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Thread: The Gun Thread About Guns And Gun Related Gunnery

  1. #226
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    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    Yeah. I read that. Sometimes all the training in the world doesn't help, huh? I somehow bet that if the gun had not been on campus that the student wouldn't have gotten injured. Just a guess.

  2. #227
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    Registered: Dec 2003
    Location: Location, Location
    If the teacher didn't have a gun, he'd have just accidentally injured the student with a knife, or a vial of acid, or a moving van. Teachers will find a way.

  3. #228
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Meanwhile on Facebook gun nuts who jizz over the second amendment are going apeshit that kids who don't want to be killed are using their first amendment rights. I've lost all respect for my fellow man. The shear number of complete idiots in Mississippi is staggering.

  4. #229
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Could someone explain to me why the person responsible for the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting could face the death penalty. Hasn't everyone, including Trump, called him a nutcase already which ordinarily should make him unfit and therefore ineligible?

  5. #230
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    The court determined he was sane on the basis that Trump called him a nutcase.

  6. #231
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Of course - makes perfect sense.

  7. #232
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    That's nuts. Not just a gun trained teacher, but a reserve police officer. The craziest thing is that debris fell from the ceiling on some students and he didn't even check to make sure everybody was OK before carrying on with class.

    More here: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...r-12760407.php

  8. #233
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    Could someone explain to me why the person responsible for the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting could face the death penalty. Hasn't everyone, including Trump, called him a nutcase already which ordinarily should make him unfit and therefore ineligible?
    I don't think we should have a death penalty, but I don't really have strong feelings about the issue. If we're going to have it though, shouldn't it be reserved for the most dangerous individuals who have committed the most egregious crimes? If you can't apply it to a mass murderer who shoots up a school full of kids in cold blood, what is it for?

  9. #234
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    Registered: May 2004
    It really baffles me how casually some people treat guns in America. Just the other day I happened to stumble on a story about a woman who accidentally killed her boyfriend, apparently thinking that a book would stop the bullet:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/29/u...unt/index.html

    Perez told police that her boyfriend wanted to make a YouTube video of her shooting a book and had been talking about it for awhile. He held the book up to his chest and convinced Perez to shoot at him, believing the book would stop the bullet.

    Perez told police that Pedro convinced her it was a safe stunt by showing her a different book he had previously shot where the bullet did not go all the way through, according to the arrest report. He set up two cameras to film the whole thing, hoping a video of the dangerous stunt would go viral.

  10. #235
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    "They wanted more YouTube viewers"

    Imagine what the next stunt was going to be. YouTube is the latest get rich quick scheme and it's sad to see what some people will do for views. It takes a special kind of moron though to think a book is going to stop a .50 Desert Eagle. That's a pretty strong argument for mandatory gun safety training there.

  11. #236
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Washington DC
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    That's nuts. Not just a gun trained teacher, but a reserve police officer.
    I think the general public has an inaccurate view of police as firearm experts. All officers get a firearms overview during their academy training, but afterwards the only practice or refamiliarization most officers get is their trivially easy yearly 50-round qualification, which usually doesn't cover safe practices (muzzle/finger discipline) or representative scenarios. As a result, stories like this are far from uncommon. There was a study a few years ago that found that police officers have a six times higher firearm violation rate than concealed carriers (specifically CCers in Texas and Florida, states where you basically need to just show up and have a pulse to get one).

    Unless you give someone significant, in-depth, hands-on training, more in line with what federal law enforcement does, accidents are inevitable. A day of classroom instruction and fifty rounds against a static silhouette doesn't cut it. I think the reaction to armed teachers has been a little bit excessive considering ten states already have armed teachers in some form, with an apparent lack of teachers shooting their students or students stealing their guns or any of the other what-ifs that have been making the rounds, but Trump's idea of simply incentivizing teachers to be armed, without any training provision, and calling it a solution is idiotic.

  12. #237
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Puppy dies on United Airlines flight - Outraged Republicans act immediately to protect them.

    "Pets, including dogs, are now family members," Kennedy said. "And if you’re allowed to bring them on an airplane you shouldn’t have to do it in a way your pet dies." - Sen. John Kennedy, R-La.
    Actual family members die in yet another school shooting... Let's not do anything hasty!

  13. #238
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    Does a puppy have to be shot before people wake up?

  14. #239
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    I dunno, police officers shooting dogs has become quite commonplace.
    Last edited by Pyrian; 19th Mar 2018 at 15:31. Reason: "police shooting dogs" sounds like the dogs are shooting the cops

  15. #240
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    I think the general public has an inaccurate view of police as firearm experts. All officers get a firearms overview during their academy training, but afterwards the only practice or refamiliarization most officers get is their trivially easy yearly 50-round qualification, which usually doesn't cover safe practices (muzzle/finger discipline) or representative scenarios. As a result, stories like this are far from uncommon. There was a study a few years ago that found that police officers have a six times higher firearm violation rate than concealed carriers (specifically CCers in Texas and Florida, states where you basically need to just show up and have a pulse to get one).
    I remember that New York shooting. The aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing was even crazier:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bo...d-chaos-n80236

  16. #241
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    Registered: May 2004
    https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...ing/436364002/

    A 13-year-old girl is dead in Monroe County after authorities say she was shot Saturday by her 9-year-old brother.

    Sheriff Cecil Cantrell said the girl would not give up a video game controller when her brother wanted it.

    [...]

    Authorities don't yet know how the child had access to the weapon they say he used to shoot his sister. It's also unclear how much knowledge the boy had of the dangers of guns.

    "He's just 9. I assume he's seen this on video games or TV," Cantrell said. "I don't know if he knew exactly what this would do. I can't answer that. I do know it's a tragedy."
    Apparently, this tragedy might have been avoided if only the child didn't have access to video games and TV.

  17. #242
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    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: LosAngeles: Between Amusements
    TV and video games don't kill ... 9 year old criminals kill.

  18. #243
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    Registered: Oct 2017
    Location: Denmark
    So, yet another school shooting yesterday... This time, appartly the shooter was stopped quickly by an armed guard at the school:
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/20/u...ing/index.html
    Now obviously, something like that is fuel to the fire, in the debate about armed teachers, guards etc.
    While obviously, I am relieved that the shooting was over quickly... No shooting at all would be preferrable, but it seems you guys in the US are waaaaay past that, man... I dont even know what to say to that.
    However, Im bummed out that the solution in this case ended up being an armed guard shooting the shooter...
    What do you guys think?

  19. #244
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    Registered: May 2004
    Having armed guards protect children and hoping that they react fast enough and shoot the right people might limit the number of victims in some cases (it didn't in Stoneman Douglas), but this is really only just the tip of the vast iceberg of gun violence in the US, which is an entire order of magnitude higher than in other developed countries.

  20. #245
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    I don't think we should have a death penalty, but I don't really have strong feelings about the issue. If we're going to have it though, shouldn't it be reserved for the most dangerous individuals who have committed the most egregious crimes? If you can't apply it to a mass murderer who shoots up a school full of kids in cold blood, what is it for?
    I was thinking legal angle, not moral.

  21. #246
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    Registered: Feb 2001
    Location: Somewhere
    you guys talk and talk and consider, then talk some more, but we all know nothing aint gonna change. Heres to 2021 upcoming gun thread, I salute you.

  22. #247
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    Registered: Feb 2001
    Location: Somewhere
    that is if ttlg is still around in 3 years cos you know, guns

  23. #248
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    DAMN, most here are so far left that they make Bernie seem like a righty
    in the real world

    gun control does not work people. no matter the bubble you live in.

    lefties

  24. #249
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    You do know that dividing people up into convenient left/right groups isn't going to do shit for anybody, right? Right now, you have loads of angry people vs. loads of angry people. Without any serious dialog between these two groups, all we're going to end up with is a perpetual see-saw application of reactionary, kneejerk laws that serves to do nothing but antagonize those with a vested interest in the issue.

    As long as discourse is relegated to a bunch of meaningless memes, and people self-righteously shouting freedom and security into their respective wind tunnels, all you can expect are an ever escalating set of useless, feel-good gun laws placed right alongside an ever rising school kid body count.

  25. #250
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    Why have any laws at all when you can just give everyone a gun?

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