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  1. #1
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die

    Spiderman!

    Is no one playing this on PS4??!

    I don't have a PS4 (yet) but this is on my list when I do. I thought there were a bunch of people with PS4s and this is just out and getting good reviews. Was hoping for the TTLG hot take. henke?

  2. #2
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I'm playing it. It's a good game that does some things extremely well (the city, traversal, the game's personality). It also does the things you expect of an open-world game, but I think they're done in a way so you can easily pick up a few collectibles in between missions, rather than getting all OCD about it.

  3. #3
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    It looks pretty great, but I'll probably wait for a sale.

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the story once you're done with it, Thirith.

  4. #4
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I've spent most of my time getting around the city, since I love the feel of the game's traversal. I unlocked all the towers (yes, that trope) in the first couple of hours, but it didn't feel like a chore because unlocking them is quickly done and it's given me a feel for the controls. Being stuck on the ground in the next open-world game will feel like a major imposition.

    As far as the plot is concerned, I'm not all that far in, but it strikes me as standard MCU-flavoured comic book fare. (It's not connected to the MCU, but in terms of tone it isn't miles away.) The characters are likeable, and while I don't really know the Spider-Man lore all that well, my impression is that they mix up things enough to keep them interesting for the big fans. There's definitely a lot of fun to be had in the side mission conversations, as well.

    At this stage, my main problem with the game is that I need to unlearn my reflexes from four Arkham games. At a glance, Spider-Man's combat seems to do much of the same as the Batman epics, but the rhythms are different and the combat is altogether more athletic. It's not ultra-hard, but you definitely don't quite get by just mashing the buttons. For me, it's just the right amount of challenge (which means that it'll probably be too easy for many - but then I'm only playing it on the middle difficulty level).

  5. #5
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    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: above the clouds
    Jim Sterling liked it, and it looks like fun.



    Thrith - do you get the impression that the "busywork" is a bit dull as well? He commented that the fun combat even makes up for repetitive open world mission stuff.

  6. #6
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Just about everything I've seen of this game tells me it's going to be bright, undemanding, flashy fun - Spiderman's a good fit for Insomniac's expertise in that department. Plus it looks absolutely gorgeous.

    Looks like that critical mass of quality titles forcing me to get a PS4 is approaching - between Nu God of War, Uncharted 4/The Lost Legacy, The Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus, Horizon: Zero Dawn and this, my resolve is starting to crack.

  7. #7
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Watch Mojo numbered it the best Spider Man game of all time. I say it's too soon to say. Ask again in a year when people have had time to see everything with non-rose tinted glasses.

  8. #8
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    @scumble
    I’ve only played 5-6 hours, but so far I’d say the busywork is shallow but fun. It hasn’t started feeling like a chore, but it might still do so later. The game isn’t original, but it’s executed well and with personality. If you’re okay with that, it isn’t dull, but if you expect something novel or something that has depth, chances are you’ll come away bored. It’s like a great pasta dish - if you want pasta, you’ll like it, but it ain’t Guide Michelin haute cuisine.

  9. #9
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    Watch Mojo numbered it the best Spider Man game of all time. I say it's too soon to say. Ask again in a year when people have had time to see everything with non-rose tinted glasses.
    You know seeing through rose-tinted glasses means look back on something fondly, right? You don't look though them now and then discard them later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thirith View Post
    Itís like a great pasta dish - if you want pasta, youíll like it, but it ainít Guide Michelin haute cuisine.
    There are plenty of pasta dishes that make the Michelin grade! What are you even taaaaalking about? Some of the worlds best dishes are pasta dishes! Pappardelle al Cinghiale!!! Oh Dio!! What philistinous utterings are these!!?

  10. #10
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    You know seeing through rose-tinted glasses means look back on something fondly, right? You don't look though them now and then discard them later.
    What I was meaning was on how we all tend to get swept up in it all when a new game or movie comes out. Zomg best game ever type thing. Then later we're more able to look and give a more considered perspective.

  11. #11
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    Registered: Aug 2012
    Location: Taffing in a pub
    I'm playing Spidey too, nearly at the end and want to get the Platinum for it but those crime side quest's are a bit too much but apart from that I'm really enjoying it a lot!

    Just think Saint's Row 4 was a lot better...

  12. #12
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I'm about halfway through the plot and I'm still enjoying it a lot. The plot is engaging, the characters less black-and-white than you'd expect, and getting around New York never gets old. More than a bunch of open-world games, it's constantly playable and at least for me has never felt like a string of chores with the occasional high point.

    It's also got a photo mode that, if you're into those things, is pretty damn cool, I'd think. I'm not really a photo mode guy, but it seems to be one of the better example of its kind.

  13. #13
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here

  14. #14
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    That looks awesome .

  15. #15
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I'm approaching the end now, and I'm still enjoying Spider-Man a lot. There are things that are frustrating, in particular some of the later enemies, but on the whole the game is challenging but fair. Web-swinging never gets old and IMO the game is tremendously well polished and balanced so that the difficulty ramps up at the same rate as the new toys you get, so you end up with more different ways to tackle escalating challenges. I'm also enjoying the story and storytelling; the characters are engaging and the story balances the inherent over-the-top cartoon stakes and the more human element well. Peter Parker comes across as a genuinely nice guy that you enjoy hanging out with, and his quips are well judged, so he doesn't end up feeling smug or smarmy. While the game isn't linked to the MCU, I would say it has a similar sensitivity as the best MCU films in how it presents its hero as both heroic and human, and the main villains are better than your average MCU villain.

    Also, there is a Spidey suit in the game that is so perfectly done it makes me go squee! even after I've been playing with it for hours - and I'm saying that as someone who's not all that invested in Spider-Man in his various incarnations. (You can check out what I mean here, but some might consider this a spoiler, albeit not a plot spoiler.)

  16. #16
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Just finished the game this morning and I have to say I really, really liked it. On the one hand, it's a pretty conventional open-world superhero game, on the other I think it handles all its individual aspects well and some it does brilliantly. The storytelling is very good - if you have any affinity for superhero narratives (you need to accept that there are certain tropes, obviously) - and the characters engaging.

    There are games that are rough around the edges but they get one or two things so right they become classics. That's not what Spider-Man is. If anything, it comes at being a great game from the other side, but IMO it succeeds beautifully in doing so.

  17. #17
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    That's pretty high praise. I wasn't expecting you to be that taken with a (*snort*) superhero game, so I'm definitely swinging a little harder towards adding it to my library when I get a PS4.

  18. #18
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Landahn
    I presume you've played some of the Arkham games, Thirith? How does this one compare, ultimately? Would you say it's the Marvel equivalent?

  19. #19
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    @Sulphur: Hey, I'm one of those culture snobs who include pop culture in their snobism. I'm actually a pretty big fan of the MCU - not uncritically so, but I find a lot to like about the genre if it's done in a way that does the characters justice. I've also enjoyed quite a few superhero games, which leads me to...

    @N'Al: I've enjoyed all the Arkham games, more or less. I even didn't mind the Batmobile sections in Arkham Knight. There are definitely similarities, in particular in the combat, but Spider-Man's combat is less on rails, more mobile and more of a challenge. In Arkham Knight I'd die because the combat is so mechanical I'd lose concentration; in Spider-Man I'd die because I wasn't good enough. Also, I found Arkham City and Arkham Knight's side activities to become much more of a chore than Spider-Man's; now that I've finished the story, I want to go back and finish things, whereas with the Arkham games I lost interest after the storyline was done.

    There's definitely the DC vs Marvel thing that'll play into whether people will prefer the Arkham games or Spider-Man. I like the lightness of touch that Marvel often has - which ironically makes me care more about the stakes than the brooding Grand Guignol of the Batman stories. If someone generally prefers the DC style, I'm not sure Spider-Man would win them over, but as a game I'd consider this one more cohesive than the more "everything including the Batkitchen Batsink" approach of the Arkham games. Mind you, I quite like the neo-gothic aesthetics of the latter (even if I could do without the rather teenagey visual depiction of female characters), but in either case I'd say that the aesthetics of either game fits that particular universe.

  20. #20
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Mark Brown's recent video on Spiderman is good stuff (as usual).


    (spoilers for missions start at around 6:00, if you're worried about that)

    He also brings up how it compares to the Batman games. I don't have a problem with combat in Batman being so easy though, mainly because if anything it only makes me feel more like Batman. Batman would have an easy time beating the snot out of a bunch of random goons, so it's appropriate that the gameplay conveys that. The fights in it still get properly challenging by the end of the game though, so it felt well-enough balanced.
    Last edited by henke; 13th Oct 2018 at 07:58.

  21. #21
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    That's actually a Mark Brown video I wasn't too keen on, because in it he seems to presume that every kind of interaction in a game needs to be challenging. Personally, I don't think Spider-Man would've been improved by the kind of changes he suggests, and they would've been an outright bad match for the story the game tells.

    Edit: Also, I didn’t dislike the Batman combat, but I didn’t particularly like it either, especially the way you snap to enemies ten metres away. It was fun in terms of mechanics, but it also felt very mechanical, like the game was sliding Batman across the area so he’d be in the right place.
    Last edited by Thirith; 13th Oct 2018 at 08:42.

  22. #22
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Landahn
    Thanks, Thirith.

    Personally, I do prefer DC's characters somewhat to Marvel's, the villains in particular! There's no denying though that DC's run in the film space has been far less successful than Marvel's recently, resulting in a bit of ill will towards the characters, maybe. (Having said that, Marvel's latest, "Venom", is meant to be very sub-par.)

    When it comes to games, though, Marvel never had a truly outstanding title in the way DC had with the Arkham series, imo, afaik. Seems like they now do.

  23. #23
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    Venom isn’t a Marvel Cinematic Universe film, mind you, just like the X-Men and Fantastic Four film’s aren’t MCU. The rights to the Marvel characters are distributed onto various production companies - though with Disney’s hunger for acquisitions, some of them may join the Avengers universe before long.

  24. #24
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    True enough, but with the recent acquisition of Fox, you can count on the X-Men to be integrated into the next MCU opportunity that makes sense (which is probably around the time the current crisis crossover is done). A shame they won't have Hugh Jackman's Wolverine for it, but the torch had to be passed at some point.

  25. #25
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Landahn
    Venom is still a Marvel film with the Marvel name on it, MCU or not. The MCU has had an amazing run, no doubt (The Incredible Hulk was fucking rubbish, though), but my favourite Marvel films recently have been outside the MCU, actually - Logan and Deadpool.

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