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Thread: TDP20AC Mission Lost Among The Forsaken (11/30/2018)

  1. #26
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    Registered: Apr 2011
    Location: Montpellier, France
    Nothing, they're just potential distractions.

    EDIT: looking at the reply below, I realized this was the wrong mission. oops!
    Last edited by skacky; 10th Dec 2018 at 20:19.

  2. #27
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Quote Originally Posted by ticky View Post
    What to do with the two hammers? They are throwable and not useable.
    Drop them into the "first" and "second" tombs nearby, opening the path as the riddle says.

    - prjames (just finished this insanely awesome, crazy mission)

  3. #28
    Member
    Registered: May 2005
    Location: Full on Kevel's mom
    What the hell is a truther anyway?

  4. #29
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2007
    Location: Krull Island, in the pub
    Finished this one on highest difficulty.

    Very nice ruined city design, much work put into it. Looks really-really great. However hard to navigate at times. Maybe that was intentional.

    Undead is a challenge. The superfast burning zombie was a really wild idea, glad that there's only one of it. Thieves and hideouts nicely interrupt the undead style here and there. Because of the relatively agressive and respawning undead, I found myself wanting to exit as soon as possible after getting the right arm of the Saint instead of looking for more loot. But maybe that's my preference of missions and not really liking where the most part of the level is undead.

  5. #30
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    Registered: May 2005
    Location: Full on Kevel's mom
    Absolutely stunning! Loved this mission and loved your use of sounds! Solid 10 for atmosphere. Definitely recognizes some Garrett gags and coughs sped up for a new scary AI!

  6. #31
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Location: THE NETHERLANDS
    Where can i find the book,i know it's in the city somewhere and i have to look up,but i can't seem to find it.
    loving it to play thief gold after so many years....

  7. #32
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: UK
    Quote Originally Posted by griswold View Post
    Where can i find the book,i know it's in the city somewhere and i have to look up,but i can't seem to find it.
    loving it to play thief gold after so many years....
    You need to search in an area occupied by scrappers/thieves in the Coghill Market & Depot area of your map. I think the look up clue maybe only helps you to get into the area - not to actually locate the book.

  8. #33
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: UK
    Excellent mission with a wonderful intricate, dark and abandoned TDP type city - plus a nice tense atmosphere. Finished on Expert with a good 1500 loot left to get so I wonder if I've missed a key area? The fast zombie swordsmen and the fire zombie were tough adversaries and the submerged zombies in some of the water areas were always a scare.

    Didn't find a use for these items left in inventory - have I missed a side quest or two?
    • Sapphire Vase
    • Ancient Fire poker
    • Antique Bracelet
    • Old Rosary
    • Hilrem Pendant
    • Old Maester Medal


    Thanks for a great mission.

  9. #34
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    Registered: May 2010
    Location: THE NETHERLANDS
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagittal View Post
    You need to search in an area occupied by scrappers/thieves in the Coghill Market & Depot area of your map. I think the look up clue maybe only helps you to get into the area - not to actually locate the book.
    thanx,found it

  10. #35
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    Registered: Aug 2008
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagittal View Post
    Didn't find a use for these items left in inventory - have I missed a side quest or two?
    • Sapphire Vase
    • Ancient Fire poker
    • Antique Bracelet
    • Old Rosary
    • Hilrem Pendant
    • Old Maester Medal
    I believe they're special items to fulfil the contract you can buy on the loadout screen

  11. #36
    New Member
    Registered: Sep 2015
    I've finished this mission today and I have to say there were only few times I was ever this immersed when playing Thief FMs. Stunning visual and sound design. There is one thing I didn't enjoy nearly as much though.

    Scrappers' hideout area has 4 possible entry points (I'm not counting the gate), 3 of them being very close to each other. Assuming you enter through one and exit through another, checking out the others means going through the area you've already been to possibly twice. Even keeping in mind the surprises some of the routes had in store it still was disappointing, at least to me.

    There's a similar situation with Medwick Tower area which has 4 or 5 ways to enter. Here they're a bit more interesting and spread out but exploring all of them still means doing loops around Medwick Tower. Personally I'd find it more interesting if some of them instead of leading to the tower featured some small area with loot at the end, even if that would mean having to do some backtracking on the way back. For example the east side entry where you use a rope arrow could end with an attic just showing you the tower area through a window. Sewers are for the most part not very interesting from the map design perspective because they don't lead to any areas you can't access in other way.

    In general this mission focuses on the multi-routes design the moment you enter Old Quarter proper. It no doubt was an intentional decision by the author(s) and I've seen some people being very happy about having a setup like that in other missions, so it's possible I'm even in the minority not liking this approach. Time constraint was also a thing so maybe some compromises have had to be made.

    All of that being said, the individual areas' level design and architecture were very good which still made traversing the map very enjoyable.
    Last edited by czyys; 14th Dec 2018 at 15:37.

  12. #37
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    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Swiz View Post
    I believe they're special items to fulfil the contract you can buy on the loadout screen
    Thanks Swiz - I hadn't realised the significance of the contract item at loadout and so didn't buy it. Good excuse to go back and replay!

  13. #38
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2011
    Finished in 2:38 and with 3565/4790 loot (I guess there's a ton hidden away in nooks and crannies that I didn't find! I didn't explore the area around Medwick Tower very much, thanks to the fire zombie and the fire spirits that were rather too free with their fireball spells.

    I loved the setting: a great take on the ruined Old Quarter, although rather harder to navigate than The Haunted Cathedral. The lack of meaningful streets either on the map or in the architecture (and finding the two often seeming in conflict) kept me pretty confused about what was where and the distances between places. I kept my compass out pretty much all the time, or I'd have been exceedingly lost! Loved the idea of the place being used as a dumping ground to get rid of inconvenient evidence, and that scrappers were present still looting the area was great. Were any of the zombies around supposed to be ex-scrappers? I couldn't really tell.

    I left the primary objective until last which turned out to be a good idea: discovering that even more enemies had spawned in the areas I'd already been would've been quite frustrating if I'd been still searching for the six old artifacts with no clue as to where they might be (are there more than six? I found a number of items, and don't really know which counted towards this objective and which didn't. I think I had eight misc named items in my inventory by the time the objective was completed!) Obviously I'd taken the scenic route getting to the tower, because on the way out it took me almost no time to get back to where I started!

    The puzzle in the catacombs gave me a little trouble because I was expecting all four tombs to need items. I thought the rosary would be the Holy Blessing item, but couldn't drop it. Then I read a hint here and all was good. Incidentally, I only used the one Ancient Hammer, because I picked it up (and the book) immediately after dropping them, but the way was opened anyway! — three more old artifacts for Garrett to sell, I suppose ^_^

  14. #39
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    Registered: Jun 2000
    Location: Land of enchantment
    I finished in Expert. This could be the best undead mission I have played in terms of tension and immersion. The architecture was true grit. The labyrinthine map, with lots of vertical and water content, was tough to navigate. The 2-D map image was not very helpful except for general directions. All that confusion was part of its charm. I played half the mission ghosting, but that became too frustrating for me. After ghosting the fast, fiery, and tough thing (what was that?!) a few times, I decided to blow him up with a mine, and then I began a BJ / sword-slashing run from there. With all the ghosting and back tracking, I put in 6 hours clock time over three nights, with appropriate memory lapses in between. It was satisfying to find all six contracted ancient items. I missed 1295 loot including the serpentile torq I had read about, but I could not locate that house.

    Thank you very much for this fine mission!

  15. #40
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2018
    Location: Poland
    All that is good in this mission has already been mentioned by the others, and I do agree with them :) This is another "Shining Pearl" AMONG the FMs and I like it very much :) Actually I love every square centimeter of this FM ;) What I said about "Whistling..." is also perfect match for this one: Level design is stunning, amount of details - enormous. I love this kind of space-efficiency. Map seem to be huge, yet it is clever packed at not very big space area. There is always something interesting to see in every direction after taking a few steps forward :) Superb feeling. When maps are created like that, You forget about an objectives for a longer moment of time and just keep exploring area to search for loot, other items and to enjoy the beauty of the created map/level :) When that's happen, You know the map is GOOD :) Fabulous work.

    Many vertical ways, many rope spots, many possibilities, hundreds of hundreds of crannies and nooks - gorgeous map ;) This misty/foggy thing at water surface looks great ;)

    Is this green half-transparent Keeper have some purpose? or he's just for show? Maybe he's lost? and need help to find Keeper's Compound? :) Anyway I don't remember any secret Keeper's doors. I was trying to speak with him even BJ him :D but new objective(s) never appeared. If I sword him down I failed no-kill objective, so he is definitely a person, not a ghost.

    It is really bad that Old Mill is not reachable... or it is? but I just didn't find the way? :) It looks faded on a map :( Will there be a version 2.0 in the future with this additional district?

    Six of the relics is required for Baron, but It should be Bonus Objective where found all of them. I found 8, is there 2 more to a round 10? Maybe after adding Old Mill if there isn't? ;)


    There is only ONE complaint from my side, but it is BIG, FAT, HUGE, ABNORMALLY GIANT and this thing is UNACCEPTABLE ;) However, it does NOT affect my assessment/rate in any way ;P Loot spoiler possible, so... beware:

    I found two pieces of loot at the beginning, but those who didn't succeed with them will be screwed if they already fulfilled other objectives... They will NEVER find them because mission ends immediately after reach top of ladder... Why? May I asked?...

    I love the way how always Skacky deals with it. You are starting at the "2 square meters" building's recess/niche and this LITTLE square or rectangle surface is where You are ending the mission. You know the EXACT point of end and just don't step into it if You are still doing a loot hunt or just because You don't want to end the mission yet. Why couldn't be so in this case?



    {spoiler inside spoiler=ON}

    The candle is probably reachable if You are fast and if You know where to fly-into, but time will probably not allow for the cup, and mission will end permanently :( This is unfair and dishonest for those players who don't know about this mission's behaviour and still hunting for 100% of loot. They will probably assume that there is no loot UP HERE (if HERE mission ends), and they will be searching at underground FOREVER, therefore they will never reach 100%...

    {spoiler inside spoiler=OFF}

    There is a perfect building's niche at start, so I really don't understand why mission is not ending at this point. The same, where it's started.



    After 6 hours and 09 min (cheatty end-stats says: 3h 57min), zero kills, but I had to BJ 2 Scrappers :( - Servant and Guard. They were blocking the doorway :( They just stood still one by one. No move, no conversation. Is it intentional? Maybe they are start patrolling when player comes from other direction? There is more routes to them which I didn't found while playing at this point of time (found them (routes) later). Only 4025 of loot found. Awesome adventure :) I want more such like this ;)
    Last edited by Mat99; 4th Jan 2019 at 21:40. Reason: typo correction
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    sorry for my very bad english :(

  16. #41
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    Registered: Sep 2008
    Location: Deutschland/Germany

    This one brings back good ol' OM memories.

    Played it on hard in 3 hours, but grabbed only 3740/4790 though I could swear that I was everywhere at least two times!

    Wasted a lot of water arrows to get rid of those fire men but after all they always reappeared. Loaded back a save then.

    In the thieves cave I didn't find the key(s) for the wooden doors but I could open them with the sword.
    Last edited by zappen; 29th Dec 2018 at 10:37.
    My FM campaigns Garrett's Young Years XTra, Reunion With Basso
    Want your upcoming FM translated in foreign languages?

  17. #42
    Member
    Registered: May 2009
    Location: Germany
    What an amazing level of most delicious desolation !

    I am in awe ... and have still lots to explore.

  18. #43
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2008
    Location: Santiago / Chile
    Fantastic mission. I have just 5 relics, where are the others, I've been in all map many times but no clues.
    Last edited by caqo; 27th Dec 2018 at 11:26.

  19. #44
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    Registered: May 2005
    Lost Among The Forsaken lives up to its title in the sense that I felt really lost for the first two hours - in the very best way. I love missions with in the Sealed Quarter with lots of vertical climbs and hidden passageways. One constructive piece of criticism: I got to the tomb of St Lucard quickly and had no problems with the first three steps of the puzzle, but then I was missing the Builder's scripture. I searched the catacombs and found nothing. The next logical was to search in the ruins of St Lucard proper. That's were Builder's scripture must be, right? I think I wasted about an hour trying to find the item among the ruins. Nothing. I felt exhausted and a bit frustrated, so I checked this thread for hints: Way back at the Scrappers? Are you kidding me?!! I had never been there because I had taken a different path through the Sealed Quarter. Having to backtrack all the way to the start to retrieve one item needed to solve a puzzle deflated the momentum this mission had had until then. If the Builder's scripture had been somewhere in the general vicinity of St Lucard and not in a location far away on the other side of the whole map, that would have improved my experience a lot.

  20. #45
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2011
    I stuck: I stand in front of two street signs. Abberton directs to the left Sullengate to the right. but i can't find a further way . the wodden gate is closed and the for iron gate i haven't a key

  21. #46
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2011
    Nobody an idea ?

  22. #47
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2006
    You're across the metal bridge on Abberton Street near the beginning? This is mission with a lot of vertical space so if you can't find a way on the streets, you can look in all sorts of directions for something to climb or rope to. Anyway to progress and open those iron gates (and some others) you need to get into the nearby power station. The key you can find near those thieves at the beginning will get you in.

  23. #48
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2009
    Location: WearyTaffer
    Great FM! Another mission that could have been in the original game! Love the twist of having a group of thieves with their HQ in an Old Quarter style environment!

  24. #49
    Member
    Registered: Jul 2005
    Location: Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMax View Post
    Go back to the streets. Search the houses and most importantly, don't forget to look up.
    I've done this. I've looked up, down, and all around but no scriptures. Would someone please provide the specific place? Thanks!

  25. #50
    Master Builder 2018
    Registered: Jan 2008
    Location: The lovers the dreamers and me
    This mission was so thick with atmosphere.. had fun all the way through. Very creative and surprising AI.. one could hardly believe you worked within the T1/G confines for this mission. My heart was beating fast with fear many times.. very nice work on this. I would recommend this HIGHLY : )

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