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  1. #1551
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Lockdown... if only
    It seems crazy to me too.

    He's obviously very motivated to keep people working, even if they're not needed right now. Also, Trump has been very keen to support the oil industry, even stepping into OPEC+ negotiations to try to get Russia and Saudi Arabia to give up their little war to grab market share. Would Trump and other like minded individuals in Congress really want to fly empty planes around just to consume oil and keep crews on the job? It's hard to imagine, but I really wouldn't put it past him.

    And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if America as a whole had lower average IQ scores than Belgium. Likewise, I think Belgium probably has higher average scores than Europe as a whole.

  2. #1552
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    I made that joke because in the Netherlands, our worst jokes are always about how stupid the Belgians are. Kinda like how Canadians make fun of New-Foundlanders (I think). In return, the Belgians always make fun of what cheap bastards the Dutch are. Kinda like how the English make fun of the cheap Scottish. Jokes at kid's level.

    In reality, as a Dutch guy, I've spend 2 times 3 years working in Belgium. I've spend most of my career as full-time tele-commuter. But if you don't count those years, I've actual worked more in Belgian offices than in Dutch offices. Working in an office is always hell, but I can tell you that Belgian offices have just as many idiots and arseholes as Dutch offices have.

    As I said, I spent 10 seconds to find that list via Google. But I have no reason to believe those numbers are false. (Except the usual disclaimer that you can't trust anything on the Internet). Since Reagan the Republicans have been actively working to destroy the US education system. No doubt that has some effect on these numbers. Also there is a very strong anti-intellectual tendency amongst the right half of the US population. So no doubt that has an effect to ("Look at me what a patriot I am ! I didn't finish school and I never read a book ! I'm so proud of myself !").

    What surprised me are the average I.Q.s of the countries on the bottom half of that list. 21 Countries where the average I.Q. is between 80 and 85. 25 Countries with an average I.Q. under 80 ! In NL, under 85 is called "zwak begaafd". (Literal translation: very weakly talented. I think it's even a legal term, where judges use low I.Q. as a factor when determining sentences. Translation according to Google: feeble-minded, retarded, weak-minded). I've always understood that IQ is not related to knowledge, memory, or ability. Just how good you are at solving abstract problems. Anyway, I distract. Sorry.

  3. #1553
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Anatomical pathology results from 70 autopsies done in Bergamo's main hospital are coming in days

    Hope to have them to publish the results here.

    Please google-translate this: https://www.lanazione.it/pontedera/c...cure-1.5101478

    Heparin working -> vascular disease

  4. #1554
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2004
    ...You just put a wink emoji about 70 autopsies. Perhaps you should be reconsidering your priorities.

  5. #1555
    Member
    Registered: Mar 2001
    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    For Australia -

    Infections: 6,203
    Deaths - 53

    And the media here is demanding that isolation related restrictions be lifted, and for everything to be re-opened / allowed, which would be an absolute disaster, as has been the case in other countries where a lifting of restrictions led to everyone flocking together which = a huge jump in infections and even greater restrictions than before being imposed. Still likely to be a minimum of 6 months before life returns to normal. Been a large rise in police imposing fines on people for not sticking to the rules. Some of it fair, other times for ridiculous stuff like a guy got fined for taking his car to a car wash, and a mother and daughter got fined for going for a driving lesson (daughter being the L plater). That's just taking it too far imo.

    I got pulled over by police today, whilst driving around looking for hot cross buns (being Easter and all). Questioned why I was out driving, and wanting to check my drivers license. Annoying.

    There has been car protests (as in people protesting in their cars) for autistic people to be exempt from all the isolation restrictions. They got fined $1.6k each for breaching isolation laws, which with all the people protesting combined = $56k.
    Last edited by icemann; 10th Apr 2020 at 14:14.

  6. #1556
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    ... as has been the case in other countries where a lifting of restrictions led to everyone flocking together which = a huge jump in infections and even greater restrictions than before being imposed.
    Have not heard about that before. Which countries?

  7. #1557
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Phatose View Post
    ...You just put a wink emoji about 70 autopsies. Perhaps you should be reconsidering your priorities.
    ?

    "" = reporting here to make a service for all

    Why misinterpret ad hominem?

  8. #1558
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2004
    Is that what winking means in Italy?

  9. #1559
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Winking is bad!...

    lowenz is winking to let everyone know how clever he is, for reporting certain information.

  10. #1560
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    So what's the latest news on hydroxychloroquine, Vae?

  11. #1561
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    There has been car protests (as in people protesting in their cars) for autistic people to be exempt from all the isolation restrictions. They got fined $1.6k each for breaching isolation laws, which with all the people protesting combined = $56k.
    Man, we need those levels of fines across the ditch. Idiots attempting to drive to holiday destinations for the Easter break who deserve to be thrown into the cell. Preferably with a criminal record.

  12. #1562
    Member
    Registered: Jun 2009
    Location: The Spiraling Sea
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    So what's the latest news on hydroxychloroquine, Vae?
    The FDA approved drug known as "Hydroxychloroquine", needs more trials in order to ascertain its effectiveness for treating patients with COVID-19.

    But in the meantime, Drumpf is bad for hoping that it will save lives!...

  13. #1563
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    No, Drumpf is bad for recommending this drug as some promising miracle cure-all after seeing some quack who ran a shit trial with skewed results and no control talk about it on Fox News. That he said it had been around forever, and was totally safe just added salt to the wound.

    He shilled this shit for ratings, and you stupid fucks are now running around parroting his opinion, espousing it as the promising miracle cure-all he claimed it to be.

    Maybe he'll luck out, and it ends up actually being effective. Then you can say how you knew all along, and the stupid libtards wouldn't believe you because ORANGE MAN BAD!

    ...but right now, things aren't looking too good.

  14. #1564
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    We are now officially at 4 deaths, 1312 infected. 3/4 deaths are from the elderly with known ailments.

    Interestingly enough we've gone down in new cases, but still multiple clusters.

  15. #1565
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Total aside, but I think Wolverhampton is the most British sounding name for a town ever. It's probably pronounced like "wult'n."

  16. #1566
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    It's also a dreadful place, with an awful, awful accent and some dumb criminals.

  17. #1567
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    Is that what winking means in Italy?
    NOT IRONIC winking.

    There's nothing to be ironic about 70 autopsies.
    But *knowledge* for alive people to remain alive.
    That's the (only) way to give a human/social meaning to all those sad deaths.

    I'm not "that" smart Vae, I fear misinterpretation (of eveything, let alone diagnostic misinterpretation!) as I fear death.

  18. #1568
    Moderator
    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Wales
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    It's probably pronounced like "wult'n."
    Nah. You can have Woolfardisworthy in Devon instead. It's pronounced Woolsery.

  19. #1569
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Um...


  20. #1570
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    That's Welsh though.

  21. #1571
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Well spotted! Yes, I was pointing out that England isn't the only place with hard to pronounce placenames.

    Though I don't think I'll ever get over Mousehole or Godmanchester. Or even Norwich (rhymes with porridge).

  22. #1572
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Coronavirus naming alignment chart:

    <img src="https://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/alignment-corona-scaled.jpg" width="600">

  23. #1573
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    RONA! RONA! LET IT BURN! LET IT ALL BURN!

  24. #1574
    Member
    Registered: Sep 2001
    Location: Lockdown... if only
    Quote Originally Posted by zombe View Post
    The data is quite noisy where many changes happened along the way (combining days to account for combining counting systems / more people seeking for testing / counting fuckups / counts being low enough for individual idiots to have noticeable effect at their random time / etc).

    In other words: not sure i would call it a second wave ... the first one has just prevailed. We never really had much of the exponential growth either (1.024 ^ 25 days ~= 1.8 ... ie. have not yet doubled the daily new case counts from the initial event). Still quite worrying (That initial super-spreader incident hurt us bad. We are way worse off than any of our neighbors - but it is relatively under control so far and well below our medical capacity at least. I am still super worried as we have infections in the family).

    We have two hot-spots: one is an island (Very bad situation there - over 1.3% of everyone there is infected. That island alone counts for 38% of all cases in the country) the other is our capitol city (If that decides to explode then we are truly fucked).
    I almost forgot to reply. At first it looked like your country did a good job of containing the early cases, and the outbreak might be under control soon there, but then my optimism was disproven. Looking back on it now, the data does look too noisy to really say there's is or was a trend.

    What's the culture like there? Is your country more socially distant by nature, or is there a celebratory culture too? That seems to affect how this virus proceeds. I really don't know much about Estonia except every summer there are students from Tallinn University who wander my neighborhood knocking on doors, trying to sell children's educational books for Southwestern Advantage. They're a horrible marketing company that preys on university students. We made a sympathy purchase a couple of years ago and got to talk a little bit about life in Estonia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    I made that joke because in the Netherlands, our worst jokes are always about how stupid the Belgians are. Kinda like how Canadians make fun of New-Foundlanders (I think). In return, the Belgians always make fun of what cheap bastards the Dutch are. Kinda like how the English make fun of the cheap Scottish. Jokes at kid's level.

    In reality, as a Dutch guy, I've spend 2 times 3 years working in Belgium. I've spend most of my career as full-time tele-commuter. But if you don't count those years, I've actual worked more in Belgian offices than in Dutch offices. Working in an office is always hell, but I can tell you that Belgian offices have just as many idiots and arseholes as Dutch offices have.

    As I said, I spent 10 seconds to find that list via Google. But I have no reason to believe those numbers are false. (Except the usual disclaimer that you can't trust anything on the Internet). Since Reagan the Republicans have been actively working to destroy the US education system. No doubt that has some effect on these numbers. Also there is a very strong anti-intellectual tendency amongst the right half of the US population. So no doubt that has an effect to ("Look at me what a patriot I am ! I didn't finish school and I never read a book ! I'm so proud of myself !").

    What surprised me are the average I.Q.s of the countries on the bottom half of that list. 21 Countries where the average I.Q. is between 80 and 85. 25 Countries with an average I.Q. under 80 ! In NL, under 85 is called "zwak begaafd". (Literal translation: very weakly talented. I think it's even a legal term, where judges use low I.Q. as a factor when determining sentences. Translation according to Google: feeble-minded, retarded, weak-minded). I've always understood that IQ is not related to knowledge, memory, or ability. Just how good you are at solving abstract problems. Anyway, I distract. Sorry.
    Well, according to this: https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...iq-by-country/
    Your average is 100, which is 1 higher than Belgium at 99, and 2 higher than the US at 98. So I guess you're right.
    US state averages range from 94 to 104: https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...e-iq-by-state/

    I'm not sure how useful IQ testing is anyway. It seemed like a test of language skills & general knowledge more than a measure of intelligence or aptitude. But it's been ages since I took it.

  25. #1575
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Our (Lombardy) estimate ("stima") vs official data
    "Decessi" of course is "deaths"

    (data of some days ago)



    So here in Bergamo 1/4 of the population is probably infected.
    Last edited by lowenz; 11th Apr 2020 at 13:36.

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