act, and send troops into Pennsylvania or Texas or Wisconsin to quell violent protests? Deploying federal power in the states would be decried as tyranny. Biden would find himself where other presidents have been — where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded — navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn’t have.

    [...]

  24. #16399
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    EDIT: fun stuff, recent:

    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/09/2...-imeach-biden/

    Lauren Boebert’s ‘Imeach Biden’ campaign backfires due to a missing ‘p’

    Republican politician Lauren Boebert, who attempted to make a big splash on Friday, Sept. 24, by introducing articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, was mocked on Twitter for her ‘Imeach Biden’ campaign.

    Not only did the congresswoman’s motion not find many supporters, but internet users were quick to blast her for missing a ‘p’ while spelling ‘impeach.’
    ...
    'Sending out a mass email with the words “IMEACH BIDEN” is what happens when you go to Qollege, instead of college'
    ...
    Toby Morton, a writer for the comedy series South Park, has apparently bought the website imeachbiden.com, and it redirects users to another site highlighting the politician’s beliefs in far-right conspiracy theories.


    Also, not expecting anyone to watch this but man, that perseverance:
    A History Teacher Reacts to PragerU Videos for 7 Hours Straight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MRw-r8avNQ


    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    The neocon war hawk Robert Kagan penned an interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post the other day. I snipped out just the beginning, but really, I think it's worth reading in its full length.
    Truly terrifying. If only the Republicans could contain the coming civil war as an intra-party thing then it would be a sideshow *get the popcorn* moment, but that's like sitting on the sidelines watching the Nazis on the Night Of The Long Knives and feeling any schadenfreude from it.

    However, this kind of blatant power grab that's going on at the state level is all or nothing thing: it's a gamble that either catapults one to power or brings the empire crashing down. The thing is, things like gerrymandering and other election-fixing things which are legal have been a slow thing that has been entrenched across *decades*, and is closely tied to the power of economic capital'. Political ideology on the right-wing party is supposed to serve capital. If it no longer serves capital, but is about raw political power and ideology in itself, that's how it becomes regular fascism.

    What was propaganda originally becomes ingrained beliefs by the following generation of politicians, if the original ruling elite are toppled from power. My guess is that it's the collapse of the Bush administration which is responsible for this, primarily. That gutted the economic conservative wing of the party, leaving a void there, and with only the right-wing Christian wing still surviving on. So it was only a matter of time before someone worked out how to mobilize that wing for their own goals, and now they're knifing in the back the last remnants of the old style party elite. However the issue here is that it's the old 'establishment' Republicans who built up the political capital in the states over decades to have this much national control.

    So you've got what is effectively the American Taliban now coming in and taking over these systems that they barely understand how they work and implementing their own more draconian stuff just tacked on top of the systems. So they're going to outright lie and cheat and rig the following elections, because they actually believe that's how it's done and that it's possible to get away with it and not get caught, because they insanely think *that's how things work*. When it clearly doesn't work like that.

    EDIT: let me make a prediction here. It's clear the biggest barrier to this is an independent judiciary. Any sort of radical takeover requires an attack on the independence of the different pillars of government (executive, press and civil service: already targeted). So, I'd see that as a major battlefront if they're trying to subvert various institutions through the main avenue they have left, which is state legislatures. What's the news on that?
    Last edited by Cipheron; 26th Sep 2021 at 01:19.

  25. #16400
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    True 'murican 'atriots don't use "p"

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