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Thread: The Decline of the Debate and the Rise of the Far Left and Right

  1. #476
    VA Governor declares a "State of Emergency"

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/79666...-pro-gun-rally


    Keep in mind that the instant Democrats take over at a national election they'll be pushing this at a national level, and What's going on right now in Virginia will play out on a nation wide scale.

  2. #477
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    BLOOD ON THE DANCE FLOOR, YALL!

  3. #478
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    HOLY SHIT!

  4. #479
    Member
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    General Anthony McAuliffe had a one word reply that fits on two levels here.

  5. #480
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    Don't make me google shit, Tocky. You know how I hate doing research.

  6. #481
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    Location: In the flesh.
    Nuts.

  7. #482
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    You know, that was a not so subtle hint asking you to explain the joke.

    BUT WHATEVER! I GUESS I'LL JUST LOOK IT UP!

  8. #483
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Okay, now I get it.

  9. #484
    Member
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    In the nuts?

  10. #485
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    It smacked me right square in the, and I didn't even notice!

  11. #486
    So...It's been awhile but I"m waiting for info to filter in.

    Thankfully nothing happened which I'm grateful for. I was very concerned because accelarationists on both sides had a strong incentive to attempt to start something at the event, and there were some parallels to Charlottesville where the event was organized by a relatively shady character who is a known shit-stirrer.

    Some info from various attendees:


    - There was a huge amount of social media posturing:

    The amount of attention getting is absurd. It's astronomical. Everybody livestreaming or glued to their phones. It's like the actual purpose of the event is secondary but everyone's cause du jour is their social media circle jerking. There was one guy walking around with a banner for whatever b.s. he was peddling online shouting "anyone livestreaming? I could use some free advertisement". Shit you not. And then someone had built this wooden guillotine thing and were putting it together there on the spot. Come back not even 2 hours later they're already taking it down and breaking it off in pieces to give away as souvenirs telling people to subscribe to some assclown senator candidate. It's a fuckin joke. It's like everyone's there with their phones stuck in their faces shamelessly selfying away or have it shoved in someone else's face in vain attempts to increase their social media followers. 2nd Amendment be damned I just want that ad revenue! Everyone's focused on themselves and their shitty little instagram niche in hopes of probably getting laid or turning a buck.

    - The event was massively on Lockdown

    Cops everywhere you looked. Spotters and snipers on rooftops, choppers overhead. Don't know if they were media or police choppers; probably both but there were so many i was more worried about a mid air collision and helicopter chunks raining down on everyone than a false flag attack. Speaking of cops though there was a lot of support of towards the cops. A couple times I'd seen guys approached officers to shake their hands and both times I heard the officers say something to the effect "we're with you" or "we're on your side".
    The shills were spotted

    I was told that there were some guys who stood up and shouted things trying to incite a riot like "Who is ready to storm this bitch and start a revolution!?!?!?". These people were shouted down, called shills, and told to GTFO. A lot of the crowd was the "cammo n' pickup trucks" crowd who are uh.....not exactly the brightest part of the grassroots right wing so if even they can spot this that's a good sign.

    Crowd Size US corporate media is trying to downplay to 10,000, foreign state owned media (notably RT) is trying to overstate and is putting out 100,000. More realistic crowd size estimate was 50,000. For reference the largest ANTIFA rally I've been able to validate was 1,200 in Portland. This number is especially notable because the consensus opinion seemed to expect that there would be violence of some kind due to either right wing, left wing, or government agitators. That was the number that showed up IN SPITE of believing that there was significant risk involved.


    The right wing has learned a less that is extremely dangerous: show up armed. I'm seeing significant chatter to the effect that the right wing has now noticed that the moment they start showing up to events while heavily armed ANTIFA becomes a non-entity and the government just backs down and lets the protest go on unimpeded. ANTIFA had rallied and bussed in a large number of names (they were even checking names on boarding points to ensure control over who attended) and none of them wanted anything to do with this event. Expect right wing rallies to increasingly involve large numbers of armed attendees because the perception now exist "if we bring guns they leave us alone".

  12. #487
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...e-duty-troops/



    More than one-third of all active-duty troops and more than half of minority service members say they have personally witnessed examples of white nationalism or ideological-driven racism within the ranks in recent months, according to the latest survey of active-duty Military Times readers.

    The poll surveyed 1,630 active-duty Military Times subscribers last fall on their views about political leaders, global threats and domestic policy priorities. It offers a troubling snapshot of troops’ exposure to extremist views while serving despite efforts from military leaders to promote diversity and respect for all races.

    The 2019 survey found that 36 percent of troops who responded have seen evidence of white supremacist and racist ideologies in the military, a significant rise from the year before, when only 22 percent — about 1 in 5 — reported the same in the 2018 poll.


    Enlisted members were more likely than officers to witness the extremist views (37 percent to 27 percent). Minorities were significantly more likely to report cases of racist behavior than whites (53 percent to 30 percent).

    Overall, troops who responded to the poll cited white nationalists as a greater national security threat than both domestic terrorism with a connection to Islam, as well as immigration.





    White supremacists in the ranks
    Cassie Miller, a research and investigations specialist for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said the Military Times poll findings should not come as a surprise.

    “Historically, this has been a problem for the military,” she said in an interview. “We’ve been pushing the Defense Department to take this issue more seriously since 1986. There are certain parts of the white power movement that value military experience and are often recruiting there.”

    Miller said the problem has grown in recent years as groups with goals advocating violent insurrection have begun pushing more extremist agendas.

    Earlier this month, an Army veteran and member of a neo-Nazi group was charged with trying to illegally transport weapons along with a Canadian Army reservist into Virginia for a gun rights rally. The former soldier was identified as a member of The Base, a small militant group espousing Adolf Hitler’s ideals while preparing for a race war in America as part of its ideology.

    Brown, whose Army career included a deployment to Iraq, said he expects the climate survey questions to put additional emphasis on the issue, hopefully bringing awareness to military leaders about problems within units that have gone undetected by leadership.

    “I continue to believe the U.S. armed forces are a real model for diversity and inclusion, and a place of opportunity for men and women of all races,” he said. “But there are still obstacles, and we have to look to continue to make improvements.”

    Lawmakers also included language in the annual budget policy bill mandating a study into new ways to screen and identify recruits with racist or extremist views, to include coordination with the FBI and outside experts monitoring hate groups. That report is due this summer.

    In the poll, about 46 percent of troops surveyed rated white nationalists as a significant national security threat, slightly higher than domestic terrorists with a connection to Islam (45 percent), and significantly above immigrants (28 percent).

    Slightly less than 2 percent of poll respondents offered unprompted comments that black-on-white racism is a bigger problem facing the military than white nationalist groups, or that reports of white supremacist viewpoints in the military is only a media hoax.

  13. #488
    Taking the Death Toll
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: they/them mayhem
    This thread regularly makes me feel like I'm having a stroke.

  14. #489
    Moderator and Priest
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    Good stroke or bad stroke?

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  17. #492
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    Location: In the flesh.
    LOL. I don't know about Bernie accomplishing all that but the Trump side of it is fairly accurate.

  18. #493
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: The Land of Make Believe
    I'm not a socialist, I'm a social and economic liberal, but it's really ludicrous how much baggage that term has in America. Sanders is essentially a mainstream social democrat; it's the Diet Coke of socialism, and a world away from the socialism of the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela. Yet there must be a good quarter of the country who see the man as basically a communist.

  19. #494
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    It doesn't help that Sanders had taken a liking to the term in the past, and batted his eyes at leftist factions and figureheads in Central and South America, like Chavez, and the Sandinstas. Basically, he's a moderate left New Dealer who likes to portray himself as some radical iconoclast putting a thumb in the eye of American imperialism, and his rhetoric is now coming back to haunt him.

  20. #495
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by SD View Post
    I'm not a socialist, I'm a social and economic liberal, but it's really ludicrous how much baggage that term has in America. Sanders is essentially a mainstream social democrat; it's the Diet Coke of socialism, and a world away from the socialism of the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela. Yet there must be a good quarter of the country who see the man as basically a communist.
    Try to explain this to the masses.......

  21. #496
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    It doesn't help that Sanders had taken a liking to the term in the past, and batted his eyes at leftist factions and figureheads in Central and South America, like Chavez, and the Sandinstas. Basically, he's a moderate left New Dealer who likes to portray himself as some radical iconoclast putting a thumb in the eye of American imperialism, and his rhetoric is now coming back to haunt him.
    Don't forget Ochalan in Turkey
    Typical "radical" (guys, real radicals are the Machno anarchists in the '20, real radicals were Stalin's enemies! ) from the '90s.....the good old times when I was young and being @left I've NEVER trusted that "adoring" attitude.

  22. #497
    https://www.thepostmillennial.com/wa...tion-protest-2

    This one's darkly funny. Disclaimer that the link is mis-characterizing the protest but as far as I can occur the event of feminists accidentally firebombing themselves actually did happen.

    A viral video shows a protestor tossing a Molotov cocktail at the president's residency an attempt which swiftly backfired.

    The firebomb ended up hitting a feminist group. At one point in the video, a feminist protestor can be seen with her pants on fire before quickly being dowsed with a fire extinguisher.

    Tensions in Mexico remain high, as the country continues to go through social and economic woes. Gender-based violence is a particularly striking issue in Mexico, as an estimated 10 women are killed in the country each day. The government has been accused of inaction on the issue.

    City officials did say that the majority of the protestors marched peacefully. It was the masked-petrol-bomb-throwing radicals, officials say, that turned the situation violent.

    Seven people were arrested. Thirteen were taken to hospital, reports EFE news agency.

    Stupid games, and stupid prizes. People who don't know what they're doing have absolutely no business trying to incite violence and will just get themselves hurt.

    Don't forget Ochalan in Turkey
    Typical "radical" (guys, real radicals are the Machno anarchists in the '20, real radicals were Stalin's enemies! ) from the '90s.....the good old times when I was young and being @left I've NEVER trusted that "adoring" attitude.
    OK Tankie.

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