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  1. #1576
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    I'm not sure how useful IQ testing is anyway. It seemed like a test of language skills & general knowledge more than a measure of intelligence or aptitude. But it's been ages since I took it.
    It's useful in childhood age.

  2. #1577
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    I'm not sure how useful IQ testing is anyway. It seemed like a test of language skills & general knowledge more than a measure of intelligence or aptitude. But it's been ages since I took it.
    If you're taking an IQ test, and it's asking you math and grammar questions, it's not really an IQ test. Real IQ tests are abstract as fuuuhhhkkkk.

  3. #1578
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    When I applied for my previous job (at a multi-national, with 100k+ employees), they let me do an iq-test. One hour online, via some London-based recruiting company. They called it differently, not an iq-test, can't remember the name anymore (aptitude test maybe ?). But it was (imho) really an iq-test. Lots of pictures you had to rotate, mirror, find the odd-one-out in 4 similar pictures, etc. Pretty abstract puzzles. Not much language-based questions. I was surprised they let me do such a (imho meaningless) test. I have no idea what my score was, but I got hired. Is this normal these days, companies letting you do an iq-test before they hire you ?

    I've done a few similar tests before. At 17, when being recruited/tested for the (then) mandatory military draft. And again by the military when they kicked me out, after I ran away 2 times. I might have done one more test. The weird thing is, they never give you the score. I got a vague idea what my iq is (surprise, it's higher than 100), but I never saw real numbers.

  4. #1579
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I got an 86 on my IQ test, which the doctors said was a solid B.

  5. #1580
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I got an 86 on my IQ test, which the doctors said was a solid B.
    Whoahaaa !!!
    That's higher than the President's !!!!!

  6. #1581
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Overdue disclaimer: DO NOT READ THE PAPERZZZ WITHOUT THE PROPER SKILL

    But I can put it here, right? From "Department of Haematology, Manchester University Hospitals, United Kingdom", so not my basement!

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...Qv8Bt6ju0s-X8I

  7. #1582
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    Whoahaaa !!!
    That's higher than the President's !!!!!
    AND I DIDN'T EVEN STUDY FOR THE TEST! THAT'S HOW SMART I AM!

    Mom always said I was special...

  8. #1583
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Coronavirus naming alignment chart:

    <img src="https://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/alignment-corona-scaled.jpg" width="600">
    How can this not have Kung Flu or The Wubonic Plague on it?

  9. #1584
    Zombified
    Registered: Sep 2004
    the JinPing Fever, the CCPlague, the Commie Cough.
    Last edited by voodoo47; 11th Apr 2020 at 17:50.

  10. #1585
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Winnie The Flu.

    General Tso's Chiggers.

  11. #1586
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Wuflu.

  12. #1587
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    What's the culture like there? Is your country more socially distant by nature, or is there a celebratory culture too? That seems to affect how this virus proceeds. I really don't know much about Estonia except every summer there are students from Tallinn University who wander my neighborhood knocking on doors, trying to sell children's educational books for Southwestern Advantage. They're a horrible marketing company that preys on university students. We made a sympathy purchase a couple of years ago and got to talk a little bit about life in Estonia.
    Estonians are reserved and pragmatic, not big on touching, need a lot of personal space (not quite as much as, say, Hungarians, but far far more than Russians or Italians), not big on trusting authority, and tend to be more on the (small c) conservative side. As a whole, fairly similar to Finns, including the rampant alcoholism and the protestant work ethic making people prone to work themselves to death. Also there's heavy emphasis on all kinds of digital solutions, such as e-voting, heavy use of online banking, and contactless payments, which makes it somewhat more easier to avoid contact with other people.

    Here's one British expat's impressions, for example: https://estonianworld.com/life/five-...h-expats-view/

  13. #1588
    Member
    Registered: Aug 2003
    Location: Jafaville New Zealand
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Um...

    Well...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taumat...ADuakitanatahu

  14. #1589
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Holy crap!

  15. #1590
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Yeah, that's nearly the length of an ordinary German compound noun.

  16. #1591
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Estonians... ...Also there's heavy emphasis on all kinds of digital solutions, such as e-voting, heavy use of online banking, and contactless payments, which makes it somewhat more easier to avoid contact with other people.

    Here's one British expat's impressions, for example: https://estonianworld.com/life/five-...h-expats-view/
    Didn't know you were Estonian. Very diverse bunch we are at TTLG. I've read and head a lot about the digital advances, which seem very cool to me. One of the fastest internets in the world, no? I find it weird that the Baltic states have such fast internet. My wife is Lithuanian so I've been a few times. Did you take part in the Baltic Way btw?

    Very few Rona cases in Estonia. May it stay that way.

  17. #1592
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    14 Days ago, 29 March, I asked the question:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    Who do you think will hit 20k deaths first ? I think all three countries have equal chance to be the winner.
    Unfortunately we have a winner today.

    29 March:
    Italy - 92k infected, 10k deaths.
    Spain - 79k infected, 6.5k deaths.
    USA - 125k infected, 1k deaths.

    2 April:
    Italy - 111k infected, 13155 deaths.
    Spain - 104k infected, 9387 deaths.
    USA - 215k infected, 5068 deaths.

    6 April:
    Italy - 129k infected, 15887 deaths.
    Spain - 135k infected, 13005 deaths.
    USA - 338k infected, 9624 deaths.

    10 April:
    Italy - 144k infected, 18279 deaths.
    Spain - 157k infected, 15843 deaths.
    USA - 466k infected, 16478 deaths.

    12 April:
    Italy - 152k infected, 19468 deaths.
    Spain - 166k infected, 16972 deaths.
    USA - 533k infected, 20580 deaths.

    So in 14 days, Italy went from 10k to 19.5k, Spain went from 6.5k to 17k, and the US sprinted from 1k to 20k.
    This is my last post regarding these counts.
    I think we can predict who will hit 30k, 50k and 100k first. If those numbers will be reached. Let's hope they won't.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 12th Apr 2020 at 08:32.

  18. #1593
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    So, an Estonian, Russian and a Finn walk in a bar ... five minutes later they all are dead drunk under the table. (how did you think this will go?)

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    One of the fastest internets in the world, no?
    Don't know about the rest of the world in comparison, but the standard connection seems to be 100-1000Mbits. I live in rural area and have been on 100Mbits for eons now (which is the speed that seems to be widely available). Don't see any reason to get anything better as i only pay ~9 euros per month for it (which i think is much cheaper than the usual rate around here) and hardly ever use it fully.

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    Did you (Stalker) take part in the Baltic Way btw?
    In my case - i was. We happened to have our own transport and ended up having to drive quite far for our spot. People on radios at various spots were helping to direct the influx of people to nearest area with the thinnest line - found our suitable spot in woodland area in the middle of nowhere. Unsurprising from birds-eye view - there is an awful a lot of "middle of nowhere" around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Here's one British expat's impressions, for example: https://estonianworld.com/life/five-...h-expats-view/
    Estonians also expect sincerity. As a Brit, I always greet people with the proverbial “how are you?” and expect a response similar to “good, thank you”. I am not genuinely asking about how the person is /.../
    This. I can never get used to this. The insincerity of the question feels incredibly rude every time i hear it even though i know they are not trying to be an ass. Sure, i can mentally ignore it when confronted by it (a'la "dumb foreigner, ignore it"), but what i really would like to say is: "FFS! Please! Just cut the shit and get on with it!"

    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    What's the culture like there? Is your country more socially distant by nature, or is there a celebratory culture too? That seems to affect how this virus proceeds.
    Stalker already responded to that - and i agree with him. In regards to this pandemic - our culture probably helps. We are fine keeping distance and, i think, are more mindful of others and dangers our actions might impose on them (IF the dangers are understood properly, and that is a big IF. So, misjudgements and stupidity galore - like, probably, everywhere else too).

  19. #1594
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    100K? HELL NO, heparin is a life saver now that the basics of the infection->inflammation->wide microthrombosis process are known.

  20. #1595
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    ... heparin ...
    Oh, you have found a new magic word.
    Well, let's first wait and see how effective this is.
    As said before, a few weeks of research, with a limited number of test-cases, will not give us the full truth immediately.

    If my quick googling is correct, heparin seems to be a rather cheap drug. But you still need access to healthcare to get treatment with heparin.
    Question one: how many people in the US do you think have no health-insurance ?
    Question two: how many people in the US do you think had health-insurance, but have lost it, or will lose it soon, now that they are losing their jobs ?
    Question three: how many of India's 1.3B people do you think will not have access to proper healthcare and thus heparin ?
    Last question: how do you think treatment for the average population, and especially the poor population, will be in countries like Indonesia (267M people), Pakistan (212M), Brazil (209M), Nigeria (195M), Bangladesh (161M), Ethiopia (109M), DR Congo (84M), etc, etc ?

    We have no vaccine. Are we sure we'll get a proper one some day ? We have no cure. The numbers in the US are now 2k+ deaths/day. And still slowly rising. To get an extra 80k deaths, we just need 40 more days. If the number of deaths/day keeps slowly rising, we need even fewer days. Heck, a possible scenario is that by mid-May, the US has 100k deaths. I don't know if that'll happen (nobody knows). I sure as hell hope it won't happen. But it seems still possible.

    Do you still think no country will reach 100K covid-19 deaths ?
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 12th Apr 2020 at 11:17.

  21. #1596
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    New magic word?
    It's clear since months that there's a vascular disease at work (see ACE2 receptors involved), the lungs are literally flooded by blood and water (causing an interstitial pneumonia, reducing the available volume for O2 and CO2 exchange between blood and air) as a byproduct of inflammation process. I'm saying this since my first posts here. Problem is which cases are eligible and which not.

  22. #1597
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    Do you still think no country will reach 100K covid-19 deaths ?
    No *western* country.

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  24. #1599
    Member
    Registered: Apr 2002
    Location: Third grave from left.
    I don't like this ...



    Reminder:
    blue = daily new cases
    green = daily tests
    red = trend-line for daily new cases (slope of the exponential lines is at the top of graphs)
    yellow = daily deaths
    dark red = open cases (ie. alive and still infected) as reported

    S.Korea: Had a relatively small outbreak that never reached 1000 new cases at any day due of their prompt action. Very mild restrictions exposed, but extensive testing and cultural effects have kept the spread under control. For the longest of time was not growing and not dying out either - which is weird. Some unexpectedly stable equilibrium point manifested itself. Except, that lately, it broke free from it and is now dropping.

    Estonia: Our graph somewhat resembles Korea equilibrium line - just at a lower average point and hence much more noisy. Reminder: the highest peak is a counting artifact - it, in effect, combines stats from two days into one. I heard there are plans in the works to start mass testing in our hot-spot island ... will see. Not sure what testing strategy will be employed - i presume it involves some antibody testing too. Or perhaps the idea is to use standard tests just to find all the infected using brute force method in hotspots. Don't yet know.

    Italia: I really do not like this. The decline is slow and consistent (on log scale). Way too slow and consistently so. Good news one might have noticed - there has been a big jump in testing (might not be clear in log scale, but it went from 35K tops to 50K+ region some 4-5 days ago) with only a minor increase in new cases in response. All-in-all ... i am worried.

    Germany: Still do not have any testing data - only an estimated value at various times is known. Latest one of them marked on graph. It seems they do decent testing and daily deaths are relatively low too. New cases have a multi-day-sinus pattern ... weird. Reporting delay artifact? Anyway, new cases are dropping - which is nice - but quite slowly - which is less nice.

    Spain: Nearly no testing data at all. Estimates place it in the "quite bad" region. Otherwise, seems the new-case explosion really stopped and the decline is real. And again - too damn slow decline. Seems that everyone has a agonizingly long tail-decline to deal with.

    France: What are you doing? First you use some creative counting/reporting (read: omitting reports) - causing a huge correction peak. Then your, presumably, reporting delay artifacts get just plain silly. Third - looking through the noise and artifacts - the graph is going the wrong way! It should be decidedly pointing down already - not flapping around the 1.00-1.05 line. And of course, no testing data to speak of. Estimates place it in the "worst of all (that i track)" range - which i hope is very wrong.

    USA: Reached a weird 30K plateau of new cases per day for the time being. Checked test reporting for a few days to see which values can be trusted - less than ~60% left in trustworthy list. Overall - testing is an uncoordinated mess of whatever. Some clearly struggle. Some don't really report anything. Some do fine. What the fuck is the CDC for? How can you have anything resembling a coordinated response for this crisis? I assume they do some counting internally - in secret for some reason. Or maybe not ... why else you need this: https://covidtracking.com/about-project . Also, why does the testing-in-us page at CDC look like some embarrassing garbage one put out on myspace and then promptly forgot about it? There is hope for good news though: new case counts for many states has slowed down in recent days. If that is not an anomaly and keeps up - perhaps nationwide peak is in sight (ie. the declining ones will overtake the rising ones)? Maybe. All i can see is a mess - so, who knows.

  25. #1600
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by zombe View Post
    Italia: I really do not like this. The decline is slow and consistent (on log scale). Way too slow and consistently so. Good news one might have noticed - there has been a big jump in testing (might not be clear in log scale, but it went from 35K tops to 50K+ region some 4-5 days ago) with only a minor increase in new cases in response. All-in-all ... i am worried.
    Yes, more infected (in Milan) but deaths eventually did go down.
    Here in Lombardy only 110 today!

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