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  1. #1
    Thing What Kicks
    Registered: Apr 2004
    Location: London

    OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE

    So this idea hit me the other day while I was checking to see what the worst rated games on Steam currently are.
    Do you own any of the games rated "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam, and if so, have you played any of them?
    If you own one or more but haven't played them, I challenge you to play one!

    So to find the worst rated games on Steam:
    1: Click the magnifying glass icon next to the search box on the store page. This opens an unfiltered list of all games on Steam.
    2: From the Sort By drop-down menu, choose User Reviews
    3: At the bottom of the list, click the very last page. You'll see the orangey-red thumbs-down icon displayed next to games. Somewhat surprisingly, there are only about 4 games rated Overwhelmingly Negative, but 2-3 pages of games with thumbs-down icons, and the icons start appearing on page 1640 (as of the time of writing).

    There'll be some DLCs listed, so for the purpose of this exercise, ignore those, but otherwise you should be left with the following games:
    (N): Negative (VN): Very Newgative (ON): OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE
    My First Music Workshop (N)
    Art of Murder - The Secret Files (N)
    AXE:SURVIVAL (N)
    Gun Range VR (N)
    Escape from here (N)
    Space Launch Engineer (N)
    Lucky Night: Poker Games (N)
    Aware (N)
    Raycatcher (N)
    Bunker 58 (N)
    Fading Visage (N)
    Voodoo Chronicles: The First Sign HD - Director's Cut Edition (N)
    Last Defense (N)
    Heroes in the Sky-Origin (N)
    Horse Racing 2016 (N)
    Fray: Reloaded Edition (N)
    Love is Blind: Mutants (VN)
    Abandoned Knight (VN)
    Pro Rugby Manager 2015 (VN)
    Farming Giant (VN)
    World Truck Racing (VN)
    Epic Space® (VN)
    28 Waves Later (VN)
    World Ship Simulator (VN)
    LEFT ALIVE™ (VN)
    Prison Tycoon 3™: Lockdown (VN)
    Vigil: Blood Bitterness™ (VN)
    Pro Gamer Manager 2 (VN)
    Airline Tycoon 2: Gold (also Airline Tycoon 2 standard addition appears further down the list, so rolling it in here) (VN)
    Godus Wars (VN)
    Z.I.O.N (VN)
    The Tower (VN)
    Professional Farmer 2017 (VN)
    World Of Leaders (VN)
    Patterns (VN)
    VERGE:Lost Chapter (VN)
    Airport Simulator 2019 (VN)
    Age of Survival (VN)
    Citadels (VN)
    Agricultural Simulator: Historical Farming (VN)
    Front Page Sports Football (VN)
    World Basketball Tycoon (VN)
    Towtruck Simulator 2015 (VN) (come on, you KNOW henke has this!)
    Game Tycoon 1.5 (VN)
    Skyscraper Simulator (VN)
    Construction Machines 2014 (VN)
    Race to Mars (VN)
    Jurassic Island: The Dinosaur Zoo (VN)
    Spacebase DF-9 (ON)
    Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight (ON)
    Flatout 3: Chaos and Destruction (ON)
    Airport Simulator 2014 (ON)
    Last edited by Malf; 30th May 2019 at 06:46. Reason: Updating listings

  2. #2
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: flapping in the wind
    Strange, for me there are only six Overwhelmingly Negative things listed, everything else is Very Negative. Civilization VI - Vikings Scenario Pack is the only Overwhelming thing I own, and I didn't even know I owned Civ 6! I do have Godus Wars so maybe I'll try that later. The comments indicate that the low score might not be indicative of the quality of the game as much as people being annoyed at Molyneux. Anyway, fun idea, wish I had more terrible games!

  3. #3
    Thing What Kicks
    Registered: Apr 2004
    Location: London
    Ah, my mistake, I was assuming everything with the thumbs down icon was Overwhelmingly Negative. Even so, I'd be interested to hear opinions on anything with the thumbs-down icon.

    So to put my money where my mouth is, of that list I own Spacebase DF-9 and Godus Wars.
    Both have essentially never being finished.
    Of the 2, I have played Spacebase DF-9. I did play a bit of vanilla Godus, but have never been inclined to play Godus Wars.
    Spacebase DF-9 showed promise, and I was looking forward to a cross between Dwarf Fortress and Startopia, but it got abandoned by Double Fine, so no-one ever got a chance to play an unfinished version. I may re-install it when I get home to see if it's actually bad or simply unfinished.
    But even unfinished, I wouldn't say it's the worst game I've ever played. That accolade goes to either S.W.A.T, a £1.99 game I picked up for the Spectrum way back when, or Postal 3, which I'm surprised to see hasn't made the list.

  4. #4
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Can I propose another small addition to the thread, on top of what the OP is asking for?
    I think it'd be fun if people played their lowest rated game and gave a little review or commentary of it.
    And they can find their lowest rated game by following Malf's instructions, moving up page by page until you see the first game that has the little icon indicating that you own the game.
    That way everybody can play along.

    The absolute "worst" games I've played would be glitched fan made missions or some Itch games, something that definitely wouldn't make the cut for Steam.
    Some of them were pretty amazing as bad games though, like the way Big Rigs is.

    Anyway, I'll have to come back to this thread over the weekend to follow my own advice.

  5. #5
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    A better way is to go to https://steamdb.info, log in, click on "Products" on the left-hand side, and sort your library by rating.

    The lowest-rated thing I have is still Twin Sector. It was... eh. Not that awful, but fairly unmemorable.

    Next one after that is Dawn of War III, and that one well deserves its low rating.

  6. #6
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    The only one I have from that list is C&C 4. A spot well deserved on the list.

  7. #7
    Thing What Kicks
    Registered: Apr 2004
    Location: London
    Is it really that bad? I thought even the worst C&C game would have some redeeming qualities?

  8. #8
    Member
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    No, it can't be that bad, it seems to have gotten fairly good reviews elsewhere. Probably just C&C fan boys and girls being overly dramatic and silly with their zero point "reviews".

    Quote Originally Posted by 'ChristianP.' on Metacritic
    This is the worse game EVER!!! I thought red alert 3 was garage i stand corrected muliplayer sucks you play caputuring these control nods and first team to get to 2500 points wins... theres no room name changing theres no teams nod and gdi together.. there is no merging.. doesnt make any sense then game is about merging together as one but on muliplayer your seperated this is garbage i wish i can sell my digtial copy for 5 bucks too many bugs dont buy stay away another game EA messed up i hate EA.
    That's why I don't usually pay too much attention to user reviews of sequels in "beloved" franchises, and there are a lot of other examples like that on Metacritic. Proper game critics might be annoyingly pretentious at times, but at least they don't usually let their emotions and zeal cloud their thinking this much.

  9. #9
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Quote Originally Posted by Malf View Post
    Towtruck Simulator 2015 (VN) (come on, you KNOW henke has this!)
    As I was looking through the list I certainly did perk up on reading the words "towtruck simulator", but no, not even I've picked up this one. Judging from reviews it has BAD TOW TRUCK PHYSICS, which is a big no-no for me.

  10. #10
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    No, it can't be that bad, it seems to have gotten fairly good reviews elsewhere. Probably just C&C fan boys and girls being overly dramatic and silly with their zero point "reviews".
    This is what we get when people don't do their research.

    For the record, the game is hated as it ditches all of the gameplay standards from all other games (in the RTS vein of C&C). The game was intended to be a completely different game entirely but had the C&C name and FMVs thrown in at the last minute.

    Building up a base - Gone
    Resource collection - Gone
    UI - Completely different to all other games in the series.
    Gameplay feel - Completely different

    Replaced with a game where you travel around in a mobile base where you have to pick the class that it will be at that moment in time. This determines what you can build. It has nothing in common with all prior games in the series. So that's not fans being overly dramatic. They COMPLETELY changed the gameplay. It failed due to that. I'd suggest doing your research next time. Games in established franchise live or die based on making good games. C&C 4 is a terrible game. Hell even if it wasn't a C&C game (which it never should have been) it would still be terrible. Don't believe me? Go play it then. We shall be waiting.

  11. #11
    Level 10,000 achieved
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Finland
    Umm, icemann, everything you just wrote reinforced Tomi's (and my own) assumption that it's not about the actual quality of the game, but that it simply wasn't what C&C fans wanted.

  12. #12
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Feel free to go play it then . I dare you.

  13. #13
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    That's not the point, though. Is the new gameplay bad, and if so, detailing what the problems were apart from 'IT'S NOT CLASSIC C&C HUAGHALUGH' would be nice.

  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Any franchise that does the same = the same outcome. Say Street Fighter was suddenly a sports game, Doom is changed to being a racing game. If you change the formula, your game is not going to sell well. Especially in C&C 4's case as they did it in a sequel, rather than a spin off. If it'd been a spin off, that would have been completely different. Same thing goes for films as well.

    Sulphur - To get the answer your looking for, you'd need to have someone who is not a fan of the series, play it, which presents a catch 22, as why would someone enjoy it if they don't like C&C-like games. I don't know anyone who likes it, so I can't refer you to them either.

    Note that I'd read all the reviews prior to playing it myself. I set my expectations at rock bottom and did my best, but after 15 minutes I just couldn't stand it and uninstalled it after that. And I detailed what about the game was bad in the last paragraph of my post above. If that is not enough and you want more detail, then we shall just have to wait until another person who has played it, posts of their experiences. In my case, I played it so long ago, that I've blanked the game from my memory (save for the bits I mentioned above), much like a bad film in an established franchise.

    What I will say though, is that it's for similar reasons to why I hate Fallout 4. And just like Fallout 4, if it had been it's own game under a different name then fate would likely to have been kinder to it, but as it was released under that name then people are going to have expectations of what would be in the game. Be like, if you had a Tetris game that wasn't about clearing lines of blocks. That's not Tetris then. You may say, well what's wrong with the game though? And get the response "They called it a Tetris game, but you don't clear blocks. That's not Tetris." I feel the same on C&C 4.

    With all of the above said, I get that that is not the type of answer that you are looking for. You are looking for an in depth analysis of the game itself, name taken away. That's not how I look on games sorry. Nor movies or other literature for that matter. So I will pass the batten to another who has also played the game.
    Last edited by icemann; 31st May 2019 at 02:28.

  15. #15
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    It looks like you're saying this: anyone who's a C&C fan can't decouple their C&C nostalgia goggles from their face to look at C&C 4 with a smidge more objectivity. This is unfortunate if true, because it means that polarisation towards extremes is the only meaningful form of expression for fans.

    I don't think we're living in a world as unfortunate as that, though, even if that type of communication is the norm.

  16. #16
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    Judge the game by what it is - not what it ought to be.

    Or in other words: do not judge it by what it is not.

    That is my two cents of the blatantly obvious and useless smart-assery over with.

    Distrust of any scoring scheme is why i get the majority of my games by looking someone else take a look / play it. It is the only way to find out what the game actually is and whether that happens to be what i like. Still does not prevent some occasional regrets though - not to mention goodies skipped without ever finding out that i did.

    It is hard to judge games. Even the worst piece of shit is probably exactly what someone seeks for.

    Would be interesting indeed to hear some comments of the worst one has tried out in its library. I don't have any :/.

  17. #17
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    See my edits to my post above.

    As for other games in my library that were really bad (this is going to be super subjective to the individual):

    * E.Y.E - Divine Cybermancy - This is nothing but a glorified Half-Life 2 mod, that they had the balls to charge for. They even left one of the original Half-Life 2 turrets in the game at the start with a different texture applied to it. They were that ballsy. I played this for about an hour. Got to a long hallway against an enemy with a rocket launcher I think, and it all just looked and felt meh. I really wasn't enjoying it, as the "game" just didn't excite me. Was nothing about it that was fun. Uninstalled.

    Checked the rest of my library and it's fine.
    Last edited by icemann; 31st May 2019 at 02:43.

  18. #18
    Thing What Kicks
    Registered: Apr 2004
    Location: London
    So I reinstalled both Godus Wars and Spacebase DF-9 last night to give them a look. Didn't get around to playing any Godus Wars, but I fired up an old save for Spacebase.
    Probably not the best idea, as I had no idea what was going on, so I think I might start a new game this weekend. But first impressions were actually quite good!
    It's very pretty, which I suppose is to be expected from a Double Fine game. The interface is quite clear for this type of game, and is well animated, feeling snappy and responsive.
    Overall, certainly not one of the worst games I've ever played. And from looking at the Steam forum associated with it, it looks like the community have been releasing unofficial patches that expand gameplay, so I might have to give those a look.
    I'll post some screenies when I get the chance.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by zombe View Post
    Judge the game by what it is - not what it ought to be.
    Also judge it by what it claims to be.

    Baldur's Gate 3 is being teased by Larian Studios, and if BG3 turns out to be a Tetris-clone game with no story does it not deserve a negative reception even if it's a good Tetris-clone?

  20. #20
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Ireland
    As a counter-point to the discussion about sequels, Dawn of War II changed the premise of the game entirely from the first game. The first is a classic RTS, while the second is a squad-based tactical game with more RPG elements.

    Yet, despite some fans being obviously annoyed, Dawn of War II still has a positive review score (85% positive over its lifetime, 70% in recent reviews), because it's actually still a good game with the same high quality as the first game had.


    Compare that to Dawn of War III, which is sitting at ~45%.
    That one was just so badly-designed and with such low production values that it was rightly panned by pretty much everyone.
    The writing, story, and voice acting were awful. The unit designs and gameplay loops were bad. The levels were poorly designed and the campaign was boring.


    Both games stirred up the formula of the previous game significantly, being more like spin-offs than direct sequels. But Dawn of War II was still a good game, and got a high review score regardless of it not really being a proper sequel to the first game, while Dawn of War 3 got terrible reviews because the game itself was bad.

  21. #21
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    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    If a series is not that far along then sure thing. But there had been 6 games prior including Red Alert's in there.

    I'm still divided on which is the better game out of DoW 1 & 2. DoW for me felt more like the tabletop (despite the video game setting), due to all the expansions which added new races / factions. Where as DoW 2 finally added the Tyranid's, has a pretty good story and is quite solid. Plus the first DLC for it (Chaos Rising) was excellent.

    And for the record, just because everyone else may hate a game, does not mean that I'm going to immediately hate it. I really enjoyed The Bureau - XCOM Declassified despite all the bugs. It's a spin off as well, so it's change of gameplay style is fine.

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Voice View Post
    As a counter-point to the discussion about sequels, Dawn of War II changed the premise of the game entirely from the first game. The first is a classic RTS, while the second is a squad-based tactical game with more RPG elements.

    Yet, despite some fans being obviously annoyed, Dawn of War II still has a positive review score (85% positive over its lifetime, 70% in recent reviews), because it's actually still a good game with the same high quality as the first game had.
    There's one factor you forget to mention, DoW1 was closer to an older style of tabletop WH40k and more standard RTS games while DoW2 was closer to the tabletop WH40k style at the time of its release.

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    It looks like you're saying this: anyone who's a C&C fan can't decouple their C&C nostalgia goggles from their face to look at C&C 4 with a smidge more objectivity. This is unfortunate if true, because it means that polarisation towards extremes is the only meaningful form of expression for fans.

    I don't think we're living in a world as unfortunate as that, though, even if that type of communication is the norm.
    Fan boys literally can not do that because they've tied their sense of self into the brand. Ergo, any failings of the brand or attacks on it feel like they're impacting their own personal sense of worth on an emotional level: https://www.gamesradar.com/psycholog...-professional/


    That said the hate for C&C4 was justified. The actual gameplay was terrible and the story failed to meaningfully follow up on what had been set by the series to date.

  24. #24
    PC Gamering Smartey Man
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    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: New Zealand
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    Proper game critics might be annoyingly pretentious at times, but at least they don't usually let their emotions and zeal cloud their thinking this much.
    Oh please, you see examples of game journalists getting into their feelings and going into moral panics every other week.

    It hasn't even been a month since a couple reviewers were upset over playing "another gruff white male" protagonist in Days Gone; another couple were raging over him having an affectionate pet name for his wife, "old lady". There was pearl clutching over there being child zombie enemies too.
    Last edited by EvaUnit02; 1st Jun 2019 at 15:55.

  25. #25
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    What about all the moral panic and pearl clutching that happens any time any reviewer dares to criticise, well, anything? "Game reviewers are saying what they think in a review, what has the world come to?" I had no idea the new generation of gamers were such precious snowflakes to not be able to handle an opinion about a game. But I guess this is what you get when all your news come from "one angry gamer".

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