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Thread: Hack Game Engine To Make Walls Climbable?

  1. #1
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022

    Hack Game Engine To Make Walls Climbable?

    Hello,

    I would like to climb up to that hatch in the fireplace of Thief: Deadly Shadows (Shalebridge Cradle!).

    Any way to hack the game files or something?

  2. #2
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    Are you wanting an in game hack or do you want to break into the games engine to see what’s behind that hatch

    For a simple hack you could try experimenting with your run speed factor in the Sneaky Upgrade tweaks, as well as a few other SU tweaks.

    To actually break into the games engine there’s a little program Snobel made for me to break into T3 missions to find all the loot, keys, levers etc.

    Its a bit of a pain working out how to use it initially but once you’ve got the hang of it you can fly around any of the maps by no clipping through the walls, up fireplaces, through hatch doors etc.

    Loothunter:- https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthre...ght=Loothunter

    I’ll see if I still have my old notes for this program (they’re on an old HD somewhere), but I know they are out of date as were made for version 1&2, but I should be able to amend them to help you if you need advise.

    PM me if you need any further help.

  3. #3
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Hello,

    I want to find out and see what is behind the hatch. Today I already found out that if you get the game to glitch, in the museum level there is a guard sitting on a chair on the roof of the building (above the elevator, in the hall where the "eye" can be found).

    Since I've heard that the hatch in the cradle actually was planned to be a secondary entrance to the building, there may be more behind it. Could be something creepy!

  4. #4
    Member
    Registered: May 2008
    Location: Southern,California
    can someone please show footage of these things

  5. #5
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Seems like Loothunter is not compatible with the patch though. It opens the original game after running the installer, and I cannot find the executable. In an online cafe right now, so maybe the PC restrictions are the reason...

    ... played around with the physics, too. They are funny, but do not seem to make the hatch reachable.

  6. #6
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    When you run the installer the dialog box gives you a few options, check the following-

    Loothunter:
    -
    In the Original Game

    Miscellaneous:-
    Make AI's Ignore Me

    Desktop Icons:-
    For this Installer
    For Loothunter
    For the Read Me file


    Once installed the read me files give basic instructions for finding loot, keys etc, but what you want to do is 'Fly' around the map, so once all installed run the Loothunter program from the blue icon on your desktop and the game will start as you have discovered, load a save anywhere inside Shalesbridge Cradle so you in the right place to start with, then you need to open the console, but there are no instruction for this in the Read Me file.....

    Use:-
    Ctrl + ' (apostrophe)

    A dialog box opens, type in FLY (use lower case) and then 'enter', now you are then in no clip mode and you can fly around the map, through walls and up chimney breasts by using the usually WASD keys. You can't do anything whilst in FLY mode so to return to the game bring up the console again and type in LAND, if you have checked the miscellaneous 'Make AI's ignore me' in the installer you'll be able to walk around unmolested.

    If you still are have difficulties post a save from somewhere in Shalesbridge Cradle itself and I'll check out the fireplace for you (don't have any saves available).

    Your saves are in your main T3 folder, but please zip up all of the components of that save otherwise I'll need to d/l 11 or 12 files.

  7. #7
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    My savegames probably aren't worth a lot since I use the patched version. But there are some savegames available here:
    http://www.nicouzouf.com/en/?page=search

    (Sorry, direct link does not seem to work)

    If you could have a look, I would really appreciate it!

  8. #8
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Sorry, found the direct download link!
    http://www.nicouzouf.com/en/public/d...shadows&dl=all

  9. #9
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    I don't know why you don't think your saves will work, patched or not, LH is just a simple tool for breaking into the map, it should work regardless.

    I loaded a save from that d/l but seeing I haven't played the OM for years I'm flying around completely blind not knowing where this fireplace is, but looking at the building from the skybox there doesn't appear to be any secret entrances.

  10. #10
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Hey,

    it's in the outer cradle. If you remember the attic, which is the highest point in the outer cradle AFAIK, it is very close to the fireplace.

    The fireplace itself is in the room with all the beds.

    Botched description, I know. Is it helping?

  11. #11
    Sneaky Upgrader
    Registered: May 2007
    Here's a matlib override file, which makes the material used inside the chimney climbable. Must be copied into Content\T3\Matlib\DynamicallyLoaded in the game install. Better remove it when you're done...

    About the LootHunter: If you've been playing with the T3 Gold mod enabled then make sure to select that option, not "original game" when installing.
    The key to activate the console depends on the keyboard layout, for me it's the one to the right of L, sometimes it's the one above Tab. Good point about mentioning it in the readme, I'll make a note in case I ever get around to updating it.

  12. #12
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Hey, seems I cannot access the game files on the Cybercafe PC. I got Loothunter to work though, only the dialogue box won't open.

    "CTRL" and ' it is, correct? No box for commands opening here I am afraid.

  13. #13
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Hey,

    I got it to work! Pretty interesting what I found out!

    1. The hatch can, in fact, be opened. If the wall to the left of the cradle grounds was actually climbable, you would be able to use it as an alternative entrance. It opens to the roof which can actually be walked on. Pretty cool!

    2. The inner cradle is, in fact, not part of what you can see from the outside at all, but opens to a totally different part of the map. The cradle is much wider and larger than it appears on the outside.

    3. The staff tower has the infamous exit through the window at the top. This leads to a totally enclaved part of the "outside cradle" though which, in fact, does not even have an exit.

    So after the level is completed, Garrett is basically doomed to starve outside of the cradle.

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    Well done, Loothunter is a fun bit of kit once yo have got it working, along with FLY + LAND there are other commands you can input using the console, sadly it would appear I no longer have the complete console commands on my comp, only have a printed out copy, maybe Snobel has got the commands, but IIRC they are hidden somewhere in your T3 folder, the document title is Thief 3 User Menu Configuration File.

    GHOST
    GOD PLAYER ON/OFF
    ALL WEAPONS
    ENABLE ALL UPGADES
    ENABLE CLIMBING
    ENABLE LOCKPICKING
    ENABLE BLACKJACK UPGRADE
    ENABLE KEEPER UPGRADE
    ENABLE PAGAN UPGRADE
    ENBLE HAMMER UPGRADE
    ALL AI'S BLIND
    ALL AI'S DEAF
    ALL AI'S DEAF, DUMB, BLIND


    As well as numerous diagnostic tools, teleport ability, light, sound, wireframe mode etc

  15. #15
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    Anyone has an idea on how to get the shortcut to start it to another folder? On the computer I am currently on I cannot access the desktop, but managed to extract the game to a different directory. I do not know how to launch the thing now.

    If I manage to get it running on Thief 3 with Gold patch, a few interesting videos might be to come.

  16. #16
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    The installer places the loothunter on your desktop, but you can also launch it via

    C:/Games/T3LootHunter/System/T3.exe

    If you can't access you desktop and you want to re-run the program, make sure you keep the Snobel's LH installer somewhere safe, each time you run it, it uninstalls all previous installations (both LH and the exe)

    PS. Doubt if you can extract LH to a different folder unless you know how to break into the .exe and edit it's files as it's that that places the program on your desktop.

  17. #17
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    It is certainly possible to simply install it to another folder however. I will see if I can get it to work.

  18. #18
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    The console commands are found in the Editor Pack in the T3menu.ini (Thanks Snobel)

    Code:
    // Thief 3 User Menu Configuration File
    
    // "//" comments are acceptable; "/*" - "*/" comments are not.
    
    // To add a submenu: 
    
    //		[Submenu string text]
    //		{
    //			// submenu contents go here
    //		}
    
    // To add a menu item that executes a console command:
    
    //		
    
    // To add a "double menu item":
    
    //		
    
    
    [T3 Debug Menu]
    {
    	[CitySection]
    	{
    		<'Day 1', setint sta_gameday 0>
    		<'Day 2', setint sta_gameday 1>
    		<'Day 3', setint sta_gameday 2>
    		<'Day 4', setint sta_gameday 3>
    		<'Day 5', setint sta_gameday 4>
    		<'Day 6', setint sta_gameday 5>
    		<'Day 7', setint sta_gameday 6>
    		<'Day 8', setint sta_gameday 7>
    		<'Day 9', setint sta_gameday 8>
    		<'Load City', citysection nextday>
    	}
    	[Video]
    	{
    		<'VSYNC ON', VSYNC ON>
    		<'VSYNC OFF', VSYNC OFF>
    		[Colors...]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Gamma]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Contrast]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Brightness]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    	}
    	[Game Diagnostics]
    	{
    		<'STAT POSITION', STAT POSITION>
    		<'TELEPORT PLAYER START', TELEPORT PLAYER START>
    		<'OBJECTINFO', OBJECTINFO>
    		
    		
    		<'SHOW_TAGS ON', SHOW_TAGS ON>
    		<'SHOW_TAGS OFF', SHOW_TAGS Off>
    	}
    	[General Cheats...]
    	{
    		[Player Movement Mode...]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Objectives...]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Camera Settings...]
    		{
    			
    			[Camera Distance...]
    			{
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    			}
    			[Camera Stiffness...]
    			{
    				<100%, camera set stiffness 1.0>
    				<90%, camera set stiffness 0.90>
    				<80%, camera set stiffness 0.80>
    				<70%, camera set stiffness 0.70>
    				<50%, camera set stiffness 0.50>
    				<30%, camera set stiffness 0.30>
    			}
    			[Camera Anchor Offset...]
    			{
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    			}
    		}			
    		[Invulnerability...]
    		{
    			<'GOD OFF',GOD OFF>
    			<'GOD PLAYER',GOD PLAYER>
    			<'GOD HALF',GOD HALF>
    			<'GOD AIS',GOD AIS>
    			<'GOD ALL',GOD ALL>
    		}
    		[Player Inventory]
    		{
    			<'ALL WEAPONS', ALL WEAPONS>
    		}
    		[Player Health...]
    		{
    			<'HURTME 1',HURTME 1>
    			<'HURTME 8',HURTME 8>
    			<'HURTME 16',HURTME 16>
    			<'HEALME 1',HEALME 1>
    			<'HEALME 8',HEALME 8>
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Player Upgrades...]
    		{
    			<'ENABLE ALL UPGRADES', ENABLE ALL UPGRADES>
    			<'ENABLE CLIMBING', ENABLE CLIMBING>
    			<'ENABLE LOCKPICKING', ENABLE LOCKPICKING>
    			<'ENABLE BLACKJACK UPGRADE', ENABLE BLACKJACKUPGRADE>
    			<'ENABLE KEEPER UPGRADE', ENABLE KEEPERUPGRADE>
    			<'ENABLE PAGAN UPGRADE', ENABLE PAGANUPGRADE>
    			<'ENABLE HAMMER UPGRADE', ENABLE HAMMERUPGRADE>
    		}
    		[SimTime...]
    		{
    			[Speed...]
    			{
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    			}
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[T3 Game Day]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    	}
    	
    	[Global Data Diagnostics...]
    	{
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		[DEBUGFLAGS...]
    		{
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS', DEBUGFLAGS>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS AUL_', DEBUGFLAGS AUL_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS CAS_', DEBUGFLAGS CAS_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS CLK_', DEBUGFLAGS CLK_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS CS_', DEBUGFLAGS CS_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS dif_', DEBUGFLAGS dif_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS DOC', DEBUGFLAGS DOC>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS DUN_', DEBUGFLAGS DUN_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS EG_', DEBUGFLAGS EG_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS FIC_', DEBUGFLAGS FIC_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS HH_', DEBUGFLAGS HH_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS HI_', DEBUGFLAGS HI_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS INN_', DEBUGFLAGS INN_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS KC_', DEBUGFLAGS KC_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS MUS', DEBUGFLAGS MUS>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS OQ_', DEBUGFLAGS OQ_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS PAG_', DEBUGFLAGS PAG_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS SEA_', DEBUGFLAGS SEA_>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS SM', DEBUGFLAGS SM>
    			<'DEBUGFLAGS SQ', DEBUGFLAGS SQ>
    		}
    		[DEBUGINTS...]
    		{
    			<'DEBUGINTS', DEBUGINTS>
    			<'DEBUGINTS con_', DEBUGINTS con_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS dif_', DEBUGINTS dif_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS DUN_', DEBUGINTS DUN_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS EG_', DEBUGINTS EG_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS HH_', DEBUGINTS HH_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS KC_', DEBUGINTS KC_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS OQ_', DEBUGINTS OQ_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS PAG_', DEBUGINTS PAG_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS SQ_', DEBUGINTS SQ_>
    			<'DEBUGINTS sta_', DEBUGINTS sta_>
    		}
    	}
    
    
    	[AI Diagnostics...]
    	{
    		[Cheats...]
    		{
    			[All AIs Blind...]
    			{
    				
    				
    			}
    			[All AIs Deaf...]
    			{
    				
    				
    			}
    			[All AIs Deaf, Dumb, and Blind...]
    			{
    				
    				
    			}
    			
    			[AI Speed...]
    			{
    				<100%,AISPEED 1>
    				<200%,AISPEED 2>
    				<50%,AISPEED 0.5>
    			}
    			<'KILL PAWNS'(Destroy Pawns), KILL PAWNS>
    			<'NUKEALL'(Kill Pawns), NUKEALL>
    		}
    		[AI Stats...]
    		{
    			[Enable For AIs...]
    			{
    				
    				
    				
    				
    			}
    			[General...]
    			{
    				[Past Locations...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Sensory...]
    				{
    					[Visual Angles...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    					[Visual Ranges...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    					[Audio Ranges...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    				}
    				[Anims History...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Sounds History...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    			}
    			[Movement/Pathfinding...]
    			{
    				[Movement Paths...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Local Pathfinding...]
    				{
    					[Local Grid...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    					[Local Grid Costs...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    					[Local Grid Heights...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    					[Sampling Grid...]
    					{
    						
    						
    					}
    				}
    				[Path-Locking...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    			}
    			[Behavior...]
    			{
    				[Evidence...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Behavior Stats...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    			}
    			[Combat...]
    			{
    				[Tactics...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Search Grid...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    				[Trajectories...]
    				{
    					
    					
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		[NavMesh...]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[AI Patrol Paths...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Flock Vectors...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    	}
    
    	[Warfare Diagnostics...]
    	{
    		[Statistics...]
    		{
    			
    		}
    
    		[Rendering...]
    		{
    			[Debug Modes...]
    			{
    				
    				
    				
    				
    				
    			}
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    	}
    
    	[Physics...]
    	{
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		
    		
    	}
    	
    	[Sound...]
    	{
    		[Memory...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[List...]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Portals...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Paths...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Uncategorized Objects...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Uncategorized BSP...]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Physics-Sound]
    		{
    			
    			
    			
    			
    		}
    		[Footsteps]
    		{
    			
    			
    		}
    	}
    
    	[Quit...]
    	{
    		
    		
    	}
    }

  19. #19
    Member
    Registered: May 2008
    Location: Southern,California
    waits for the board on wanting to fly around maps like superman,or better yet become the juggernaut and just bust through all walls :P

    just kidding

    it was kinda sad how thief 3 climbing gloves had to be the most limited items ever in a thief game,except for maybe flares

  20. #20
    New Member
    Registered: Jul 2022
    And here you go, guys! Enjoy!

    https://youtu.be/AOybOPJP4M4

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