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  1. #1
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    Do i suck at this game?

    Im playing the thief games for the first time even though i knew about it for years. Im playing thief 2 and i like it alot ao far.

    But i took alot of time to complete the first two missions. Like, ALOT.

    4 Hours 58 minutes 23 seconds for mission 2. Adding in the (maybe) dozens of loads, im going to say double that.

    Not like i truly care, as im going to enjoy playing through this game regardless, but is that just too mich time for a mission? I feel really inefficient and bumbling at this game.

  2. #2
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    Registered: Sep 2007
    Location: Leipzig (Germany)
    Do not rush! Each level has its own architecture that you first have to get to know. Then it will be easier.
    Use the search function in the forum, if you do not get further. The quickest way is to search for walkthroughs. Since some people have already made a lot of effort and created PDFs.


    //... aus dem Weinkeller gefaxt mit einem Novizen-S5 //

  3. #3
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    Registered: Sep 2019
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Sahnebacke View Post
    Do not rush! Each level has its own architecture that you first have to get to know. Then it will be easier.
    Use the search function in the forum, if you do not get further. The quickest way is to search for walkthroughs. Since some people have already made a lot of effort and created PDFs.

    //... aus dem Weinkeller gefaxt mit einem Novizen-S5 //
    Trust. I take my time in this game. Even to a point of backtracking through rooms or areas i know i've combed through.
    Just trying to know what the standard time to play through the mission is.
    Ill look through a guide if i get stuck. I was proud to know found most of mission 2's 14 secrets by myself.
    But i restarted soooo many times.
    Ill get used to it, rhough.

  4. #4
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    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: Lille, France
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman88 View Post
    Just trying to know what the standard time to play through the mission is.
    There's no "standard" time!

    Every player has his/her playing style. Some like to rush and tear everything apart. Others are a tad more subtle and stealthy.

    As for me, I'm in the middle style, depending of my mood. Generally, i use the blackjack than the sword. I use the sword against the undead, they are... dead anyway.

  5. #5
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    Registered: Feb 2006
    You lucky thing! I would love to be playigng for the first time again. Take your time. Enjoy it. Exploring and searching for loot and secrets; not knowing what you're going to find around that corner; opening books and listening to conversations; learning about the lives and secrets of the inhabitants of the City. That's all what makes it so damn good. Don't use a walkthrough unless you really have to. You can always look online for the secrets and loot you missed after you've had one run through.

    Have fun!

  6. #6
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    Registered: Sep 2019
    Quote Originally Posted by PJMaybe View Post
    You lucky thing! I would love to be playigng for the first time again. Take your time. Enjoy it. Exploring and searching for loot and secrets; not knowing what you're going to find around that corner; opening books and listening to conversations; learning about the lives and secrets of the inhabitants of the City. That's all what makes it so damn good. Don't use a walkthrough unless you really have to. You can always look online for the secrets and loot you missed after you've had one run through.

    Have fun!
    God bless and thanks! Im on mission 3 and just ran away from gaurds yet again, escaping down into that well in the courtyard that leads to the basement. Doong a expert run. Pretty hard i must say, but im liking it alot so far.

  7. #7
    I'm curious -- is there some reason why you didn't start with The Dark Project? As it is, you're not experiencing the story in chronological order...

  8. #8
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    Registered: Sep 2003
    Location: Cambridgeshire UK
    I didn't, either. The free demo I first came across was for T2, so that is where I started. Because of that I much prefer it to T1 which seems too unreal in comparison. (The mission I like least in T2 is Trail of Blood.)

    I can understand why people who started with T1 prefer that. The first exposure to the game is the one that counts.

  9. #9
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    I also started with Thief 2 (or, more accurately, with the "Life of the Party" demo, then the full game) and prefer it, but by the end of it I simply needed more Thief and was happy to play the first one, even if there are many things I liked better about the second one. I don't think it ruined anything for me.

  10. #10
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    Registered: Sep 2019
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    I'm curious -- is there some reason why you didn't start with The Dark Project? As it is, you're not experiencing the story in chronological order...
    Started with t2 because i have limited time with videogames. So I just picked what i heard to be the best in the series.

  11. #11
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    Registered: Dec 2018
    Location: Germany
    But there are also people who find the first part better.
    Just for the understanding and the story, you should play it from the beginning. :3

  12. #12
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman88 View Post
    Started with t2 because i have limited time with videogames. So I just picked what i heard to be the best in the series.
    You chose... poorly.

  13. #13
    It's true that some prefer the first (myself included, which was partly why I asked the question) and some prefer the second, and it's likely true that the game you played first factors into that (as, relatively speaking, the two games do have some notable differences). If you're only a handful of missions into Thief 2, I would genuinely encourage you to set it aside and fire up The Dark Project and see how you enjoy the first few missions of that. If you're digging TDP, then definitely carry on with that one before returning to Thief 2.

  14. #14
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    Registered: Oct 2013
    I started with T1 and it was one of the best PC game experiences I had had. Then played T2 and didn't like it that much for some reason. Also missed the undead and weirdness and Hammerites.

    However my second playthrough of T2 about two yearss later was another one of my greatest PC game experiences of all time.

    Hopefully, whichever order the games are played, you'll get at least one top ten experience out of it

  15. #15
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    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA, Earth
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    You chose... poorly.
    Very

  16. #16
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    Registered: Sep 2019
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    You chose... poorly.
    Did i, now? I just heard thief 2 was a big enhancement over the first with added features. So i decided to start with that.

  17. #17
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    Registered: Sep 2019
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    It's true that some prefer the first (myself included, which was partly why I asked the question) and some prefer the second, and it's likely true that the game you played first factors into that (as, relatively speaking, the two games do have some notable differences). If you're only a handful of missions into Thief 2, I would genuinely encourage you to set it aside and fire up The Dark Project and see how you enjoy the first few missions of that. If you're digging TDP, then definitely carry on with that one before returning to Thief 2.
    Im on mission 4 right now, trying to firgure my way out through this city maze. I like what im pmaying for now, and as i said, ive got limited time for games. Didnt know that the first games story would beat out the second by that far.

  18. #18
    ZylonBane
    Registered: Sep 2000
    Location: ZylonBane
    You can finish both of these games over a long weekend. It's not like you're playing Skyrim.
    Last edited by ZylonBane; 7th Oct 2019 at 18:48.

  19. #19
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    Registered: Sep 2008
    Location: Slovakia - Zemplín region
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman88 View Post
    Im playing the thief games for the first time even though i knew about it for years. Im playing thief 2 and i like it alot ao far.

    But i took alot of time to complete the first two missions. Like, ALOT.

    4 Hours 58 minutes 23 seconds for mission 2. Adding in the (maybe) dozens of loads, im going to say double that.

    Not like i truly care, as im going to enjoy playing through this game regardless, but is that just too mich time for a mission? I feel really inefficient and bumbling at this game.
    The best advice I can give you as a later newcomer is to not rush, be observant and try to methodically "clear" a room or hallway first. (Put out the lights, blackjack the guards, etc.). As you gain more experience, you can bother with trying to be super-sneaky (ghosting), without incapacitating guards, and so on. But first learn the overall ropes, certainly. If you're low on arrows, especially ones useful in a particular mission, try to save them for later, but don't hesitate to use them in a clearly tough spot. (Concerning equipment, you can think of Thief as a bit of a puzzle game in addition to stealth. Your gear can modify parts of the environment, you just have to think it over where and when is the most opportune use.)

    Concerning the movement control mechanics, you can never have enough leaning from behind corners, with the two leaning keys (should be Q and E, right above WASD, unless you've remapped them). Since you're playing Thief II, the Scouting Orb is a fairly excellent gadget to spy on guards and civilians from an area which is hard to comfortable lean from without being spotted.

    I can certainly see how the second mission took you a while, it's pretty big and with loads of extra stuff for just the second mission. There will be a few more expansive ones in the second game, but much of the earlier missions are a lot less "got to explore it all" and a bit more straightforward, even if you have to do a lot of exploration. For example, the police station mission (coming up) won't feel as long-winded and potentially as drab and samey as the warehouse mission, especially if you want to complete all the goals and find all the loot. At least you'll have a much more visually varied and even exciting mission to look forward to. Later in the story, there's also a really cool bank mission, which is real heist masterpiece.
    Last edited by Petike the Taffer; 7th Oct 2019 at 19:09.

  20. #20
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    Registered: Oct 2019
    Location: Poland
    Quote Originally Posted by ZylonBane View Post
    You chose... poorly.
    I greatly prefer Thief 2 for pretty much everything (setting, better graphics, more equipment like scouting orbs and flares, way, way more interesting levels, more urban areas taffing, including all the mansion missions, less zombie-filled horror themes, which made me quit the first game at some point because i'm a chicken (yes i know i should give it another chance))

    But honestly... that's just me and saying that someone choose poorly is nonsense when it comes to something subjective like this. They don't necessarily have the same taste.

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