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  1. #1451
    Chakat sex pillow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    He's just one voice among many, so I doubt anyone will come in here thinking that we're yet another a nutso site, given the flak throw his way every time he posts.

    At the very least, he's good for showing contrast, serving as a cautionary tale of the dangers of reading too much into the obvious propaganda sites.
    He's not pushing propaganda. He's pushing his own conclusions by reading internet articles and connecting 'patterns', like most conspiracy theorists, and of course these conclusions are based on partial data and aren't informed by any insight into clinical testing or a medical background, to say nothing of the obvious comprehension issues. If he did it once or twice, people like SubjEff can tamp it down, but he never gets the point and gets back to it. This is actively harmful misinformation even if it's not intended to be malicious, and can be much worse than the idiocy T_T and Vae post. Deal with it, please.

  2. #1452
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    I've no idea who this Dr Drew is, but apparently he has been abusing copyright law to try to erase a supercut of his comments about the virus, so I'm morally obligated to share the video...
    Dr. Drew first hit it big with this MTV show called Loveline, where people would call in, asking questions about dating, their sex lives, occasionally STDs, and all that good stuff. He bounced around from station to station, show to show over the years, eventually becoming one of the Fox News talking heads, which is where the current drama stems from.

  3. #1453
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    It taught me that the most obvious points can sometimes be the hardest things to argue, since people can be blind to them or not understand what's really at the root of them, things as simple as human dignity and decency. I guess, since we're probably going through a global Epistemic Realignment right now at least on par with WWII and the Postwar period, I mean where countries come out of this with a much different outlook on the world, it's a good time to be reflecting on the core values and truths.
    I understand. I once tried to explain the concept of honor to a Trump supporter. They thought that if you were not going to win there was no point in fighting for what was right. I was never able to convey my view.

  4. #1454
    Still Subjective
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    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Hey, Sulffooor, get my name right!

  5. #1455
    Still Subjective
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    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    We can all quit worrying now. Kenneth Copeland's ass has spoken.

    <iframe src="//cdn.jwplayer.com/players/JXfYJmM8-XLzx33eA.html" width="480" height="270" frameborder="0" scrolling="auto"></iframe>
    This is great, but the video of Trump that follows it is even better.

  6. #1456
    Chakat sex pillow
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Hey, Sulffooor, get my name right!
    SORRY JEFF

  7. #1457
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Please list some viruses that do kill you then.

    Just one will do.
    HERE you got killed by the inflammation that alters/attack your tissues, NOT the virus attacking your tissues to colonize&use them to replicate!
    Why did you quote only the "obvious" part?

    Dude, your own extract contradicts you.
    Yes, few die of that 'cause you die first 'cause you can't breath!
    Of course the respiratory involvement is the MAJOR part but the disease is system-wide, it's not a classic viral pneumonia+bacteria overinfection. It's MORE, it involves the organism in an extended and sneaky form.
    The autopsies got it right, it's a vasculitis and when it touches the lungs you got the interstitial pneumonia. But all the similar tissues (kidney ones) are at risk! Without even talking about the vein thrombosis risks!

  8. #1458
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    He's not pushing propaganda. He's pushing his own conclusions by reading internet articles and connecting 'patterns', like most conspiracy theorists, and of course these conclusions are based on partial data and aren't informed by any insight into clinical testing or a medical background, to say nothing of the obvious comprehension issues. If he did it once or twice, people like SubjEff can tamp it down, but he never gets the point and gets back to it. This is actively harmful misinformation even if it's not intended to be malicious, and can be much worse than the idiocy T_T and Vae post. Deal with it, please.
    NO.

    Read the autopsies reports I've posted.

    And Renz is talking about Tony, not me. And you are talking about me.

  9. #1459
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    Here's one: https://jcp.bmj.com/content/early/20...th-2020-206522

    Information regarding the pathological findings in COVID-19 is limited, although several case reports have been published in recent weeks.10 11

    Clinical features: Public Health England (PHE) has outlined criteria to assess possibility of COVID-19 infection in patients.12 These criteria are the same when the patient is deceased with the exception that the timelines given in the guidance refer to the time prior death or onset of relevant symptoms before death where known.

    If it is considered that COVID-19 may have been related to death by these criteria, the choice of either to perform a full postmortem or an examination is limited only to retrieving the samples required to verify COVID-19 infection. This decision must be made according to the individual case and should include the requirements of the coroner or any pertinent individuals. A staged postmortem may also be considered. This involves taking only diagnostic samples initially and later considering or a more complete autopsy after the results of these diagnostic tests are available. This staged technique is recommended if possible.

    Macroscopic features: the macroscopic features of COVID-19 are likely to be in the chest and may include pleurisy, pericarditis, lung consolidation and pulmonary oedema. Lung weight may be increased above normal. It should be noted a secondary infection may be superimposed on the viral infection that can lead to purulent inflammation more typical of bacterial infection.4

    Microscopic findings: a recent article described the early histopathological features in COVID-19 in two patients who underwent surgical resections for lung adenocarcinoma but were later discovered to have had COVID-19 at the time of the operation.11 The findings were non-specific and included oedema, pneumocyte hyperplasia, focal inflammation and multinucleated giant cell formation while no hyaline membranes were seen. Given that these patients were asymptomatic with respect to COVID-19 at the time of the operation, these are likely to reflect only early changes of acute lung injury in the infection.11 In another case, a 50-year-old man died from severe COVID-19 infection and more marked histopathological findings were noted.10 Samples were taken by postmortem biopsy, and a description of the gross postmortem findings is not given, although multiple ground glass opacities were noted on chest X-ray. The microscopic findings included diffuse alveolar damage with exudates.10 The inflammation was predominantly lymphocytic, and multinucleated giant cells were seen alongside large atypical pneumocytes, although no definitive viral inclusions were noted. Microvesicular steatosis with mild inflammation was noted in the liver, although it was unclear whether this was related to the virus or iatrogenic. The features are very similar to those seen in SARS and MERS-coronavirus infections
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Apr 2020 at 05:44.

  10. #1460
    https://archive.is/ONUmi

    In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
    There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.
    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.
    Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.
    Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.
    When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
    Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
    1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
    2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
    — — — — — — — — — — — — -
    Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
    Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.
    The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.
    Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

  11. #1461
    Second Article that goes into more technical detail.

    Do we have anyone here who is medically qualified that can validate?

    https://archive.vn/JDrPi

  12. #1462
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    SARS2 is a RNA virus, and your text says "DNA"
    So........Sulphur can say "idiocy"

    There's no use to "descend" @chemistry level.
    The problem is that COVID-19 is a systemic disease triggered by the virus activity, and not a "respiratory disease". It can *manifest* as a respiratory disease (and you die for that if severe) but its real nature is a multilevel-failing immunological response IF the infection is not early contained by the "right" immunoglobulin and IF the body can't process the results of its own misbehaviour.

    Yeah, "tautology".

    Do not assume that is a simple "pneumonia" what you get to treat in this infection. Of course you got to ventilate the patient, but that's only ONE (MAJOR) aspect of a disease far more extended.
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Apr 2020 at 06:59.

  13. #1463
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    The Cult Church of Scientology accuses The Daily Beast of xenuphobia:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-ask...-wild-response

    Then things got strange. They proceeded to accuse The Daily Beast of possessing a “perverted agenda,” adding, “If you actually look at what we have done, you will wish The Daily Beast had the protocols our Church leader put in our Churches. We are working to help others get through this—and that even includes you.” (Italics theirs.)
    Yes, I know Xenu is the bad guy.

  14. #1464
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    Tony_Tarantula

    Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

    Or a vasculitis (that can induce an encephalitis too)

  15. #1465
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    Apparently, a Fox News affiliate channel has found their own way to flatten the curve (look at the Y-axis):

    <img src="https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-04-at-9.05.39-PM.png" width="500">

  16. #1466
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    LOL

    That's misinformation


    Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...ne-system.html

    Oh, finally in USA too they got it.
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Apr 2020 at 07:40.

  17. #1467
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    Location: Not Kansas
    Oh God. Trump's redoubling his efforts to peddle 'the malaria and lupus drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 "with all of the enthusiasm of a real estate developer," even as the medical experts on his coronavirus task force have repeatedly "warned against overselling a drug yet to be proved a safe remedy, particularly for heart patients," The New York Times reports'. And now we know why:

    '"Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine." Other top Trump donors, allies, gold buddies, and Cabinet officials also have various ties to hydroxychlorquine.'

    Follow the money. *sighs*

    P.S. My daughter has Lupus, one of the diseases for which hydroxychloroquine is FDA approved, but she had to stop taking it because it was damn near killing her; the side effects are brutal. I'll hold off on asking for a prescription of the stuff until the FDA shows results of extensive testing wherein the drug was effective in combating the COVID-19 virus and therefore the FDA approves it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sma...043142804.html


    P.P.S. Wait, doesn't the fact that Trump has 'a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine' mean that he's violating:

    Part 2635. STANDARDS OF ETHICAL CONDUCT FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH Subpart G. Misuse of Position Section 2635.702. Use of public office for private gain.

    § 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
    An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.
    ??

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702

  18. #1468
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Ok, Tony and lowenz in combination?

    I'm out.

    Both ignored.

  19. #1469
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia View Post
    Oh God. Trump's redoubling his efforts to peddle 'the malaria and lupus drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 "with all of the enthusiasm of a real estate developer," even as the medical experts on his coronavirus task force have repeatedly "warned against overselling a drug yet to be proved a safe remedy, particularly for heart patients," The New York Times reports'. And now we know why:

    '"Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine." Other top Trump donors, allies, gold buddies, and Cabinet officials also have various ties to hydroxychlorquine.'

    Follow the money. *sighs*

    P.S. My daughter has Lupus, one of the diseases for which hydroxychloroquine is FDA approved, but she had to stop taking it because it was damn near killing her; the side effects are brutal. I'll hold off on asking for a prescription of the stuff until the FDA shows results of extensive testing wherein the drug was effective in combating the COVID-19 virus and therefore the FDA approves it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sma...043142804.html


    P.P.S. Wait, doesn't the fact that Trump has 'a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine' mean that he's violating:

    Part 2635. STANDARDS OF ETHICAL CONDUCT FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH Subpart G. Misuse of Position Section 2635.702. Use of public office for private gain.

    § 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
    An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.
    ??

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702
    Of course for him it's all $$$ interest. It's how his mind works.

    Still the chroloquine can be useful. Here in Italy the first trials reveled it can maybe be used as a prophylaxis drug.
    So you know by yourself why treat these autoimmune beasts is SO hard. There's no way to "tackle" them without damaging something elsewhere. It's really hard.

    And with an high probability now we got a new one.....

  20. #1470
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Ok, Tony and lowenz in combination?

    I'm out.

    Both ignored.
    Why this childish behaviour? WHY?

    -> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...ne-system.html

    it's literally the same thing I'm saying.
    SARS 2 induced vasculitis / interstitial pneumonia

    There are many variations on the phenomenon, and they go by many names: systemic inflammatory response syndrome, cytokine release syndrome, macrophage activation syndrome, hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis.

    Broadly speaking, they are all marked by an unbridled surge in immune molecules, and may all result in the fatal shutdown of multiple organs.

    But many doctors are unfamiliar with this niche concept or how to treat it, experts said.

    “Everyone’s talking about cytokine storm as if it were a well-recognized phenomenon, but you could have asked medics two weeks ago and they wouldn’t have heard of it,” said Dr. Jessica Manson, an immunologist at University College London Hospital.


    And a macrophages accumulation is among the causes of the interstitial pneumonia.
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Apr 2020 at 08:34.

  21. #1471
    Why this childish behaviour? WHY?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_defences



    ***

    Anyway, Some of you all REALLY need to think carefully about what you wish for when it comes to the social aspects of this.

    Let's say we get this vaccine with a digital stamp to prove who has had it and your real ID (As Bill Gates is proposing with ID2020 and Faucci support).


    And Trump gets re-elected (Biden is now rambling literally incoherently so that's likely unless they sub in Hilldog at the convention) , no now longer having to care about his campaign.

    Hypothetical Scenario: DHS sets up a checkpoint in Port Authority or Grand Central to scan for these IDs. Immigrants and Refugees will not have a real ID to link into their records, so they get pulled to go to the DHS facility for further screening.....except when they get there ICE is waiting, arrests them, separates them from their families, and sends them to an internment camp.

    Hypothetical Scenario 2: We track everyone's movement with cellphone as some countries are already doing. ICE gets access to these records, and matches them against customer databases and financial records to check which cellphones are associated with refugees. ICE then tracks them down in real time to arrest them and deport them as soon as they step out in public (leaving their families left home alone with nobody to care for them) by following their cellphone ping in real time and to observers it just looks like someone broke quarantine

    Is it really that difficult to imagine Trump doing something like that with the powers everyone just screamed to give him.

    Don't you think Trump would do that if given the chance? And we're collectively demanding to give him the chance.

  22. #1472
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    I notice the author of this piece has been suspended and the article removed. The Deep State strikes again

  23. #1473
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    Quote Originally Posted by catbarf View Post
    I notice the author of this piece has been suspended and the article removed. The Deep State strikes again
    Well, that "paper" is kind of stupid cause everybody can estimate the O2 level in the blood thanks to a simple saturimeter.
    So it's NOT the "hypoxia" the culprit.
    Still the saturimeter can only measure the actual binding between hemoglobin and O2, and so the information is really partial if there's no hemoglobin BUT this sounds really strange and ad hoc for the chloroquine crowning as the perfect drug

    It sounds like a pro-Trump / pro-chroloquine pseudoscience.

    The REAL problem is that the pneumonia is only one aspect of the syndrome that the virus can enable.
    So don't expect miracle from a pneumonia-focused treatment (oh, the superinfections in ICU.....).
    And expect damage elsewhere (lungs damage of course is lethal! Why repeat a truism? It's more worthy to analyze the type of the damage and its source, all the chain of interactions and not only the limited DIRECT damage of the infection itself.....it's a virus, it can't do the "heavy damage" of some bacteria by itself, it can only hijack ribosomes).
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Apr 2020 at 10:21.

  24. #1474
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102614/

    Another prominent clinical manifestation in severe COVID-19 patients is endothelium damage. Mimicry of vasculitis could be seen in severe COVID-19 patients. Clinically, many critical ill patients have vasculitis-like manifestations, or even gangrene at their extremities; Pathology examination revealed the blood vessels of alveolar septum were congested and edematous, with modest infiltration of monocytes and lymphocytes within and around blood vessels. Small vessels showed hyperplasia, vessel wall thickening, lumen stenosis, occlusion and focal hemorrhage. Hyaline thrombi of micro-vessels were found in a proportion of severe cases [10,13,14]. Intriguingly, some patients were tested positive with high titer antiphospholipid antibodies, including anticardiolipin antibodies and anti-β2 glycoprotein antibodies, and were associated with severe thrombosis (unpublished data). The underlying mechanism of vascular damage may be due to the direct injury of endothelial cells by virus, leading to DIC, anti-phospholipid syndrome (APS) and mimicry of vasculitis. The pathological autoimmune responses involved in the anti-virus immunity are worth to be emphasized.

    So the stupid is me......right?

  25. #1475
    I don't know much about this site, but I thought this article might be of interest to some:

    CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed

    I would think this is a concern, since COVID symptoms are often similar to the flu.

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