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  1. #26
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    Registered: Sep 2008
    Location: Deutschland/Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Udo View Post
    Well, in the end itīs a matter of taste. What I dislike about some of Michaelisī VA is that the direction seems to be very shitty. I mean, they hire a professional VA, but canīt get the translations right? I mean, if he says about Angelwatch "I will take my tenament daily" itīs just downright wrong, because "I take my tenament every day of the week" has a different meaning. I mean, some of the texts a 10th grader could have translated better...
    As we recently discussed in an unpleasant context IMHO there can never be a 1:1 translation. If this is made 100% slavish the result often becomes ridiculus. There are idioms which don't exist in all languages, rimes, sayings ... why not express the same by using other, more euphonic words? OK, nobody is perfect but I never missed neither any information nor any entertainment value in the german or french version of thief. And I like to hear other phrases in game like "Tu trembles, vermine !", it's a funny variation although not literally translated. So what? I don't wrack my brain for that.
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  2. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfortas View Post
    You are very on point with the things you've said about Karras German voice. I have never thought about it in much detail, but his charismatic voice in German seems to be fitting for a leader.
    The problem is that he isn't a charismatic leader, though. He's the head of a cult and he has been mocked and spurned by the society at large, which is probably one of the reasons he devoted himself on technology and rose through the ranks. It was only when his cult became powerful and wealthy (thanks in no small part to his innovations, it seems) that the nobles started to pay any attention to him. He's more of a Bill Gates than Steve Jobs, if that makes sense.

  3. #28
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    Registered: May 2018
    Quote Originally Posted by zappenduster View Post
    As we recently discussed in an unpleasant context IMHO there can never be a 1:1 translation. If this is made 100% slavish the result often becomes ridiculus. There are idioms which don't exist in all languages, rimes, sayings ... why not express the same by using other, more euphonic words? OK, nobody is perfect but I never missed neither any information nor any entertainment value in the german or french version of thief. And I like to hear other phrases in game like "Tu trembles, vermine !", it's a funny variation although not literally translated. So what? I don't wrack my brain for that.
    I agree that certain things canīt be translated 1:1, but the examples I listed are just sloppiness.
    I still pick the german version over the english one, but only a bit reluctantly.

    Donīt know about the french version...I havenīt played it yet aside a short look into TDP, and donīt plan to do it. I donīt like french as a language, the french Garrett sounds awful and most importantly I donīt understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    The problem is that he isn't a charismatic leader, though. He's the head of a cult and he has been mocked and spurned by the society at large, which is probably one of the reasons he devoted himself on technology and rose through the ranks. It was only when his cult became powerful and wealthy (thanks in no small part to his innovations, it seems) that the nobles started to pay any attention to him. He's more of a Bill Gates than Steve Jobs, if that makes sense.
    Not to discuss Jobs vs. Gates, but from where comes the presumption that Karras was mocked? From my understanding he left the Hammerites for his own cult because he wasnīt satisfied with the conservatism of the order - they didnīt want technical progress and Karras thought this was not what the Builder wanted. That he developed a god complex later is another story.
    He canīt be viewed as a chump, because he was praised for his sermons. Just my thoughts about that.

    Oh, and another reason I like the german Gold version more :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTw5vDSMOg
    The epic Mage KO sound..

  4. #29
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    Registered: May 2004
    Well, he talks and writes about how the city spurned him and the nobility made fun of him behind his back, for example:

    The Builder smiled on the things Karras had done. Out of devotion, He had invented many machines, and these machines now served Him well. He had transformed wretched humans into agents of The Builder's will, controlled directly by the influence of Karras' machines. These were called Servants, and they had been embraced by those in the city who considered themselves superior because of the wealth of their coffers instead of their spirits. These same people had beamed at Karras with one face but with another face smirked amongst each other and shared affronts.

    For this Karras had once detested them
    , but He saw now their role in the Builder's Plan. In all these things Karras had forged the tools that He would use to bring the Builder's Paradise to the world. The Builder looked upon these tools as Karras made preparations to put them to use, and His gaze showed favor, and Karras felt the Builder's hands upon Him and the Builder's strength helping Karras carry His burdens.
    To assist his calculations Karras drafted a map of the city, and now He saw the circles He had drawn and was pleased. Nowhere was there a place that would be uncleansed by the Necrotic Mutox, and its effects would extend beyond the city. The circles conjoined in the center, the very heart of the city, the same city that had spurned Karras and denounced The Builder. Karras knew from this sign that all was to be as He had seen.
    Seems like he was only praised for his sermons because he became rich and influential and people wanted to curry favour with him.
    Last edited by Starker; 16th Apr 2020 at 17:00.

  5. #30
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    Registered: Oct 2007
    Location: Angelwatch
    Hey! Another fellow German here.

    I played both versions (though english not completely) and also I prefer the German versions for reasons already mentioned. They just sound more professional. The English guards sound like amateur theater with someone squeezing his throat to sound like a hard guy.

    And of course Martin Keßler. Whenever I see a movie with Nicolas Cage there's this line in my head saying "Jaaa.... es freut mich wirklich wahnsinnig, dass der Erbauer euch leitet..."

  6. #31
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    Registered: May 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    I think my biggest complaint about the German voice acting is that a lot of times they don't sound very invested -- it's more like they are narrating instead of acting. Like let's take the Thief 2 archer fight where you can really hear the anger and irritation in the guards voices in the original. For example, the guard lowering his voice at "...or we'll boil his knackers" makes it sound far more menacing and the switching his voice to a higher pitch at "Such slander will not be tolerated..." goes a long way to show how upset and outraged he is, as well as at "You've gone... you've gone too far this time...".

    I loved that scene.

    I never even bothered to play Thief in German. Most games suffer from the German synchro. It's gotten a bit better in games these days though. Skyrim is perfectly fine in German, for example. For other games like Fallout New Vegas, I definitely prefer to play them in English, because, there's a lot of atmosphere added with the accents.

  7. #32
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    Registered: May 2018
    BTW I upscaled the german cutscenes of TDP/TG and converted them to 60fps.
    Looks much better now. I send them to Bentraxx, maybe he can remaster audio, too. Maybe one day they can be used ingame.
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...z_v--RegB-InjK

  8. #33
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    Registered: Jun 2004
    Location: Heidelberg
    I am not German (in the way that my native language is not Deutsch). I actually have bought long ago a German-CD, but I could not play it (after having played the game in English first). Sorry, but when you got used to Stephen Russell's magnificent Garrett-tone, it doesn't matter how better are the other voices... the magic is gone.

    The synchronization is a double edge sword. Even when there's something fortunate like Norbert Lange doing John Nettles, there are still the situations when I watch a nature documentary and I find myself asking "what the heck is Inspector Barnaby doing in Okawango delta?" Or in Roadrunner cartoons . And the counterexamples are countless - I am watching now the reruns of TNG on Tele5 and let's be honest, half of Picard's charm, brought by Patrick Stewart's voice, is gone. Ersatzlos.

    For the "middle" area, probably it's a matter of habit. Having seen Two and a Half Men mostly here, I could not stand Charles Sheen's voice when I happened to stumble upon original episodes (perceived it high pitched and slightly annyoing). It's not bad per se, but I was used to German synchronisation...

  9. #34
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    Registered: Sep 2011
    Gutntag

  10. #35
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    Registered: Jun 2020
    Location: Netherlands
    Anwesend :P

    My location says the Netherlands but I was born and raised in Germany so it's my native language of course. I have never played Thief in German. I always play my games in either English or in very rare occasions that the original game's language is German or even Dutch; in these languages. Risen, Gothic and Enderal are examples of games that I do not play in English for that reason.

  11. #36
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    Registered: May 2018
    Well yeah I listened to Gothic and Risen english versions and boy, these have bad voice acting. I didnīt expect them to be close to the originals, but that they are that bad...

  12. #37
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    Registered: Apr 2020
    Location: Germany
    I usually only play and watch stuff in their original languages, be it games, animes or series. BUT Thief is a huge exception. The german voice actors of Garrett (both - thief 1 & 2) are the best of the best imo. While the voice actor of thief 1 was a bit unexperienced and sometimes didnīt pronounce things that well, his voice is soooo good that it totally makes up for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQRN...9FI14X&index=3
    the way he pronounces his sarcastic statements is way too good

    The german voice actor of thief 2īs Garrett has a great voice aswell, he sounds older than in thief 1, which fits perfectly and its easily to recognize that he knows how to pronounce stuff the way it should be.

    Then I gotta say I also love Garrettīs english voice. Itīs so cool that he voices him in all 3 thief games (not counting the 4th one, which is non-existent in my world cause itīs utter crap) and Iīm also a fan of dishonoredīs corvo attano, which he voices aswell in game 2

    So for me: Thief 1 & 2 in german, thief 3 in english. All perfect

  13. #38
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    Registered: May 2018
    Quote Originally Posted by Samantha1 View Post
    thief 3 in english.
    Itīs not that we have much of a choice...subtitles arenīt a real localisation for me.

    I heard the german version of Thief 2014 recently and thatīs really a joke as the rest of the game...sounds like a bad Direct-to-DVD flick.

  14. #39
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    Registered: Apr 2020
    Location: Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Udo View Post
    Itīs not that we have much of a choice...subtitles arenīt a real localisation for me.

    I heard the german version of Thief 2014 recently and thatīs really a joke as the rest of the game...sounds like a bad Direct-to-DVD flick.
    True. I mean.. if there was a german version of it, Iīd probably play that one

    I had no idea a german version does exist. Not that I care much. Iīve played through it one time and then deleted everything of it from my mind cause it was just so bad :'D

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