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Thread: Arkane's Deathloop

  1. #51
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Are you really using an anecdote about local physical sales to make a point about global sales figures?

    In any event, pure immersive sims generally don't sell too well, so I wouldn't doubt that Bethesda might have issues with the financial success and overhead of Arkane's games along with their general approach to populist entertainment.

  2. #52
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Land of the crazy
    Dishonored 2 reportedly sold 2.5M copies. Not sure about Prey. That may be too small of a market to support a full-blown AAA title with latest/next gen graphics and an army of playtesters to make sure it's polished and bug-free. But it shows there's still significant demand for this type of game. The question is how to make them financially viable. Things that have been tried so far include tiered pricing (special editions etc.), DLC, spin-offs, loot boxes/upgrades, microtransactions. Those are all about how to squeeze more money out of players for the same game.

    But what about making them cheaper? Would fans still buy them if they had circa 2010 graphical detail and some lack of polish? Another idea that's been discussed several times but never really tried is episodes. Eidos Montreal was going to try that with Deus Ex, but unfortunately made The Fall a mobile game, hoping it might reach a bigger audience, but the opposite happened. Personally, I'd be willing to pay $20-30 for 10-12 hours of new content every year in episode form, but I might be in the minority.

    And now we have Deathloop, which I'm hoping is like a short imm sim, except designed to be replayed a lot. We'll see how it goes.

  3. #53
    New Member
    Registered: Aug 2016
    Location: The Real America.
    I know this is a pipe dream, but if Arkane slaps a map maker with this, I'd be in constant immersive sim ecstasy

  4. #54
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    But what about making them cheaper? Would fans still buy them if they had circa 2010 graphical detail and some lack of polish?
    I've mooted that as an option in some of the many, many conversations we've had in GenGaming about the state of the ImSim. I don't think hyper-detailed current generation art is a must-have, and the most obvious solution is to pare back the art budget and allow for more creative systems instead if you need to make development costs more realistic.

    The episodic model is interesting, but I don't think it'll quite overcome consumer antipathy, because one of the problems is the amount of time you wait between each episode. The Hitman games tried it, and I think they've managed to be successful with it, but only because there's a steady dripfeed of stuff at a regular clip, which I'm sure is hard to do as a developer. It also intersects unpleasantly with the GaaS way of doing things; not that there isn't a good way to do that, but the spectre of microtransaction-enabled nonsense is hard to shake off.

  5. #55
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    But what about making them cheaper? Would fans still buy them if they had circa 2010 graphical detail and some lack of polish?
    I don't particularly want Arkane to go this route, but I wouldn't mind seeing a mid-sized studio attempt games like Neon Struct but with the mechanics/levels/audio fleshed out more.

  6. #56
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    Registered: Aug 2002
    Location: Maupertuis
    Incidentally, if things go very poorly for the studio in the coming decade, "Arkane's Death Loop" would be a great name for a Youtube documentary about its decline and demise.

    ...That joke may have been too dark.

  7. #57
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror

  8. #58
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Everything I see about this makes me feel like it's a cross between Dishonored and Underworld Ascendant.

  9. #59
    Member
    Registered: May 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Dishonored 2 reportedly sold 2.5M copies.
    Hmmm... that seems enough for me to keep doing what they do. But, what do I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    But what about making them cheaper? Would fans still buy them if they had circa 2010 graphical detail and some lack of polish?
    I'd absolutely do that. No-brainer. I'd even pay full price, if the content is right, just like it has been in Dishonored and Prey. Graphics are absolutely sceondary for me. What counts is atmosphere, gameplay, and games which don't bore me to death in terms of lore.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    Everything I see about this makes me feel like it's a cross between Dishonored and Underworld Ascendant.
    It looks surprsingly like Dishonored actually... for a shooter.

    It also looks like something I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole though...

    Tough times if you like the kind of games Arkane did in the past.

  10. #60
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    Everything I see about this makes me feel like it's a cross between Dishonored and Underworld Ascendant.
    So what you're saying is that, even beyond its closure, they're still on track for replicating every step of LGS's output

  11. #61
    PC Gamering Smartey Man
    I <3 consoles and gamepads

    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: New Zealand
    Delayed to Q2 2021. Probably for the best since Arkane haven't been able to launch a stable (Dishonored 2 PC) and/or feature complete game (Prey PS4) for a good while.

  12. #62
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here


    I, for one, think taking a page out of Hitman's murder puzzleboxes is a great idea.

  13. #63
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    I don't get it. Who is a player, who isn't?

  14. #64
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    Clearly, everyone at that party is.

  15. #65
    PC Gamering Smartey Man
    I <3 consoles and gamepads

    Registered: Aug 2007
    Location: New Zealand
    From that trailer it sounds genuinely dope, but building a game for speedrunning reeks of game design accounting for GaaS shenanigans. In what ways will big papa Zenimax force them to monetise?

    EDIT:
    Ahhhh, Invasion PvP. Skins for days then.
    How does the multiplayer work?

    Think Dark Souls. Other players can drop into your game, taking on the role of rival assassin Julianna Blake. That's definitely sure to throw a wrench in your plans for the current loop.
    You can keep online play turned off, Bethesda says, in which case Julianna is controlled by AI. Her goal is to hunt Colt down to keep him from breaking the loop, so you'll want to keep an eye out for her even if you're playing offline.

    https://archive.vn/exvoF
    Did they ever get around to patching in the advertised Invasion PvP into Doom Eternal?
    Last edited by EvaUnit02; 19th Sep 2020 at 05:54.

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