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Thread: Ghost rules discussion

  1. #351
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    Registered: Jun 2000
    Location: Land of enchantment
    I think it would be good to add it to the Supreme rules as well. It may be redundant, but it would be clear.

  2. #352
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    Ok, edited.

  3. #353
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    Registered: Nov 2010
    I had always treated the damage to the icicles as a bust. I guess trail of blood can be declared as a ghost success then as I can finish that level with nothing more than a few first alerts. Nice.

  4. #354
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    In olddark I was able to without first alerts even, so hopefully that can be Supreme ghosted now. Trail of Blood is coming up soon for me.

  5. #355
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    Registered: Nov 2010
    Occassionaly when bashing icicles I thought I can dected first alearts from the tree beasts - dunno for sure as i might be confusing it with an FM i've played.

  6. #356
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    Really? I never noticed that, but I will for sure be on the lookout (or hearout).

  7. #357
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    Registered: Oct 2013
    Just to check:

    Unavoidable consequences triggered at the same time as completing a required objective, as long as it doesn't alert any enemies, are excused...
    To me this sounds like an alarm that alerts enemies who are near enough to hear it, is not excused? UNLESS if it is a scripted alert, as opposed to being a real-time reaction to an alarm that sounded as soon as you completed an objective? Is that correct?

    in-game shops, are ok to use as long as you are not spotted and do not break any other rules.
    Presumably by "spotted" you meant by enemies? It's OK if the shopkeeper and any neutral customers see you? I am 99.9% sure this is what was meant I am just envisioning someon staying out of a shop if there are friendly customers in there

  8. #358
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    Registered: Mar 2018
    Quote Originally Posted by Cigam View Post
    Presumably by "spotted" you meant by enemies? It's OK if the shopkeeper and any neutral customers see you? I am 99.9% sure this is what was meant I am just envisioning someon staying out of a shop if there are friendly customers in there
    You are generally correct, but in some FMs if neutral AI will see you doing some shady activity, for example: pickpocketing somebody else or opening door you should not to open, it will result in their behavior changing from neutral to hostile. And then they start alerting to you despite starting as neutral AI, which can bust your ghost.

  9. #359
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    Cigam: You are correct on both points, though the script situation is tricky. That's why the rules say to always confirm with the ghosting community before excusing busts and claiming a success. Scripts are difficult to detect and customized for each mission, so a second opinion is often needed. Its safer to always call it a bust when enemies alert.

  10. #360
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    Registered: Apr 2016
    Location: France
    Would taking the keeper book in Endless Rain be allowed for Supreme now?

  11. #361
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    No, because if I remember correctly, it's not unavoidable. Can't you skip the readable that triggers the objective?

  12. #362
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    Registered: Apr 2016
    Location: France
    What about a similar objective that's mandatory?

  13. #363
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    Yes, as long as the trap doesn't alert any enemies, or can't be avoided in any way, it should now be accepted.

  14. #364
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    Registered: Nov 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by klatremus View Post
    Really? I never noticed that, but I will for sure be on the lookout (or hearout).
    I loaded each of my VMs with the various Tfix's I to find out.

    olddark no aleart
    newdark 1.27b no alert
    newdark 1.27c no alert
    newdark 1.27d no alert

    So bashing the icicles in trail doesn't bust ghost - so it must have been a FM i've played - now to find what FM that was.

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