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  1. #1526
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    Do other countries do the same ?
    Or is the corona-crisis shown as an abstract thing, like most other crises ? (War in the middle-east, virus in china, hunger in Africa, who cares these days ?).
    We have some information on TV of a similar type, but it's not every night and is only occasional updates. I think what's happen there a really, really good idea.

    Can you link me to the official website please? I need to share this with one of the doctor's associations here.

  2. #1527
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Can you link me to the official website please? I need to share this with one of the doctor's associations here.
    The program is called "Frontberichten" (bericht = message).
    We have commercial TV and public TV. Like the BBC. Except we have 15+ public TV broadcast corporations (larger and smaller). They do advertisements, also on their website (sorry). And the videos on their website don't even play in my browser (Palemoon, which is a Firefox fork). But on the website you can see a lot of these messages.

    https://www.bnnvara.nl/frontberichten

  3. #1528
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Thanks.

  4. #1529
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Here is a bit more info about the tv-program.
    https://www.ad.nl/show/frontberichte...bek~a49913968/
    I couldn't get it to translate in Google Translate.
    So some points from the story:

    The shows runs since March 20th.
    Mostly people from healthcare, but also police officers, people working in supermarkets, cleaning staff (the essential workers).
    These essential workers are the ones who take the initiative to make these movies and send them to the program.
    There is a staff of ~20 editors. They all work from home.
    The editors receive around 40 new films per day.
    The episodes are 12-14 minutes each day.
    Daily audience is ~ 1 million viewers per day (out of 17.5M people in NL).

    After the first 2 days, communication departments of hospitals realized what was happening. Uncontrolled info from/about their hospitals going directly and unfiltered to the general public. They didn't like it. They forbade their employees to participate with the program. Or even talk to the press in general. But after a few days they realized that the program had real value, even for the hospitals themselves. So they allowed their employees to participate again. Hospitals then started to call the program to try to send in their own vlogs. The program refuses any entries from hospitals. They only accept vlogs from individuals.

    60% of entries are from medical personnel.
    Those are often so impressive or urgent, that there's a risk they push out the vlogs from non-medical personnel. The editors try to keep a balance.
    Some entries with impact: a doctor reporting from a triage-tent. getting interrupted by a couple coming in. man gets taken into the hospital. woman needs to say goodbye. not knowing if they'll see each other again.
    one entry was from a guy working in the Zoo. showing the empty Zoo, and how the workers keep taking care of the animals.
    the show is made and broadcasted 7 days a week.
    Editors expected to make only a few shows. But the good receipt and the high ratings encourage them to keep going.
    Lots of feedback that these "messages from the front" have a lot more impact than the talking heads on tv each night.
    The chief editor expects to condense the messages into a movie some time, maybe at the end of the year.

  5. #1530
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    After the first 2 days, communication departments of hospitals realized what was happening. Uncontrolled info from/about their hospitals going directly and unfiltered to the general public. They didn't like it. They forbade their employees to participate with the program. Or even talk to the press in general. But after a few days they realized that the program had real value, even for the hospitals themselves. So they allowed their employees to participate again. Hospitals then started to call the program to try to send in their own vlogs. The program refuses any entries from hospitals. They only accept vlogs from individuals.
    It's why I love Netherlands (since the '90s )!

  6. #1531
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Financial Times article: https://www.ft.com/content/e26524a5-...7-a91627a1722c

    Italian free access recap that you can decently google-translate: https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/salut...o-1851725.html

  7. #1532
    Member
    Registered: Nov 2001
    Location: uk
    If you stick the title of an FT article into your search engine of choice you get a link to the full text.

  8. #1533
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    I need to share this with one of the doctor's associations here.
    Good luck, Jeff.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ut-coronavirus

    Edit: for those who hadn't noticed, China has finally ended the lockdown in Wuhan yesterday (April 8th). That lockdown started on Jan 23rd. Thus it lasted 11 weeks ! I'm interested in learning how they will be doing over the next few weeks. Again, this will be another experience where the western countries can learn, because we are a few weeks behind China in the whole process.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 9th Apr 2020 at 11:21.

  9. #1534
    How you can you learn anything though? Their data can't be trusted.

  10. #1535
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Even untrustworthy data has value. Don't be too paranoid.

    Example: suppose the Chinese authorities underreport their numbers of infections and deaths by 50%. If there is an increase, you still see that increase, even if the numbers are smaller. Or suppose 2 weeks from now, China again re-instates some restrictions on Wuhan. Then you know that the virus was not fully eradicated after 11 weeks of lockdown. Etc. Also, I think the better the numbers and the better the results, the more the Chinese will be willing to share true data. The fact that we suspect their numbers are off is not because they are arseholes, it is because the Chinese authorities are trying to save face. (They are arseholes too, imho, but that might not be the (main) reason they lied).

    Edit: and even if the Chinese give out meaningless numbers, there are other ways to acquire data. According to this news report and others, US intelligence knew in November 2019 already that a contagious disease was spreading through China’s Wuhan region.
    Two officials familiar with the documents told ABC News the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence expressed concerns about the coronavirus in a November intelligence report, which included an analysis of wire and computer intercepts and satellite images.

    "Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," a source said of the NCMI’s report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff, and the White House.
    But Trump of course thought: "WTF is a pandemic ? I never heard of that word. Must be false news. And besides that, stockmarket is up. Elections are coming. Fuck that pamdenix !!".
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 9th Apr 2020 at 12:26.

  11. #1536
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I can't stop hiccuping! GOD HELP ME, I CAN'T STOP!

  12. #1537
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Here you go, Renz... JUMP SCARE WARNING


  13. #1538
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven

  14. #1539
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I was expecting it, so it didn't work.

  15. #1540
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Bad News - for young people - Arald Mode

    https://notizie.virgilio.it/coronavi...immune-1362429

    Automatic translation:

    Coronavirus immunity is one of the most debated topics in recent times. Many are wondering if there is the possibility of a second infection and the answer comes from a study by Fudan University . The research, published in the South China Morning Post and taken up by GreenStyle, was carried out on 175 patients deemed no longer affected by Covid-19 and discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center.

    Coronavirus, immunity in the healed: research results
    Analyzing the levels of antibodies present in the body of the recovered patients, it emerged that a third of them had developed a rather mild resistance to coronavirus .
    Furthermore, some of them had no trace of immunization against the virus: "If these patients are at high risk of relapse and re-infection it should be the subject of further studies," said the experts.
    The low development of antibodies , the researchers of the Fudan University have underlined, above all concerns the young people between 15 and 39 years . By contrast, antibody levels were higher in the 60 to 85 age group .

    Coronavirus, few antibodies in the healed: the problems
    The results of the research, according to the scientists, show that low levels of antibodies for certain sections of the population would prevent the development of "flock immunity" and therefore stop the epidemic.
    The Chinese study also, as Dagospia reports, found that ten out of 175 patients had "zero antibodies" or "such a low number that they were not found in laboratory tests".
    Thus, the difficulty in developing antibodies could also be problematic in the development of a vaccine . In fact, if a real dose of virus has failed to develop antibodies, even a "weakened" version inoculated for research purposes may not.



    Immunity only in the people affected/affectable (by age) by the severe version of Covid-19 (further evidence that the virus by itself is not the culprit of the disease), as expected.
    Last edited by lowenz; 9th Apr 2020 at 13:44.

  16. #1541
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I'm gonna laugh when we find out the one thing that cures this is Flintstones vitamins.

  17. #1542
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    It will evolve in an Herpes-like form, so perfect symbiosis.

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