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  1. #176
    Relevant to both this and all the political threads:

    https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/

    “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
    – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

    Some counter info to what was posted earlier.
    Whoever made that list is an idiot. Please tell me that's satire.

    First, his statistic is false. The death rate of Coronavirus in the US was cited at 3%.

    Second that "there's less deaths than the flu"....That's not how fucking statistics and data work, even an 8th grader could spot the flaw.

    By his logic: Anthrax kills less people than the flu every year. Therefore it is a less deadly disease. That is obviously stupid to the point of insanity. We don't know how many people Corona would kill "annually" because you're comparing an early stage pandemic that's taken place over the course of two months, to an annually occurring disease with a vaccine that is far more treatable.

    As for "racism being more deadly than disease"...the black death with its estimated 50% death rate would love to have a word with you.
    Last edited by Tony_Tarantula; 7th Mar 2020 at 23:57.

  2. #177
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    It's satire. Unfortunately it is also close to the truth as many understand it.

    But it is satire... right, iceman?

  3. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    What's scary is that the CDC has reported a confirmed case in Rome, GA, which is where I'm going Tuesday.
    MODS! Please isolate the above user for a minimum of 14 days after his last contact. Thank you.

  4. #179
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    I might have to cut back on buying my fine foreign cheeses, but I think I should be okay.

    What's scary is that the CDC has reported a confirmed case in Rome, GA, which is where I'm going Tuesday. The chances of me catching it are incredibly low, but it's still a bit unnerving thinking about it.
    Take a surgical mask and bring it with you, man.
    The only other way to get infected are the TEARS and it's totally impossible.

  5. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    MODS! Please isolate the above user for a minimum of 14 days after his last contact. Thank you.
    Way to go! Now I'm obligated to blow my nose in your sock drawer.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    Take a surgical mask and bring it with you, man.
    The only other way to get infected are the TEARS and it's totally impossible.
    Honestly, it should be the sick people wearing the masks. They're the ones blowing infectious bodily fluids out of their faces onto people's clothes, which can linger for days after. A mask blocks that shit from getting out in the first place.

  6. #181
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    Renz. Good luck. Don’t forget I will always love you

  7. #182
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    I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU, JK!

  8. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Way to go! Now I'm obligated to blow my nose in your sock drawer.



    Honestly, it should be the sick people wearing the masks. They're the ones blowing infectious bodily fluids out of their faces onto people's clothes, which can linger for days after. A mask blocks that shit from getting out in the first place.
    You're right, but there are too many "healthy carriers" around with NO symptoms! So you must act preemptively!

  9. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by icemann View Post
    Not satire. The truth. Whole things being blown out of proportion. Fear is worse than the virus itself.
    That's a sorta yeah, sorta no. Sure, the media's playing it for all it's worth, loading up the big, boomy graphics, and breaking out the talking head experts to give us breathless accounts of how things can go, like, REAL bad, real quick. An epidemic is great for ratings, so this response is to be expected. It isn't anything new. It's been happening literally for decades now. Anyone pointing out this fact isn't some super woke free thinking individual who's above it all. Stating the obvious doesn't make anyone smart, no matter how dead serious and smug the people in the memes are doing their best to look.

    Given how virulent this thing is, that it hasn't broken out, and infected millions of people by this point is a good indicator that our various epidemic response teams across the world have done their job, and kept the situation mostly under control. It's still not over with, but we're probably approaching the worst of it, which isn't all that terrible.

    But on that same note, given how virulent this thing is, if we don't pay it a healthy amount of cautious respect, and people start getting sloppy because they're taking the current state of things for granted, it can break loose, spiral out of control, and give the world a good, hard reaming out.

    So yeah, the thing is being blown out of proportions a bit. But no, the fear isn't worse than the virus. It's pretty bad, and needs to be treated seriously, and with level heads.

  10. #185
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    Honestly, at least here it also depends on what media you follow. It's obviously a top news item everywhere, but some outlets come across as pretty level-headed, while others go for one variety of insanity or another. Under these circumstances, I can't really say that The Media are doing a bad job. Some are, some aren't, and it's pretty much no different than it is with any other big issue.

  11. #186
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    Haru Basho has started today (the March Sumo-wrestling tournament in Japan). Without spectators. I had not expected it, but it wasn't fun to watch at all. Without spectators the tournament lacks spirit, lacks energy. Not fun at all.

    I hope the Olympics won't be played without spectators too. I'm afraid that would ruin the event.

    Edit:
    People are making nice websites to track the infections.
    Here's one for the Netherlands. Very detailed.
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...72254029bf6251

    Look at the nice graphs.
    Red numbers to the left:
    "Bevestigd aantal besmettingen" means: "confirmed number of infections" (currently 265).
    "waarvan overleden" means: "of which have died" (3).
    Yellow graphs to the right:
    "Nieuw aantal besmetting per dag" means: "number of new infections per day" (77 today).
    "Verloop" means: "increase in number of cases" (getting to 300).
    Both graphs look pretty exponential to me.

    My neighboring city (165k people, 10 km from my house) has 2 infections.
    The small village (5k) where I grew up has an infection.
    The larger village (20k) where I went to high-school has an infection.
    The small city (90k) where my dad used to work has 5 infections.

    I don't think this can be contained anymore.
    The weird thing is: most people I've spoken to about this think it'll blow over. They said the virus has been contained in China (not true). And that the number of cases in NL wasn't rising anymore (also not true). As we haven't tested many people (too expensive, causing too much panic, etc) and the incubation time is between 1 week and 4 weeks, I don't think anyone has a clue how many people are infected yet.

    Our ministry of Foreign Affairs has finally said "don't go to northern Italy". Before today they haven't said that yet. A week ago, a group of 900 students from the north of NL went skiing in Northern Italy. Just like that. Tony had some stupid (really stupid) remarks about the Chinese. The fact is: all over the western world people are egoistical, opportunistic and dumb. It's one of the reasons this can't be contained, I think.
    Last edited by Gryzemuis; 8th Mar 2020 at 11:58.

  12. #187
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    I don't think we're anywhere close to the end of it. Over here in the US, we're still in the denial stage.

    Our response has been too late and too reactive. Because of the way this virus spreads, the late onset of symptoms, and the fact that it broke out during winter cold & flu season, it is hard to tell who is infected. By the time someone steps forward, they've already been spreading the virus for a week or two. So if we keep responding to individual cases in a reactive fashion like we have been, we'll always be responding to what the virus did a week or two ago and not what it's doing now.

    And even when we know where there's an epidemic, we're not responding to it seriously enough. We've known for 1.5 weeks that the virus is spreading through community transmission in CA and WA, with Seattle being the hottest spot. Now, with >100 cases and 16 deaths, Seattle is still open for business, kids are going to school tomorrow, student athletics are still on, the downtown public market is still open, theater, sporting events, conferences, etc. If Seattle avoids a major widespread outbreak, it will be because of individual prudence, not public health policy.

    Unless people start taking it seriously, we're going to end up with multiple regions of the country looking like Northern Italy.

  13. #188
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    Meanwhile, The Great Orange One, this past Friday (2/06), boasted to the people at the CDC headquarters during his visit there:

    '“I like this stuff. I really get it,” Trump claimed during his trip Friday to the headquarters of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”'

    However, in reality: 'Scientists have had to explain to Trump a number of times that a vaccine against coronavirus can’t be developed for public use in a matter of a few months, as he has claimed. They have also had to explain the concept of antibodies to him.'

    Yep, we've got a narcissistic moron at the helm of our country and we're all gonna die. God save us from fools and madmen, ffs. *smh*

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/snl-w...091309778.html

    Yeah, Trump is so concerned about the whole coronavirus thing that he interrupted his own ramblings (also while visiting the CDC headquarters) on the subject to ask how his ratings were on Fox News (2:23 into the clip).

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FZ3BwIeiE18" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    I don't even, any more .........

  14. #189
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    Things here are.....diverging :|

    https://www.adnkronos.com/fatti/cron...rEwfbo2WC0nA1A

    The head of the Army is positive.....

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    399-359+113 (death / ex ICU)=153 new ICUs patients

    in 1 day

  16. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia View Post
    Meanwhile, The Great Orange One...

    I don't even, any more .........
    The guy isn't a scientist. This isn't a simple subject. I don't like him either but he's getting entire too much flak for speaking his mind. With another leader they'd keep quiet and be advised where you don't see it, that's all.

  17. #192
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    This is just Trump making things about himself again, which we should all be used to by now.

    Though as usual, Trump putting his two cents in has turned this into a liberal vs. conservative fight. So now we have one group of people clutching their pearls, saying "THIS IS SERIOUS", while another group is running around filming themselves licking doorknobs at old folk's homes cuz it triggers people.

    WELCOME TO AMERICA!

  18. #193
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    Well, it is serious. Not to the level where people should panic, but definitely to the level where everyone should take it seriously.

  19. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia View Post
    However, in reality: 'Scientists have had to explain to Trump a number of times that a vaccine against coronavirus can’t be developed for public use in a matter of a few months, as he has claimed.
    On that note: German scientists have found that the existing drug Camostat Mesilate blocks coronavirus from entering into the lung cells.
    Here is a good English translation and further links: https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...at_might_stop/

  20. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    This is just Trump making things about himself again, which we should all be used to by now.

    Though as usual, Trump putting his two cents in has turned this into a liberal vs. conservative fight. So now we have one group of people clutching their pearls, saying "THIS IS SERIOUS", while another group is running around filming themselves licking doorknobs at old folk's homes cuz it triggers people.

    WELCOME TO AMERICA!
    'MURICA please.


  21. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    I don't like him either but he's getting entire too much flak for speaking his mind.
    It's not that he speaks his mind, but the contents (and lack of contents) thereof.

  22. #197
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    DUUURRRPPP!


  23. #198
    LittleFlower
    Registered: Jul 2001
    Location: Netherlands
    I'm not very familiar with the American cultural heritage.
    But I think the left one is Larry.
    The middle one must be Moe. And the right one then must be Curly.
    Am I correct ?

  24. #199
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    Spot on.

    Out of morbid curiosity, I've been checking out what's happening in major countries that aren't having an outbreak.

    So far, only a small handful of travel related cases in Russia. I guess Russians don't get around much? Likewise, only a couple of cases in Indonesia, even though there's a lot of regional travel in and out? I dunno, but maybe detection there is a bit lagging.

    The real surprise to me was India. With the volume of travel into and out of India from all over, and the population density, it's strange that the case load there is small. I'm hoping it's a sign that the virus is less contagious in a warmer climate, but that wouldn't explain why there's more cases in Malaysia and Singapore. Otherwise, an outbreak there could be big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryzemuis View Post
    I'm not very familiar with the American cultural heritage.
    But I think the left one is Larry.
    The middle one must be Moe. And the right one then must be Curly.
    Am I correct ?
    They're the Speak No Evil, See No Evil, Hear No Evil monkeys.

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