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  1. #576
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    You've never seen Men in Black? Bummer.
    So he doesn't know the one and only essential protip in life: search for the truth in the gossip magazine.
    Man, a wasted life.


  2. #577
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Sure, I've seen (all?) MiB movies. And Independence day too. I was exaggerating a little (which I normally never ever ever do). Those movies have been shown on Dutch TV so often, I've seen every scene a few times. Maybe not all scenes of a movie at the same time, in sequence. But over the years, I've seen the full films, I guess. The MiB movies are fun, I agree. Although I rather watch (a young) Lara Flynn Boyle than Will Smith. His acting is so over the top, that I am reminded every second of the movie that I'm watching a Will Smith movie. Not good.

    And some movies are just crap (I hated the "I, Robot" one. They bought the rights to the book, so they could use the title of the book as a film title. And then they made a completely different movie, that had nothing to do with the book. Bah).

  3. #578
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by jkcerda View Post
    I am making welcome pills for the looters in 12 ga
    JK, you nerd! If you want to fight looters, the best way to do it is to set booby traps in your front yard!

  4. #579
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Yep, just leave a primed grenade under that old engine block...

  5. #580
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    From what I've heard, there is only so much vitamin C a human body can absorb -- up to 200mg per day is absorbed completely, depending on the person. If you take more than that, the body will actually start doing worse at absorbing it and about 2 grams is supposed to be the safe limit that doesn't cause any side effects like kidney stones.
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Exactly.
    DO NOT OVERDO.
    And then there are reports like this:
    https://orthomolecular.activehosted....91130d6b6.148&
    He gave a bolus of 50,000 mg IVC (intravenous vitamin C) over a period of 4 hours.
    That's 50 *grams* of vitamin C in 4 hours.

  6. #581
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    It's a non-sense :|
    And a danger.

  7. #582
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Today in Lombardy:


    +320 death
    +45+320=+365 new patients in ICU since yesterday (if all dead persons come from ICUs) -> 924 ICUs only for Covid-19 (now the outbreak is 1 month old)

    I repeat: IN ONE DAY in the region with the best health care system in Europe.

    Complete data: https://lab.gedidigital.it/gedi-visu...agi-in-italia/ (feel free to translate)

  8. #583
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    Yep, just leave a primed grenade under that old engine block...
    No, that's a terrible idea. It's better to put it under a ham sandwich.

    That's a booby trap I invented. I call it The Hot Ham.

  9. #584
    BANNED
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    JK, you nerd! If you want to fight looters, the best way to do it is to set booby traps in your front yard!
    done
    (Meme removed)

  10. #585
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    That's the spirit.

  11. #586
    BANNED
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Completely false?
    Yes.

    What you linked to doesn't refute that. In fact it contradicts you.

    I've no beef with you, and you've done a great job on the reporting, but it's (almost) my duty to refute/correct scientific falsehoods and misconceptions.
    Last edited by SubJeff; 19th Mar 2020 at 14:55.

  12. #587
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Breaking News: Millions of Americans finally pull their head out of their ass and realize the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting.
    (Meme removed)
    https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-c...215237009.html
    Coronavirus: California prepared to enact martial law if its a 'necessity', governor says

  13. #588
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Yes.

    What you linked to doesn't refute that. In fact it contradicts you.

    I've no beef with you, and you've done a great job on the reporting, but it's (almost) my duty to refute/correct scientific falsehoods and misconceptions.
    As I said there's no immune response in time to stop the virus replication and avoid the killer inflammation process 'cause it's NOT the virus that kills you directly. It's the lung engulfment process due to the cytokines and happening in some individuals (related to age AND other specific features, it's why we have only SEVEN "young" deaths over 3000).
    The lungs literally deteriorate - fibrosis - and can't function properly no matter the infection is solved or not!

    There's no misconceptions here, the elders immune system does NOT respond in time to avoid the disaster, it's no use to say that in 40 y.o. people the immune system works. Of course it works, they can control the infection and all the direct and indirect consequences. It's a tautology. For young people this IS an influenza-like desease.
    Last edited by lowenz; 19th Mar 2020 at 15:26.

  14. #589
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  15. #590
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    As I said there's no immune response in time to stop the virus replication and avoid the killer inflammation
    No you didn't, you said there was no immune response at all.

    it's NOT the virus that kills you directly.
    No infection ever kills you directly.

    They all kill you as a result of something else. Ultimately there are only 3 causes of death - permanent cessation of the central, cardiovascular or respiratory systems.


    This is all irrelevant though, and the science behind it (unless you are actually working on it) should be far down everyone's list of priorities.

    The important thing is what we do about it now. And that, imho, is lock down in a similar way to Greece, France, Italy and Spain. I'm hoping that the UK is locked down asap, or at least London.

  16. #591
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    No you didn't, you said there was no immune response at all.
    Yeah, IN THE TIME OF NEED.

    There's no use of "days" (a week in elders?) if the infection activates a deranged cytokine response BEFORE the immune system can suppress the pathogen responsible of the infection.
    4 days for symptoms->hospitalization + 4 days for hospitalization->death (=8 days, the average time for the most severe cases with exitus where ICU can't help)
    Interstitial pneumonia can get you kill with NO MORE active infection at all.
    Last edited by lowenz; 19th Mar 2020 at 20:06.

  17. #592
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    Can someone explain why the idea of Herd Immunity makes any sense ?
    In this case there's NO immunity 'cause:
    ...
    2) Actually Coronaviruses seem to NOT wake up the immune system at all
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    As I said there's no immune response in time...
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    No you didn't, you said there was no immune response at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Yeah, IN THE TIME OF NEED.
    Lowenz, stop. We can still see what you originally wrote. You said there's no immunity because it doesn't wake up the immune system at all. Slow immune response time to a novel infection isn't what you wrote, and if it's somehow related, you haven't even tried to explain why.

  18. #593
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    I said coronavirusES

    Cold coronavirus doesn't wake up your immune system, the infection simply runs dry before the immune response get up but you got the so-called "cold" as an effect of the nasal mucosa inflammation!
    A very similar behaviour can affect SARS2 / Covid-19 coronavirus, the lethal effect is the interstitial pneumonia and you got kill (severe case) BEFORE the immune system can do anything.
    Or maybe the infection is already solved but the pneumonia still affects you lungs 'cause is more related to the body reaction than to the virus "proper" activity itself.

    Why tell me that the immune system wakes up in the not severe cases where the infection does not represent a danger cause it can't induce the pneumonia so there's NO serious desease to cure? It'a tautological.

  19. #594
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    The governor of California has ordered everybody in California to stay the fuck home.
    Not sure what the details are, and what the legal details are. But he's serious.

    It also seems that the Americans have accepted the fact that within 2 months, the number of infected in California will go from < 1000 infected now to 25 million infected. (FYI, California has 40M people).


    Nothing to see here, people. It's just the flu.
    Hoax and distraction by the libtards to make Trump look bad.
    It will blow over soon.

  20. #595
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    It's weird. I hear all these talks about Russian trolls, and bot accounts spamming news sites on Facebook with links to sway impressionable people, but I've always thought it was a little overexaggerated.

    ...but with this outbreak, I've been seeing some really weird people saying some really weird things in casual conversations that come across less like how real people talk, and more like how Vae comes across.

    Like in this one article posted by one of my local news channels about the situation in Italy, and all these people came in, slamming it as fake news, that Italy had terrible healthcare with dirty hospitals, and whatnot. The weirdest one was this lady talking about her vacation there, and how the tour guides all slammed their healthcare system. She said she wanted to visit the country, know their trials and tribulations, experience their socialist way of life for herself.

    ...WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THAT?

  21. #596
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    First confirmed case in my county today.

    I think I'll disinfect my throat with some Jack now.

  22. #597
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    ...WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THAT?
    You mean besides Vae, T_T, jkcerda, etc.?

  23. #598
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Vae and TT, yes. But they're not regular people.

    JK just trolls us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    I think I'll disinfect my throat with some Jack now.
    I'm short on booze at the moment. Got some cooking wine though!

  24. #599
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    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    And then there are reports like this:
    https://orthomolecular.activehosted....91130d6b6.148&

    That's 50 *grams* of vitamin C in 4 hours.
    Look, it's not that I automatically dismiss the reports of C-vitamin megadoses being super useful for combating all kinds of disease by *checks notes* orthomolecular medicine proponents, it's just that I believe evidence-based medicine over anecdotal reports from alternative medicine practitioners. Maybe huge doses of vitamin this and that could really be useful in treating something, who knows. But despite all those hopeful anecdotes and claims, at least so far, it doesn't seem to be the case for cancers, AIDS, or even the common cold: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11700812

    Also, while 50 grams of vitamin C won't kill you, because our bodies cannot store it and it's going to be flushed out, that doesn't mean it's good for you. High doses of vitamin C have been reliably associated with several unpleasant side effects like indigestion and kidney stones and in rare cases even some very dangerous ones like iron overload (though it does seem to require an underlying condition that increases iron absorption for it to occur).

  25. #600
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    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    From what I've read, Vitamin C will keep you from getting scurvy, and may boost your immune system enough to help you fight off a light fever during hay season, but it's not gonna do much else beyond that. All claims of its miraculous properties have thus far failed to pan out when put under scrutiny.

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