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Thread: I love Skyrim but good lord, could they milk it any more?

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    FKA Buccura
    Registered: Mar 2014
    Location: 20X6

    I love Skyrim but good lord, could they milk it any more?

    I have no shame in saying Skyrim is in my top 10 games of all time (yes, I am a horrible horrible heretic who likes it more than Morrowind), and I'm all for games having a long period of support. But, after watching the giant thud that was the Bethesda E3 2017 conference, I really can't shake the feeling that they are now just milking Skyrim for all it's worth. It's not that it's coming to another platform on principle that gives me this impression, but on the other hand, this game came out almost 6 years ago. How many people who would be interested in the game don't already own it? Not to mention the highly questionable Creators Club thing they have going on that they are going to have to fight an uphill battle convincing people it's not paid mods all over again.

    Skyrim is a great game but I really wish we could at least get a hint that they are doing something other than Fallout 4 VR and Skyrim ports.

    Edit: Now we have Skyrim Playstation VR. FFS.
    Last edited by Bucky Seifert; 12th Jun 2017 at 22:55.

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    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Lol, I came here to post the same thing.
    I'll just quote what I wrote in another forum:
    Yeah ... VR & paid mods. It's transparently trying to milk Skyrim (like the special edition) since they aren't on track with ES6. Skyrim is what, a 6 year old game now. Who tries to start milking a 6 year old game like it was released last week? Needless to say I'm not a fan of this move.

  3. #3
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2005
    Location: Not Kansas
    What dema said.

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    To me it depends entirely on how they do it and how much they ask for it. From VR perspective it makes sense to test the waters to see to what extent traditional gaming experiences can be done in the new medium. By taking an existing game where the content already exists, they can do so in a relatively cost-effective way - because, let's face it, no big publisher would bring out new content as massive as Skyrim for VR.

    If they end up selling this at the same price and don't offer any discounts for people who already have the game, then they're idiots and deserve to fall flat on their faces. But if they can do this without a massive impact on new games (and, let's face it, the team needed for this would be much, much smaller than what you'd need for a full new game), I don't see the problem.

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    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Quote Originally Posted by Buccura View Post
    How many people who would be interested in the game don't already own it?
    Oh no, GOG.com just disappeared in a puff of logic!

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    Brethren
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: Not France
    Yeah, I thought the beginning of all this was last year when they released the Special Edition at full retail price.

  7. #7
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    ... which people who had the full game got for free.

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    Brethren
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: Not France
    I think that only applied to PC, right? Either way, for people who don't own it, $60 (PS4/Xbox One) is a lot for a 6 year old game.

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    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    True - but this is one business practice I honestly don't have much of a problem with, because it's entirely transparent and up to the buyer. Do you think the game is worth the price? Buy it. Otherwise don't. There are lots of practices in this business that I consider dodgy, insidious and destructive, but this isn't one of them for me.

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    Brethren
    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: Not France
    I don't think it's dishonest in any way, it's just going to the well a few too many times. I'd much rather have them work on new stuff than continue to re-imagine and enhance the existing stuff. It's as old as the first Dark Souls game, and we've had 3 full games plus expansions released by From since then.

    I do think it's amusing how from the start, the Switch has used Skyrim as a marquee game in it's ads and promos.

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    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Do you think the people who work on a port are the same people who'd be developing a whole new game? I'm sure there's some overlap, but for the most part it's highly unlikely that the development of a new game is held back much by either of the new versions of Skyrim.

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    Member
    Registered: Jun 2002
    Quote Originally Posted by Thirith View Post
    Do you think the people who work on a port are the same people who'd be developing a whole new game? I'm sure there's some overlap, but for the most part it's highly unlikely that the development of a new game is held back much by either of the new versions of Skyrim.
    and keep in mind, Beth doesn't usually announce a game till a few months before release. I've never understood all the secrecy, but that's how the do things.

  13. #13
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Landahn
    Also keep in mind that Skyrim wasn't their last big budget release, Fallout 4 was. That's only 1.5 years old, so it's hardly as if they've been sitting on their hands since Skyrim's release.

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    With all the porting, I wish they'd start making proper PC ports of their games.

    I'm looking at you, company who have had nothing but broken console UIs in every game they've made since Morrowind.

  15. #15
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2001
    Location: Somewhere
    wow Fallout 4 is 18 months old? insert Neil Young song reference

  16. #16
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Quote Originally Posted by Buccura View Post
    I am a horrible horrible heretic who likes it more than Morrowind
    Speaking of Morrowind and milking TES, I have no idea how BethSoft hasn't done an official remake of it yet in their modern engines. If you could have all the great things from Morrowind (rpg systems, lore, story, characters, atmosphere, overall weirdness) brought into their more immersive sim-y engine (better combat, better stealth, radiant ai, being able to put a bucket on someone's head to block their LOS) it would be like printing money.

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    FKA Buccura
    Registered: Mar 2014
    Location: 20X6
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Moyer View Post
    Speaking of Morrowind and milking TES, I have no idea how BethSoft hasn't done an official remake of it yet in their modern engines. If you could have all the great things from Morrowind (rpg systems, lore, story, characters, atmosphere, overall weirdness) brought into their more immersive sim-y engine (better combat, better stealth, radiant ai, being able to put a bucket on someone's head to block their LOS) it would be like printing money.
    The better stealth alone makes me all for this, as Morrowind stealth system is kind of crap imo, making playing a stealth character just not fun for me compared to Oblivion and Skyrim. The combat I don't mind though as much as other people, funny enough, though the accurate attack mod does make it more enjoyable.

    Maybe, if that Creation Guild thing does actually work and not turn out to be another attempt at paid mods but stuff actually worth paying for, they will give a team the budget to just do a full on remake of Morrowind in the Skyrim engine.

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    Member
    Registered: Aug 2012
    Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
    Plus it's not even just Bethesda milking it for all its worth, it's youtubers too. Some of them make more videos on Skyrim a game that's 6 years old opposed to Fallout 4 which only came out 2 years ago.
    I mean it's alright to love a game but to shove it down everyones throats is just so damn annoying!

  19. #19
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I can understand that it might annoy you if a channel becomes All Skyrim All The Time, but YouTube videos generally being something that you can choose not to watch, I don't quite see how anyone is shoving anything down your throat.

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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Landahn
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  21. #21
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2018
    I'm all for the ports. They help fund the next generations of the series with incredibly simple ports that basically print money for them.

    I just wish I had some way I could transfer my license between systems. I'd love to have Skyrim on my Switch but can't justify dropping yet another $60 on this game.
    Last edited by GamingDadOfFour; 18th Apr 2018 at 21:06.
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    FKA Buccura
    Registered: Mar 2014
    Location: 20X6
    Quote Originally Posted by GamingDadOfFour View Post
    I'm all for the ports. They help fund the next generations of the series with incredibly simple ports that basically print money for them.

    I just wish I had some way I could transfer my license between systems. I'd love to have Skyrim on my Switch but can't justify dropping yet another $60 on this game.
    I myself would love to get Skyrim on the Switch but as far as I can tell it has no mod support. I just can't go back to Skyrim not having the Ordinator Perks mod.

  23. #23
    New Member
    Registered: Mar 2018
    Quote Originally Posted by Buccura View Post
    I myself would love to get Skyrim on the Switch but as far as I can tell it has no mod support. I just can't go back to Skyrim not having the Ordinator Perks mod.
    While I've enjoyed mods, the portability aspect of being able to readily play Skyrim while laying in bed without even needing to sit up trumps mods easily.
    Last edited by GamingDadOfFour; 18th Apr 2018 at 21:06.
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  24. #24
    New Member
    Registered: Nov 2017
    Location: South Africa
    At the risk of offending people to me skyrim was a dumbed down version of oblivion. Graphic were great for the time but it just never got you hooked like oblivion did and also morrowind ( they didn't have the fancy engine but the stories were just on the ball ). There was just something about it that made it feel like a arcade game more than a RPG. If they could have combined elements of both into skyrim it would really have been one of the greatest.

    I had hope for another release of something better by bethesda in the series, but looking at games in general in the genre it feels like they're all sort of headed the same way, great graphics, more movies than gameplay and just less sandboxes in general.

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    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    That's totally okay. Oblivion was a mediocre game with terrible gameplay, boring art direction, and a godawful main quest, so it set the terms for everything Bethesda did after. The moment reaching for the bottom of the barrel is the precedent, you don't have to worry about having expectations any more for the future, so it's gravy.

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