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  1. #1201
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Al_B View Post
    Well, that's brightened my morning up
    And why? It's a stupid joke *willingly* misunderstanding what I've said, in every reported sentence.
    It's pure and simple taunting at its finest, with the obvious intention to bully "the chosen idiot" (AHAH he's saying it from his own!!!1111 Seeee?!?!?!?!?!? Let him talk!!!! AHAHAHAH MOAR) to bully.

    1) Chlorochine acts as an antiviral AND an immunoregulator (it's why it is used for the R.A.). Either the features are potentially good BUT:

    The (very personally-biased and NOT peer reviewed, almost like EVERY other study about covid-19/SARS2) study shows a reduction of the virus presence in the throat (where the samples are taken) so:
    *no information about the infection state in the lungs (infection AND inflammation)
    *no information about the origin of the RNA found by the PCR (lungs? the same throat mucosa? etc.)
    *no information about the stability of the result (throat will keep NOT releasing viral material from lungs or from itself?)

    Etc. etc. etc. for all the other "brilliant focused debunking".
    Last edited by lowenz; 30th Mar 2020 at 07:29.

  2. #1202
    Administrator
    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Athens of the North
    You've been asked to tone it down (by Renz), take the hint please and stop escalating your posts. Others have also pointed out issues with that drug and the studies - you're hardly alone in that.

    Sulphur did the equivalent of what you have been doing with other people's posts, just in a more creative way. I'm sure it wasn't malicious but best as a one-off...

  3. #1203
    Chakat sex pillow
    Registered: Sep 2006
    Location: not here
    It's definitely a one-off, since it's fairly tedious getting through to certain mindsets (SubjEff - *salute*), and I think this line of discussion has gotten all the attention it deserves.

    But this conversation did open my eyes to kinetic text for other pursuits, which is grand.

  4. #1204
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    certain mindsets
    If you want MOAR "pseudoscience" as you see my posts translate this

    https://www.globalist.it/science/202...Sx3PoGGmH_l86g

    Quarantine=intrafamily contagion spike (pseudoscience! it's not peer-reviewed! fake news!)

  5. #1205
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Any time you feel the need to post in big bold underlined letters, I think it's a time to take a step back, breathe in deeply, and consider whether you're perhaps getting too emotional.

    Sulphur went maybe a bit over the line -- I think the manchild part at least was uncalled for -- but he's not wrong. You do come off a bit unhinged. And I get it -- it's a scary time and it's natural to be afraid and panicking. But it's also not helping anyone. Right now is not the time for jumping to conclusions or making hasty judgments.

    There are many, many variables that complicate the picture -- so hanging onto one aspect and emphasising it over and over again is not all that helpful and neither is making any definite statements about the disease just based on Italy (let alone Lombardy). There are lots and lots of things that can skew the picture in Italy compared with other countries, not the least of it is that Italy has the second oldest population in the world (in Italy, the median age of patients is 67 years, while in China it has been 46 years). And there are substantial disparities with testing and recording and reporting between individual countries. And we don't really know how things like air pollution and smoking tie into this. In fact, there are so many things we don't know about this disease yet that trying to interpret findings (especially as reported by non-scientists without the relevant expertise) based on incomplete data is extremely irresponsible.

  6. #1206
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Getting back to conspiracy theories, the evangelicals take the cake, the candles, and come back for seconds:

    <iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/397971695" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/29/chruc...tYKaAq5jU1BuzE

    [...]
    The River Church in Tampa was packed to the gills with worshipers who clearly were looking for hope. Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne, who presides over the megachurch and has been reportedly defiant over social distancing, has claimed he'll cure coronavirus just the way he did with Zika.

    He has vowed he will never close his church ... despite every doctor and scientist saying social distancing is the only thing that will prevent the disease from spreading even more.

    The Pastor boasted his place was white-glove clean, saying, “We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place, and uh, if somebody walks through the door it’s like, it kills everything on them. If they sneeze, it shoots it down at like 100 mph. It'll neutralize it in split seconds. We have the most sterile building in, I don’t know, all of America.”

    Howard-Browne said on March 17, "We are not stopping anything. I've got news for you, this church will never close. The only time the church will close is when the Rapture is taking place.”
    [...]

  7. #1207
    BANNED
    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...WqFRNvDmZAEr14
    Florida church jammed for Sunday service despite pandemic
    the sad thing is not only do these people reproduce but they travel outside the state.

  8. #1208
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Any time you feel the need to post in big bold underlined letters, I think it's a time to take a step back, breathe in deeply, and consider whether you're perhaps getting too emotional.

    Sulphur went maybe a bit over the line -- I think the manchild part at least was uncalled for -- but he's not wrong. You do come off a bit unhinged. And I get it -- it's a scary time and it's natural to be afraid and panicking. But it's also not helping anyone. Right now is not the time for jumping to conclusions or making hasty judgments.

    There are many, many variables that complicate the picture -- so hanging onto one aspect and emphasising it over and over again is not all that helpful and neither is making any definite statements about the disease just based on Italy (let alone Lombardy). There are lots and lots of things that can skew the picture in Italy compared with other countries, not the least of it is that Italy has the second oldest population in the world (in Italy, the median age of patients is 67 years, while in China it has been 46 years). And there are substantial disparities with testing and recording and reporting between individual countries. And we don't really know how things like air pollution and smoking tie into this. In fact, there are so many things we don't know about this disease yet that trying to interpret findings (especially as reported by non-scientists without the relevant expertise) based on incomplete data is extremely irresponsible.
    You're totally right but I don't think "irresponsible" is the right word. We aren't in any way any form of "authority" but a forum. And as I said TTLG members are far away from the age group that *here* is in danger.

    Talking about REAL pseudoscience (and not "limited vision 'cause there's not peer reviewed works yet"): https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hyd...nh1XrD3bsOXOBE
    Last edited by lowenz; 30th Mar 2020 at 11:10.

  9. #1209
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    And as I said TTLG members are far away from the age group that *here* is in danger.
    The age range for TTLG members is late teens to late 70s.

  10. #1210
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    You never know who repeats what where and how it impacts people's lives in the real world. And we have people of all ages here.

  11. #1211
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2008
    Location: in your second eyelids
    Since some people in their 80s died a couple years back (IIRC) then yeah, I guess it's reasonable to presume there's no 80+ people here (though you never know about the lurkers). But yeah.

    On the flipside, I've been here since mid teens and I think some have been since early teens if not earlier, so yeah, all ages indeed.

  12. #1212
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2003
    Location: Cambridgeshire UK
    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    The age range for TTLG members is late teens to late 70s.
    Correction: for late 70s read mid 80s.

  13. #1213
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    About the 15%->20% in the "video" about me

    Doing the maths the result is that if NOW the "not counted" deaths ('cause of no test done) are 2300 that 15% (deaths/positive tests in Lombardy) becomes 20%

    It's a simple equation (6360+x)/(41007+x)=0.2 being 6350/41007 the lethality here in Lombardy yesterday.
    So it's totally possible. Simple math, no need of (a complete training in) statistics (got 30 cum laude in this: http://corsi.dei.polimi.it/IMAD/ 17 years ago - with that same professor, LOL )
    Last edited by lowenz; 30th Mar 2020 at 12:29.

  14. #1214
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Today Italy data......ICU almost stable



    Severe cases still dying, ICU almost stable.

    Italian lethality (calculated on official reports): 11.4%

    Lombardy only:

    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    And Lombardy



    -> 416 death, -126 since yesterday !

    ICU almost stable here too.....


    458 deaths, +42 since yesterday

    ICU stable

    Lethality in Lombardy: 16.2%
    Last edited by lowenz; 30th Mar 2020 at 12:31.

  15. #1215
    Since everyone agrees with Nancy Pelosi, here's a video of her encouraging people to gather and congregate to fight stigma.

    https://twitter.com/BarrettWilson6/s...79830872936448
    Last edited by Al_B; 30th Mar 2020 at 17:32. Reason: Yeah, don't go there

  16. #1216
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Since everyone agrees with Nancy Pelosi, here's a video of her encouraging people to gather and congregate to fight stigma.

    https://twitter.com/BarrettWilson6/s...79830872936448
    Are they implying that this is something she's doing right now?

  17. #1217
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, that was in February, over a month ago, when Lord Dampnut was still boasting what a great job he was doing on the virus, how the virus was totally under control, and that the 15 cases in the US would soon be going down close to zero.

    Also, she wasn't suggesting that people should congregate, she was saying that people should be vigilant about the threat on the horizon, but that they shouldn't keep out of Chinatown right now just because Asians live there.

  18. #1218
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Hey, let's stop with the insults, huh? Next one that comes up gets a week boot.

  19. #1219
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    OK

    Good news about chloroquine as prophylaxis drug:

    https://www.nextquotidiano.it/plaque...virus-burioni/ (please google translate)

  20. #1220
    Can I suggest that we probably don't need daily statistics from Italy too? It's not that I'm unsympathetic, but that's something anyone can get online if they really need it. Plus, it's in Italian which makes it unreadable for most folks here anyway.

  21. #1221
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    As you want, just wanted to show how the epidemic expands day by day here in Lombardy (as a show case for USA East Coast towns) vs the entire Italy.
    South Italy is demographically and urbanistically totally different and it's not a good case for western states high populated regions.

  22. #1222
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    For those who want graphs to see how their country compares to the rest of the world, Financial Times has some neat ones up, updated daily (and bigger / more readable than the sample posted):










  23. #1223
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    Seems that situation in Italy is finally indeed improving.

    New case count has been falling for days now - and not for lack of trying to find new cases. There was time when every test yielded 0.33 positives (around 17. march) with ~10K tests done on that day. Now it has been:
    30th. 23329 tests -> 0.174 positive rate
    29th. 24504 tests -> 0.213 positive rate
    28th. 35447 tests -> 0.169 positive rate
    27th. 33019 tests -> 0.179 positive rate
    26th. 36615 tests -> 0.169 positive rate
    25th. 27481 tests -> 0.190 positive rate (all earlier days saw less testing)
    The decline in new cases is hence likely real (less positives found even though more testing is done than a week or so ago).
    Positive rate has been over 0.22 from 24. march back to 13. march with couple of days going over 0.3. Based on the few other counties i have testing data available - they probably have not found the resources to do testing for everyone who has the symptoms (testing probably still largely for cases that need hospitalization) but getting there.
    Active cases are still going up but much more slowly (countered by when people get declared recovered, based on whatever the local criteria is, or deaths). While the case count is still increasing - i hope that more milder cases from more testing and adaptation of the whole medical chain over time will compensate for that. Leading to less ICU needs and less deaths already. Also, as time goes on - the people most endangered are the ones to be most careful and cared for (isolated by friends and family) leading to decline of critical cases.

    Let's hope this holds and even accelerates.

  24. #1224
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by zombe View Post
    There was time when every test yielded 0.33 positives (around 17. march) with ~10K tests done on that day..
    Thanks Mr. Zaia (an his re-election strategies) for this abomination. 70.000 test kits literally wasted.

    Still now the virus is spreading in locked-down families and related physicians (mine is positive and now in quarantine with his pride).

  25. #1225
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    Since everyone agrees with Nancy Pelosi...
    Since everyone agrees that Tony is a bottomless pit of hasty generalizations, inhabited by straw men, here's Tony tarring the entire forum with as wide a brush as possible.


    EDIT: Oooops! Just saw Renz's ban warning. Oh well, I could use a break.

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