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Thread: ✮✮✮ !Trump Dumped! ✮✮✮

  1. #16426
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    "shocktroopers" taking the state nexus is really SS-like :v

  2. #16427
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    "shocktroopers" taking the state nexus is really SS-like :v
    The SS is probably the best comparison there.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey...ots-poisoning/

    A Maryland man charged in the deaths of his brother, sister-in-law and another woman may have killed his brother, a pharmacist, because the brother was administering COVID-19 vaccines, charging documents show, according to CBS Washington, D.C. affiliate WUSA-TV.

    Jeffrey Burnham, 46, of Cumberland, "wanted to confront" his brother "with the government poisoning people with COVID vaccines," one document reads, adding, "He repeatedly stated, 'Brian knows something!'"

  3. #16428
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    Registered: Jul 2010
    https://spectator.org/john-durham-an...ring-dnc-hack/

    Bill Binney will be vindicated.

    Justin Henry ( Crowdstrike CEO ) relented regarding the certainty of the DNC hack but also revealed that
    Perkins Coie "prevented Crowdstrike from divulging all their forensics to the FBI".

    Would the DNC do this to limit their legal risks regarding negligence in info security?

    Hardly.

    Why hide data protection issues from the FBI (etc) when they are already "admitted to" in the leaked messages?

    Ask yourself this:

    "How hard would it be to frame an unpopular figure like Trump if there were no contradicting evidence?"

    Do you honestly believe he would have escaped impeachment conviction if his legal team didn't have convincing proof that the "DNC hack" was "not a hack"?

    Perkins Coie knows... Perkins Coie knows...


  4. #16429
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2020
    He's an idiot

    Overview:

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/...-Russian-links

    > The document, rewritten for propaganda effect, was published three weeks later and claimed to be the work of a new fake personality called Forensicator, which claimed that stolen DNC documents were copied to a computer located in the eastern US. If correct, it was devastating news for US intelligence – because it cleared the Russians.

    > Some former intelligence officials, from a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), backed up the claim. A group, including William Binney, a former technical director at the US National Security Agency (NSA), and former CIA officer Ray McGovern, were persuaded, without checking the file data, to say that the hacking was the work of insiders.

    So, the Forensicator report is the basis of what Binney wrote, and others say that Binney is an idiot who didn't even *look* at the data.

    the response is that they're bad-mouthing Binney, Binney's a genius right?

    However, the Forensicator account itself called Binney an idiot who can't properly assess the evidence as soon as Binney said something Forensicator didn't agree with:

    https://theforensicator.wordpress.co...l-coincidence/

    >> Binney agreed: “It’s clear Guccifer 2 is messing with the data. Everything Guccifer 2 says is suspect and needs to be proven by other sources/means. I agree there is no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done.”

    > We respect Binney and the VIPS for all they have done to demonstrate inconsistencies in the Russian hacking narrative and we support their call to have all unanswered questions thoroughly investigated. Here, however, we think that Binney accepted Campbell’s “tampering” theory too quickly.

    So Binney bought into the Forensicator "report", but other people said Binney was gullible and didn't properly assess the information. However, when pressed, Binney admitted there's no evidence - only to be called gullible *by Forensicator*.

    It's kind of obvious that Binney is being played here - they played into his biases and preoccupations, to put him as the unwitting pawn in their propaganda. He hasn't done even surface-level fact checking at any point in this debacle, they just want his name attached.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 14th Oct 2021 at 15:41.

  5. #16430
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    Registered: Jun 2002
    Location: melon labneh
    As a non-American, I wonder how relevant that kind of development is to the greater picture anyway. Political parties are conspiratorial in nature and every single of them is built on lies and omission, the DNC doesn't seem immune to that -- I'm willing to bet there was shady dealings to block Bernie Sanders, for example.

    That doesn't change a thing to the mountain of actual proof that Trump and his cronies are some of the worse people to be put in charge of a country, lying and manipulating at an unprecedented rate and bringing the image of American society as a role model for human progress from a state of steady decline to a state of absolute farce in the span of just a few years.

    I'm truly perplexed by the fact that (genuine) Trump and Q supporters alike are seemingly waiting for a single thread to unravel the web of lies that obscures some sort of dark universal truth going on with Democrats, They Live-style.

  6. #16431
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Briareos H View Post
    Political parties are conspiratorial in nature and every single of them is built on lies and omission,
    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  7. #16432
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by Briareos H View Post
    I'm truly perplexed by the fact that (genuine) Trump and Q supporters alike are seemingly waiting for a single thread to unravel the web of lies that obscures some sort of dark universal truth going on with Democrats, They Live-style.
    The whole Q narrative relies on the enemy being absolute masters of manipulation: they can disappear 800,000 American children a year without leaving a trace, no mass graves, nothing. Google "800,000 children per year abducted cabal" for the articles. The total US birthrate is 3.2 million children per year, so 800,000 per year is a quarter of the entire population. So if this is true then 1/4 of all children you went to school with should be being abducted by The Cabal by graduation. And they apparently do this all the time without alerting or involving the police or military.

    Yet at the same time they're the Democrats, who we are also aware are comically incompetent at organizing anything or keeping a secret.

    Also, they somehow vanish 1 in 4 of the entire population without drawing any attention yet somehow they can't organize an incident such as a car accident for someone like Alex Jones? The very fact that someone like Alex is still walking and talking is the proof that the Alex Jones conspiracies aren't in fact true.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 14th Oct 2021 at 16:14.

  8. #16433
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Unless they are also building an incompetence defense into their mega conspiracy. Or they want to implicate Jones...

    And when I say, they, I mean They.

  9. #16434
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    An individual non-binary person?

  10. #16435
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2020
    ... as an aside for the "800,000" since I like breaking down the stats, and I want to compare the numbers to a similar moral panic from the other side.

    The stats confuse sufferers of something for deaths, so they lead to huge statistical issues. If it's "deaths per year" then you have to calculate that as a percentage of the people born *per year*, while if it's "sufferers" then you have to calculate that as a percentage of the total number of people.

    800000 "abducted" children is 25% of the ~3.2 million births per year, meaning most families of 3 kids would have at least 1 child abducted for the adrenochrome farms. However, the real stat was "missing child reports" and the vast majority of those were actually alive and well. With 75 million children, 800000 means about a 1% chance per year of any child being reported missing - almost all of whom come home fine. The actual chance of a stranger abduction is actually about 1 in a million, not the 1 in 4 you get from the QAnon version.

    A similar thing happened in the 1980s with another "factoid" which stated that 150000 girls *die* from anorexia per year: it was actually an estimate that 150000 girls *suffer* from anorexia in any year, but got misquoted and passed along by credulous individuals. Now, 150000 would be about 10% of the total number of girls born per year, so that statement would be equivalent to saying that each girl has a 10% chance of *dying* from anorexia by the time they mature. In reality, it was a guesstimate of the number of sufferers, so it's out of the total number of girls, not those born per year, and 150000 works out at about 0.5% of all girls. So the actual estimate means that about 1 in 200 girls are *anorexia sufferers*, which is a bit more in line with reality.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 14th Oct 2021 at 19:51.

  11. #16436
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    An individual non-binary person?
    That would be Them!

  12. #16437
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    The real problem of the USA market economy-driven society and in general "meritocracy" promises (?) is the induction of the creation of a big big *BIG* mass of failed individuals turning themselves to conspiracy theories as a form of existential victimhood dimension.
    "I'm not failing 'cause I'm not good.....I'm failing 'cause THE WANT ME TO FAIL, THEY WANT TO DESTROY ME!!111"

    The "real conspiracy" (it's a simple strategy to get consensus, old as the world itself) is that conservatives parties use this to get voted.
    That's the real goal of "meritocracy" narrations: set impossible success goals, spreading social competition and envy, to get tanks of desperate gullible people voting for the leader presented as an "avenging liberator" figure.

    It's really effective, as nazi did show us 100 years ago.
    Last edited by lowenz; 15th Oct 2021 at 04:25.

  13. #16438
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2020
    Man this is going to melt some brains:

    https://inkstickmedia.com/how-the-sa...uctive-rights/

    Legislators claiming to follow the Christian Bible are behind America’s rising tide of anti-abortion laws. Rather poetically, a group of Satanists is fighting back. Using its status as a federally recognized religion, The Satanic Temple has developed novel and unorthodox approaches — such as a “Satanic Abortion Ritual” and religious counseling services — to protect the reproductive freedoms of its members.
    ...
    Since its inception, The Satanic Temple has launched an array of high-profile public campaigns to protect LGBTQ, minority, and women’s rights. Most famously, the Satanists have been fighting to place a horned goat-headed Baphomet statue next to a Ten Commandments monument on Arkansas Capitol grounds, to ensure that fringe religions have access to the same privileges as the Christian majority.
    That's some quality trolling right there.

    ~~~

    As for other news

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ess/ar-AAPA1gR
    Ron Watkins, a man who is believed to be the founder of the QAnon conspiracy theory, has announced his intention to run as an Arizona congressional candidate.
    ...
    "President [Donald] Trump had his election stolen, not just in Arizona but in other states, too," Watkins said during his campaign announcement. "We must now take this fight to Washington, D.C. to vote out all the dirty Democrats who have stolen our republic."
    If a *12 year old* wrote a speech like that I'd be worried that they're not the brightest 12 year old I could be speaking with. Ron Watkins is a glorified forum mod, a script kiddie who is only comfortable communicating via imageboard memes. I kinda doubt his ability to do politics.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ords-to-qanon/

    ... The "court determines that the petitioners have met the burden of showing that Peters and Knisley have committed a breach and neglect of duty and other wrongful acts," Mesa County District Court Judge Valerie Robison wrote in Wednesday's ruling. "As such, Peters and Knisley are unable or unwilling to appropriately perform the duties of the Mesa County Designated Election Official. The court further determines substantial compliance with the provisions of the code require an injunction prohibiting Peters and Knisley from performing the duties of the Designated Election Official."

    In August, Watkins released photos of information on Dominion's Election Management Systems (EMS) voting machines, including an installation manual and "BIOS passwords for a small collection of computers, including EMS server and client systems," as we reported at the time. While Watkins, a former 8chan administrator, was trying to prove that Dominion can remotely administer the machines, the documents actually showed "a generic set of server hardware, with explicit instructions to keep it off the Internet and lock down its remote management functions."

    Peters, who promoted Trump's conspiracy theory that voting machines were manipulated to help Joe Biden win the 2020 election, "'holed up' in a safe house provided by pillow salesman and conspiracy theorist Mike Lindell" when the FBI began investigating her, according to an August 19 Vice News article. Her location was described as a "mystery" for a while, but she appeared at an event in Grand Junction, Colorado, last month.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 16th Oct 2021 at 00:27.

  14. #16439
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    America is going to need a Truth and Reconciliation process if it hopes to heal from this disease.

  15. #16440
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    America is going to need a Truth and Reconciliation process if it hopes to heal from this disease.
    Like the Halo Covenant spaceship? Really proper for the USA

  16. #16441
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    America still needs a Truth & Reconciliation process for slavery & Jim Crow and the ethnic cleansing/attempted assimilation of its indigenous population (along with Canada & Mexico on that last one, FTM). It's long overdue!

  17. #16442
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2020
    As if things couldn't get any worse:

    https://truthout.org/articles/texas-...the-holocaust/

    Texas School Administrator to Teachers: Teach “Opposing” Sides of the Holocaust
    “Make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust that you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives,” Peddy continued.

    When teachers asked how there could be opposing viewpoints on the Holocaust, Peddy responded, “Believe me, that’s come up.”
    the law requires teachers to “give deference to both sides” on historical topics — a mandate that many say legitimizes false historical narratives, and limits critical discussion about topics like racism and white supremacy in schools.
    Basically we have to teach both sides of the Holocaust now to appease angry Nazi parents.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 16th Oct 2021 at 16:58.

  18. #16443
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    What's the "other" side of Shoah? MILLIONS of "jewish bankers" ? LOL

    Yeah yeah, it's "coming up"......what an existential loser.

  19. #16444
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    America still needs a Truth & Reconciliation process for slavery & Jim Crow and the ethnic cleansing/attempted assimilation of its indigenous population (along with Canada & Mexico on that last one, FTM). It's long overdue!
    Indeed. The present situation goes back to the racist concessions made to the South at the end of the civil war. Until those issues are exposed and resolved, this crap will just keep recurring. No equality without equity.

    Those minions swept up in Trump's madness need more options than just stewing in jail with fellow rioters, brewing more resentment and plotting revenge.

  20. #16445
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    To get some context, I'm reading about how truth and reconciliation processes work, and I was thinking "oh there's no way that'd work in the United States". Then I had a moment of clarity - *it worked in Uganda*. Dang, are we really at the point where the people who need to chill out are more far gone than Uganda? At this point I feel like the people who we're trying to reach with the olive branch would "fake news" literally everything about the process.

    EDIT: here's a CNN segment on the Texas / Holocaust teaching thing (5 min video):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXS5xrhbdsY
    Last edited by Cipheron; 16th Oct 2021 at 23:00.

  21. #16446
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2020
    First here's a normal stupidity story:

    https://mashable.com/article/missour...r-html-hacking

    Short version is that a reporter found that user's social security numbers were exposed in the HTML of a Missouri Dept of Education website, and he reported that to the authorities, and now the governor wants him charged with being a hacker.

    Second, here's the lightspeed stupidity story:

    https://www.newsweek.com/gop-rep-ten...pshire-1637280

    GOP Rep. Who Shared Claims of Tentacled Creatures in COVID Vaccines Quits Panels

    A New Hampshire Republican who disseminated a document claiming COVID-19 vaccines contained tentacled creatures that enter the human body has resigned from two committees of the state's legislature.

    State Representative Ken Wyler has stepped down as a member of the House Finance and Joint Legislative Fiscal committees following criticism from Republican Governor Chris Sununu and Democrats.

    Wyler said he had not read the entire 52-page document, which he sent to colleagues on the fiscal via email, and acknowledged that it contained "conspiracy material."

    The document, entitled The Vaccine Death Report, contained a number of false and conspiratorial claims, including that governments want to "steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G" and references about the Roman Catholic Church's supposedly evil "Black Pope" and "Grey Pope."

    Perhaps the most outrageous section was entitled "CREATURE WITH TENTACLES."

    The document claims that scientist describes seeing "a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware" when the vaccine is viewed under the microscope.

    "The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused [the doctor] to weep," the document said.
    there's more and more chatter about the tentacle monsters now in QAnon circles, which is what I was googling when i came across that story.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 18th Oct 2021 at 19:37.

  22. #16447
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    LOL

    After a (misinterpreted) "Orwell got it right!!1111" we'll have "Lovecraft got it right!!1111"

  23. #16448
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Lyon, France
    I suppose it's at least good that the nuts are having some fun with their theories. A bit of sci-fi is a refreshing new direction.

  24. #16449
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Quick aside, I actually taught Transitional Justice in my class today.

    Japan's Transitional Justice process was kind of trash too. They never really did come to the same acknowledgement or ownership of their war crimes that Germany did. (And Germany's process was kind of trash too, ftm.) And while they've gotten on board with democracy in name, it's still been basically 1-party rule since the 1940s to this day. A lot of it you can pin on the American occupying forces not letting the location population be part of its own process, and they wanted to get the whole thing over as quickly and painlessly as possible because we had to become fast friends to fight the commies, and when you're doing TJ, you're supposed to be thinking about democratizing & reconciliation over the long term. Two of my favorite case studies are Colombia and Cambodia, both really good examples of how much politics can muck the process up, even if you had good intentions all around (which you don't have that either).

    The topic itself is really interesting! I'm kind of fortunate to do research & teach in this field. All of our cases are always high drama & politics. I couldn't imagine teaching bankruptcy or M&A law. I'd probably fall asleep in my own class.

  25. #16450
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    Registered: Dec 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    I suppose it's at least good that the nuts are having some fun with their theories. A bit of sci-fi is a refreshing new direction.
    Oh God, i've just found the entrance to this specific rabbithole.

    not only do they have documents, they have fake news type TV channels where fake doctors are coming on talking about the tentacle creatures. And it's suddenly less fun when it's outside of ranting on blogs. Remember that guy who smashed 500 vaccine vials? a fan of these people.

    The biggest upside is that I can actually present a news clip where the host interviews a doctor about the tentacle creatures:

    Dr Carrie Madej interview https://tv.gab.com/channel/theclaycl...589b442f0fa8cd
    Dr Carrie Madej site: https://carriemadej.com/
    Dr. Madej goes on to describe The Moderna vial sample as something like a “super conducting computing system” and metallic fragments “that I am not used to seeing”. She later refers to it as “an injectable computing system”
    Looking here up there's a Vice article about her. Surprisingly, she's an actual doctor: orthopedics:
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/88av...a-witches-brew

    Her claims are that the vaccine has mRNA that reprograms your DNA, they also have nano-computers to control your mind. and tentacle creatures to ... idk.

    Dr. Franc Zalewski presentation https://www.bitchute.com/video/BiwBQwCaRDrw/
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/10/para...nourishes-the/
    Dr. Franc Zalewski claims to have found an aluminum/carbon based life-form in the COVID vaccines.
    Apparently Dr. Franc Zalewski is actually one of those "ancient aliens" guys. His doctorate is actually in ancient architecture, not a science field.

    People are apparently combining the theories now, so you got multiple *types* of tiny octopuses in the same vaccines, both the metallic aluminium base ones and non-metallic organic ones, along with the mRNA DNA hacking, nano-chips and nano-bots that reprogram your brain.

    There's also another line of reasoning tangential to this, it's a theory that since the mRNA reprograms you genetically, then your DNA is now patented by a corporation, and they hold that the Supreme Court has already ruled that people who got the vaccine are no longer classed as humans.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 19th Oct 2021 at 16:34.

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