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  1. #451
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Wait. You wanted to go to a Cher concert, and you're calling everyone else a bitch? At least you talked about tits before you said that...

    SICK BURN!

    But yeah, drive-ins. I'm hoping against all odds that they come back into style at some point. Right now, all I can do is live vicariously through Joe Bob Briggs, watching old reruns of Monstervision.
    Mike McCarthy who directed the horror intro I was in owns the Time Warp drive in on Summer ave. in Memphis. I wish some place less bullet dodgy and closer had one. Maybe the Corona virus has a silver lining and folks won't want to be in enclosed spaces anymore so some nut will build one. Yeah ole Joe Bob, how the hell is it that so much good shit died in the late nineties?

    My wife has loved Cher since she was a little girl yearning for glittery costumes and breasts. I have lately decided I don't actually dislike her myself and would like to see the spectacle. Let he who has never sung along with Half Breed (while alone in a vehicle) cast the first stone. If you get a chance or are on some Helen Keller kick check out the Muscle Shoals sound studio in Ala. where she recorded her first solo album. I was blown away by how many great songs were recorded there. Not hers... but stuff like Night Moves, Tonight's the Night, Kodachrome, Brown Sugar, When a Man Loves a Woman, Old Time Rock and Roll, Tell Mamma, and so many more. Just a little former casket show room where greatness happened. My cousin did a bit on it but he missed a lot and got old manny with his camera work though never the less alerted me to it. It's a holy place.



    Edit: Ah hell, you know I mean Cher's first album not Helen Keller's. Helen's place is just nearby. She never cut an album what with learning to speak by feeling people's throats and all. Musicians cut a lot of slack but not throat feely slack.
    Last edited by Tocky; 15th Mar 2020 at 01:54.

  2. #452
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    Location: The Plateaux Of Mirror
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    As of 3/14 we're at 2,759. This is exciting.

  3. #453
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    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    Muscle Shoals.
    It's amazing how nondescript that place looks. It's literally like every other old building off the side of the highway around here. Hell, it could almost be the place where I used to rent movies when I was a kid.

    Yeah ole Joe Bob, how the hell is it that so much good shit died in the late nineties?
    You know he's back on Shudder, right? He's running a show called, appropriately enough, The Last Drive In, which is a lot like Monstervision was back when, though with a tighter focus on late 70's and 80's horror flicks. I've watched a couple of episodes, and thought it was pretty solid.

  4. #454
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Sounds like we've got things under control.

    Hey, Nicker. I'd take one of those ass cleaners, but it looks sorta scary. What's it made out of?
    All natural sponge and renewable stick technology. I can get you some gently used and well rinsed ones for a super deal. I also have hand crafted, artisan toilet paper. Old family recipe made of 100% recycled newspaper.

  5. #455
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    Registered: May 2004
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    Why are socialist short on resources. ?
    Because of the fucking 1%. Same as it ever was. Have you never tripped over any human history while bouncing off the walls, mate?

  6. #456
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    You know he's back on Shudder, right? He's running a show called, appropriately enough, The Last Drive In, which is a lot like Monstervision was back when, though with a tighter focus on late 70's and 80's horror flicks. I've watched a couple of episodes, and thought it was pretty solid.
    I did not. I have to change up my TV viewing. Nothing worth a damn is on Direct TV anymore. The best horror is eighties horror.

  7. #457
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    As usual the entire conversation become everyone engaging in the #1 tactic political liars use: deflecting from and then ignoring the main point.
    And what was your main point ?

    But get a load of this, one of the guys on the committee believes all people should die by age 75.
    Was that your main point ?

    I read the column you linked. I'm not sure what generic point Emanuel is trying to get across. He mainly talks about himself. But what I see there is a guy who is scared to get old, and ill. He certainly does not believe that all people should die by the age of 75. He explicitly states he is against euthanasia (and suicide). He's not gonna commit suicide when he's 75. He's just gonna refuse serious healthcare if/when he needs it.

    But the most noticeable thing is: he only talks about himself. He doesn't even once suggest others should follow him. He also doesn't talk about laws or policies or anything like that. The issue of 1) duration of life and 2) quality of life at an elder age is an issue that has and is been discussed at many places and many times before. E.g. my dad (who is 80+) talks about this issue regularly.

    Maybe this is impossible to understand for Republicans. You can talk about how you want to live your life. And at the same time you can not say anything about how you think others should live their lives. Republicans (because they are Christians) always talk about what is the ethical thing to do. And they love mentioning that only they know what is ethical, because atheists have no religion and thus no ethics. (What?!?). I wrote that in NL 95% of Dutch people support our euthanasia-law. Of course it just the extreme religious conservative political parties that oppose the law. And as always, they want to put the law of their imaginary god upon all the other people. They can not imagine that different people have different points of view, and that the law should let people make their own ethical decisions.

    the text of the article is a basically a virtue signaling argument about why people should just be allowed to die one they're 75.
    No it is not. Absolutely not. But you seem incapable to make a distinction between someone who says "this is how I want to live my life" and "I want everyone else to follow my rules".

    So "alt right media" has nothing to do with this. I've literally just given you a link to a column penned by his own hand advocating 75 as the right age for people to die.
    Going from "Emanuel is afraid to be ill and needy when he gets old", or "Emanuel discusses the issue of duration of life versus quality of of life" to "Biden puts Dr Mengele in charge of healthcare" is *exactly* the type of spin that alt-right media put on everything. Everything.

    I don't know what to say anymore. It seems there is no point.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 15th Mar 2020 at 16:13.

  8. #458
    Previously Important
    Registered: Nov 1999
    Location: Caer Weasel, Uelekevu
    See that graph Jason posted? You're gonna have an easier time arguing with that than with TinyTony, Little Flower. Save your breath for birthday candles, because that guy is just spare parts from tip to tail.

  9. #459
    Buzzfeed obtained planning documents with instructions on what critical personnel should:

    This is why those of you who trust the government are idiots. They're doing themselves what they tell you that you shouldn't do

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...c-plan-protect


  10. #460
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    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night

  11. #461
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    I did not. I have to change up my TV viewing. Nothing worth a damn is on Direct TV anymore.
    I got rid of DirectTV awhile ago. These days, I'm all about the antenna, Netflix, and Hulu (and occasionally Amazon). All the movies and TV I want, for a 3rd of the price.

    The best horror is eighties horror.
    Yes. Yes it is.

  12. #462
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    My mother was a very devout Christian, Gryzemius, and was utterly bemused and deeply shocked by the public face of Republican christianity. But I'm sure there are many Republicans who have read about faith, hope and charity and not shoved them in the back of a drawer to be forgotten about. We just don't hear about them. Incidentally, shortly before she died, my mum was trying to work out how to get to Switzerland. But then her God was a merciful God and would understand that she'd had enough.

    jk has been banging on about 'flu and statistics with no apparent appreciation of the fact that he's talking about real people. It's depressing. So I'm posting this just for him: A letter from a Cardiff intensive care consultant.

    "It must be so hard listening to endless news reports that end with 'donít worry, this illness mainly affects the elderly, frail, vulnerable, or those with serious underlying health conditions'. What if that is you?" he wrote.

    "Our passion as an intensive care community is fixing problems that can be fixed. Yet we often meet patients like you who have problems that cannot simply be fixed.

    "As this virus continues to impact on the world, we will meet many more of you. Although we have fancy machines, powerful drugs, and talented staff, none of these things cure every disease. All they do is give us time Ė time to work out what is wrong, time to hopefully treat it, and time for people to get better.

    "But sometimes we already know what is wrong, we already know that there is no effective treatment. And so sometimes the machines offer little, intensive care offers no fix. But hope is not lost. We have not forgotten about you."

    "As difficult as this is, we will be honest. We will continue to use all of the treatments that may work and may get you back to being you again. We will use oxygen, fluid into your veins, antibiotics, all of the things that may work. But we wonít use the things that wonít work.

    "We wonít use machines that can cause harm. We wonít press on your chest should your heart stop beating. Because these things wonít work. They wonít get you back to being you.

    "And If these things are still not enough, we will sit with you and with your family. We will be honest, we will hold your hand, we will be there. We will change our focus from cure but most importantly we will continue to care. We have not forgotten about you."
    A little kindness, jk, would go a long way.

  13. #463
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Today situation in Lombardy (the deaths are LESS because they've discarded some of them - only 14 - as Coronavirus-related)



    1660 -> recovered
    4898 (!!!!) -> hospitalized
    732 (!!!!!!!!!) -> ICU

    Only in Lombardy



    The death machine is on......+252 deads today ONLY HERE WHERE I LIVE

    +368 Italy wide

  14. #464
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    Registered: Jun 2010
    Location: A Former Forest
    Nickie, you touched my heart with your last post. I am humbled.

  15. #465
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    What Bjack said. We need more Nickies in this world.

  16. #466
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    I read the column you linked.
    Then you did way more than Tony ever does. I used to do that. Now I, like everyone else, just assume the things he posts are unsubstantiated posits based on articles which prove his assertions wrong.

    It would appear that is the right wing way. They never expect anyone to read because they never do.

    Also it is good to see GBM has yet to contract rabies.

  17. #467
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    Wait. What? I thought GBM always had rabies.

  18. #468
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    A common misconception as he is known to eat the hearts of woodland creatures while still beating.

  19. #469
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    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    The situation in Italy is very troubling and puzzling - especially comparing to S. Korea.

    Korea [1]: 7194(~88%)=mild, 59(~1%)=serious, 834(~10%)=recovered, 75(~1%)=dead
    Italia [2]: 18931(~76%)=mild, 1672(~7%)=serious, 2335(~9%)=recovered, 1809(7%)=dead

    Without rounding, that is a consistent 8-9 times higher trouble case rate (both of the open and closed variants). This is especially troubling as Korea is recovering and it seems the trouble cases linger the most making the tail especially deadly in stats.

    I hope this is explained by the extensive testing done in Korea (ie. ends up finding and counting even the mildest of cases). I hope the difference in stats is from self imposed home quarantine or something to the effect.

    Because...

    Alternate explanation is that the European strains are already somehow nastier [3] (note that while the mutation tree is, obviously, on strong standing - exact location and time are not - duh). Korea and China strains are in the same pot - so, cannot say where Korea one has went. If we got something nastier - that would suck. So far - i doubt any of that has happened (most mutation do bugger all). PS. i would like the mutations to stay away from the "S" section (see in [3]) as that is what builds the spiky shell - it is needed for an effective vaccine. Which, of course, is being worked on.

    Third explanation (that does not make much sense either):

    TL;DR Italy somewhy does not use the recommended scientifically unproven treatments Korea uses - or there is some unexpected divergence of the presumed effect due to who-knows-what.

    First, COVID-19 (aka SARS-CoV-2) workings, 101:

    Normal:
    * cell nucleus sends out some thingamabob where it gets capped at both ends with some distinct delimiters.
    * using thous delimiters some other stuff recognizes the thing and uses it to produce some proteins to do what needs to be done.

    Hijack:
    * virus breaks into the cell and drops its strain - that also has the correct caps.
    * the cells legit stuff cannot tell the difference and produces what the virus strain tells to.
    * what gets produces is what actually does the replication of the virus.

    It is known that Zink messes that last part up really-really good. Why or how that happens is unknown, but that it does it is well known for many years [4]. Unfortunately, our body regulates Zink and - moreover - it is an ion (Zn2+) and therefore cannot pass cell membrane. Unless you got something to facilitate that passing - aka. a zink ionophore. There are quite a few things known that can do it. And they work ... in vitro [5]. That would be an huge help for troubled cases as if would pause the attack and give the body time to figure it out and defeat it.

    Since that stuff is known to work and has been used for years prior for other stuff - ie. side-effects known etc. Then it makes sense to use thous treatments. Sure. It should work, but does it? In vitro does not tell the whole story and the rest of the science is not yet in. Still worth doing. At least Korea thought so and gives recommendations to others to do the same [6].

    So, what does Italy do? Is there something different?

    Forth: health care system has collapsed. Erm ... no. Not anywhere to the degree it seems to be needed - not yet anyway.

    Fifth: any or all of the above.

    --------------------------
    [1] https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/
    [2] https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/
    [3] https://nextstrain.org/ncov
    [4] https://journals.plos.org/plospathog...l.ppat.1001176
    [5] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iaa237/5801998
    [6] http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/arti...tml?idxno=7428

    --------------------------
    PS1. In case anyone gets some funny ideas (there are multiple alternate treatment sets and i know at least one that has all components available over the counter, no prescriptions needed ... easy to find out too) - self medicating is a bad idea. We are talking messing with ions here - there are combinations of thous treatments known to me that clash (luckily, i think most of it is prescription only ... AFAIK) - known to cause arrhythmia and death. If you doc does not know you have messed with one - he might just accidentally/legitimately kill you with the other. Also, it obviously just hinders/delays the virus - which is useless if your body is not already fighting it. You kind of need to get sufficiently sick first.

    PS2. I am incompetent in everything covered in this post.

  20. #470
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    Registered: Mar 2005
    Location: Netherlands
    My company has decided that everyone works from home until at least the end of the month. Good call in my opinion, I will make sure to keep productivity up to normal standards in return for their responsible decision. I'm not going to do any personal stuff during work hours (and vice versa).

    The Netherlands are closing pre-schools and schools, bars/restaurants and sports facilities. All leaves are suspended for health care workers. I've seen footage from Spain which is much more in lockdown, and both cashiers and customers at the supermarkets wear mouth pieces. I suspect it's the same in Italy. I'd consider wearing them when I go to the supermarket, but I wouldn't know where to even get any. I have ordered light leather gloves online for going outside so nothing touches my hands outside and at the supermarket. Don't know if it makes much of a difference, but you never know. Maybe disposable gloves are better, but again, don't know where to get them.

    These are strange times, even my parents who are in their 70's admit to never having been through something like this. Take care and stay safe everyone!

  21. #471
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I got rid of DirectTV awhile ago. These days, I'm all about the antenna, Netflix, and Hulu (and occasionally Amazon). All the movies and TV I want, for a 3rd of the price.



    Yes. Yes it is.
    tenchisTV. love it at $13.

    Nickie. keeping it to the numbers just to try and keep the panic down a bit, I am well aware those numbers are loved ones to many and this is affecting them greatly.

  22. #472
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    https://abc7.com/6016086/
    shutting down non essentials.

  23. #473
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    Just an interesting observation... This is the first thing I can remember where every country (that I have a contact to, which is most of them) is obsessed about the same thing at the same time in the same way, from North America to West and East Europe to Latin America to the Middle East to North, West, East, Central and South Africa to Central, South, Southeast, and not least East Asia. (Edit: For our work I feel like Oceania is Southeast Asia-like, it's weird as a region, but anyway them too.)

    The only other thing that comes close is Psy's Gangnam Style, but that wasn't exactly dominating everybody's day to day life like this is.
    Last edited by demagogue; 15th Mar 2020 at 22:14.

  24. #474
    Shocking admission in a CNN article this morning: "Globalization made the world more vulnerable to the spread of infectious diseases, increasing the potential for catastrophic worldwide epidemics."

    Obvious point, but shocked it was printed by a globalist shill outlet like CNN.

  25. #475
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    So what do you suggest we do, Tony? Burn our airports to the ground, sink all our ships, and stick to the countries of our births? Coronavirus was spread primarily by vacationers bringing it with them as they traveled home from abroad. How do we punish these people for globalist hubris?

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