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Thread: ☣ Coronavirus ☣

  1. #2926
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    It seems it could be both a risk factor and a result. Especially since being infected once does not confer immunity.

  2. #2927
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand

  3. #2928
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    It seems it could be both a risk factor and a result.
    So having a cardiac event increases your risk of infection?

    Pray tell how?

  4. #2929
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    SJ: I was confusing risk of infection with risk from infection.

  5. #2930
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

    Another new vase with no known trace.


  6. #2931
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    I think we're all going to have to resign ourselves to the fact that this will keep happening, because there's always going to be a probability of people fucking up in any given population until we have something like a vaccine.

  7. #2932
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    All we know at this point is that 4 people from the same family (including a toddler) are infected. The family have no link to any travel or with any links to primary infection sourced (airports, docks, quarantine hotels)

    It's in my home town with family there now and I'm on the other side of the country. To say I'm worried/anxious is an understatement.

  8. #2933
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    I hear you, it's a pretty worrying situation, can't minimise that. However, given that we can't move around, the next step is to ensure everyone acts as responsibly and safely as possible -- easier said than done, I know. We can't do much except ensure we're limiting contact as much as possible regardless of how 'safe' everyone feels they are. And in my own family, we have at least one member who gives exactly zero fucks about that because he doesn't want to be cooped up at home.

  9. #2934
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    On 30th July 2020 SD said:

    Quote Originally Posted by SD View Post
    And I think it's dangerous to assume that cardiovascular injury is a result of infection rather than a risk factor for it.

    I mean, if we looked at all the people who have died with covid, then deduced that old age is a consequence of the infection, it would be self-evidently ridiculous.
    We still have no explanation for the emboldened section.

    I'm still waiting.

  10. #2935
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2003
    Location: Darmstadt, Germany
    Russia Approves Coronavirus Vaccine Before Completing Tests

    According to news on the radio, Putin's daughter has also received the vaccine.

  11. #2936
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    I see that Russian Roulette is still the national sport.

  12. #2937
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Large scale testing, public release, what's the difference, really?

  13. #2938
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    In Soviet Russia, the vaccine tests you!

  14. #2939
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2001
    Hah, standard eastern devOps approach, testing in prod environment

  15. #2940
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    We can't do much except ensure we're limiting contact as much as possible regardless of how 'safe' everyone feels they are. And in my own family, we have at least one member who gives exactly zero fucks about that because he doesn't want to be cooped up at home.
    Hah! Within minutes of the announcement, supermarkets that were open late were getting an influx of customers panic buying. Thank goodness New Zealand makes it's own toilet paper. I've still got yeast and some flour. So I can keep my mind busy baking.

  16. #2941
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    On that subject. They were speculating on the news here that the new outbreak may have come from infected freight. I can't see any other way since no'ones travelled to/ from overseas recently.

  17. #2942
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    That's scary. Well, it's scary to me precisely because it's unlikely - it contradicts most evidence on its spread.

    More likely, IMO, is low-level infection. A few leaps of people with few or no symptoms can go a long way and be undetected for a long time.

    But, if you want something even scarier... It could've gotten into the bat population, and then spread out and eventually back to humans. If that happens - and don't think it couldn't, bats are like that - it's truly here to stay.

    In other news... A tale in two headlines:

    June 19th LIST: Bars, gyms among facilities allowed to reopen on Oahu on Friday
    https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...n-oahu-friday/

    August 10th Experts: COVID-19 is spreading in Hawaii at a faster rate than anywhere else in the nation
    https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...e-else-nation/

    Almost exactly three weeks (2 weeks for infection to progress, 1 week for the trend to be established).

  18. #2943
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    Speaking of mysterious surfacing of the virus. One of the fully random antibody testing study ended giving some hard facts. Don't have it handy, but can still convey some of the points - just without the numbers.

    Many people never had any symptoms, but clearly were infected. They, with a bit of research, were able to infect others - but to a much-much smaller degree (ie. 0-1 infections over time - up to weeks).

    I would say that gives ground, with a bit of luck, for the virus to stay hidden for very long time - even multiple months (even a mere 1 hop can be enough to stay hidden for an entire month!). That matches with our experience too as, before the recent flareup (*), there were plenty of new cases were no likely source could be found. I bet some of thous were from thous numerous hidden (and rarely reinfecting as the study shows) ones and not just due to contact tracing limitations.

    *) Explosion in cases has been prevented so far and there is reasonable hope that it can be managed - at least we seem to be back to single digit cases per day (from peak of 22). IF that holds. Still a long way back to the much more confortable 0-2 cases per day we had.

    edit. Speaking of the recent flareup: nightclubs are a terrible idea it seems (surprise, i know). Currently there are 37+21+19=77 cases traced back to just three nightclubs.
    Last edited by zombe; 13th Aug 2020 at 03:28.

  19. #2944
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    On a positive note, observational data is starting to pretty strongly suggest that mask wearing makes for milder cases when you do get it:

    https://link.springer.com/content/pd...20-06067-8.pdf

    This isn't terribly surprising, as dose-effects are well-known in virology. Basically once you're infected, your immune system starts mounting a response and the virus starts replicating exponentially in a sort of race. A larger dose gives the virus a head start.

  20. #2945
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Don't let the MAH RAIGHTS group see that.

    Or indeed our own SD.

  21. #2946
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    14 new cases. *sigh*. At least they are from the same group. Now we've found out that they have been out of the Auckland and down to one of our touristy hot spots. We're going to pull a Victoria, Australia if this keeps up.

  22. #2947
    Moderator
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    We're getting 300 a day in this city, and we're still considered one of the "lucky" countries. 14 is not the number where you start sighing.

  23. #2948
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Don't let the MAH RAIGHTS group see that.

    Or indeed our own SD.
    In Tennessee they’re trying to make it so people who refuse to wear masks can be prosecuted for attempted murder the same way people who spread AIDS are.

    Maybe we could extend that law to people like SD who are maliciously trying to kill more people by discouraging mask use.

  24. #2949
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Saying "Tennessee is trying to..." is a gross exaggeration. One Nashville Metro Council member stated she believes refusing to wear a mask in public should be treated as such, but it hasn't been taken up as an official policy.

  25. #2950
    So?

    It’s a good idea and should be supported. And she’s a highly Respected member of the community with a lot of support.

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