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  1. #2126
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    Registered: May 2004
    Nothing random about it. It clearly shows the cases are going down. That is, if you're willing to dispense with that linear time nonsense people like to cling to for some reason.

    Meanwhile, alternate Earth traveler Lord Dampnut discovers the cause for the virus:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...numbers-259524

    “And don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world,” he added. “But why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”

  2. #2127
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    I think many responses to this have been pretty shambolic. Ours, in the UK, and the USA of course. I'm more impressed by the European mainland. I though the Italians were making a hash of it, especially with the number of doctors that have died, but on reflection I think they, and the Spanish and French, have done a good job.

    Coincidentally three of my favourite countries to visit on holiday and all places I've got on my list of Countries One Could Retire in.

    I have, however, been really impressed with all these efforts to make a vaccine. Amazing that so many different trials are taking place already. I know it's not a co-ordinated response but it does give one a little bit of hope for humanity.

  3. #2128
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: Switzerland
    This is Switzerland, where we have both the money and the political will to put money in research, but I think it’s been similar in various countries. I work at the biggest national funding agency and when the pandemic started, we launched not one but two calls for proposals more or less in record time. There was no question about the money whatsoever. The numbers of proposals were incredibly high compared to our regular calls. Most of our partner organisations in other countries are asking us to do joint calls with them with a focus on COVID-19. My impression is that this is where research funders are finding it relatively easy to get money and to justify their existence, so I’m not surprised there are so many teams who quickly got the necessary resources and are already working on vaccines- though I expect it’ll still be a while before there are any major successes.
    Last edited by Thirith; 17th May 2020 at 15:46.

  4. #2129
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    Registered: Apr 2005
    Location: Watching the puppets thrash.
    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    I think many responses to this have been pretty shambolic. Ours, in the UK, and the USA of course.
    I think the federal government finally made peace with the fact that they are totally incapable of doing anything right, so they are pushing the "this is the price of freedom" line, and patting everyone on the back and exclaiming "mission accomplished". The final push appeared to be to force the economy open, but most people are making due without going back to restaurants and stuff.

  5. #2130
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Just putting here (to do a service) with NO comment of mine

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...dy-brain-toes#

  6. #2131
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Ah, now it all makes sense:


  7. #2132
    Still Subjective
    Registered: Dec 1999
    Location: Idiocy will never die
    Yeah, but the answer to that is "only the lucky ones".

  8. #2133
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    This is not a joke. This is an actual graph released by the US CEA. Note the apparent choice of the Sharpie line type for the critical data.



    And Cubic Fit is not a personal gym, it is a method for manipulating data so it fits your narrative, a standard feature in EXEL.

    Nate Silver, a professional builder of quantitative models, immediately (and, as it turns out, presciently) guessed/joked that the story of Hassett’s model was that he plugged some numbers into an Excel file and then had the computer draw lines until he got an optimistic forecast.
    And BTW, this "econometric" narrative was not produced by the CDC but by White House economists led by Kevin Hassett. That's right, the CDC's Covid19 models were discarded and rewritten by economists, presumably with side gigs as infectious disease specialists.

  9. #2134
    I kind of hate to have to do this, but I do want to point out one thing where I made a very correct prediction:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post

    The right wing has learned a lesson that is extremely dangerous: show up armed. I'm seeing significant chatter to the effect that the right wing has now noticed that the moment they start showing up to events while heavily armed ANTIFA becomes a non-entity and the government just backs down and lets the protest go on unimpeded. ANTIFA had rallied and brought people into Charlotte (they were even checking names on boarding points to ensure control over who attended) and none of them got anywhere near the protest. Expect right wing rallies to increasingly involve large numbers of armed attendees because the perception now exist "if we bring guns they leave us alone".

    That's why it's important to follow what's going on with these nut jobs. They're dangerous, and unstable and it is important to understand what they're going to do so you can either avoid trouble spots or resist them depending on your own personal risk profile.

    Given that the death rate for COVID is probably 11% (Italy) it's a moral imperative to "resist" and as Sun Tzu says you need to know your enemy.


    Quote Originally Posted by SubJeff View Post
    I think many responses to this have been pretty shambolic. Ours, in the UK, and the USA of course. I'm more impressed by the European mainland. I though the Italians were making a hash of it, especially with the number of doctors that have died, but on reflection I think they, and the Spanish and French, have done a good job.

    Coincidentally three of my favourite countries to visit on holiday and all places I've got on my list of Countries One Could Retire in.

    I have, however, been really impressed with all these efforts to make a vaccine. Amazing that so many different trials are taking place already. I know it's not a co-ordinated response but it does give one a little bit of hope for humanity.


    Notice how the best responses are all from "Socialist" countries? More than ever before we have good examples of why single payer healthcare systems are just better.

  10. #2135
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Tarantula View Post
    I kind of hate to have to do this, but I do want to point out one thing where I made a very correct prediction:




    That's why it's important to follow what's going on with these nut jobs. They're dangerous, and unstable and it is important to understand what they're going to do so you can either avoid trouble spots or resist them depending on your own personal risk profile.

    Given that the death rate for COVID is probably 11% (Italy) it's a moral imperative to "resist" and as Sun Tzu says you need to know your enemy.






    Notice how the best responses are all from "Socialist" countries? More than ever before we have good examples of why single payer healthcare systems are just better.
    no guns? here you go


    single payers systems are over run with 1000's dead.
    here nurses are making tik tok videos and getting laid of ................

    under 300k dead GLOBALLY. the fear and numbers did not materialize.

  11. #2136
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    We're just shy of 100,000 fatalities. We lead the world in number of dead.

    Now tell me that the numbers are inflated, or that we're a big country, so OF COURSE the numbers are gonna be larger than anywhere else. Those are usually the two go-to excuses.

  12. #2137
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
    67k from inflated bullshit guidelines..................
    we don't have more deaths than China where it originated, we have more bullshit made up numbers .

    this is from lefty leaning "fact" check
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/ho...9-death-count/
    It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).

  13. #2138
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    It sounds like you've made up your mind then. Why the fuck are you wasting our time, when you could be out waving your gun about at the governor's mansion, demanding your right to get a haircut?


  14. #2139
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    Registered: Nov 2016
    Location: Trollinus Maximus
    I do wonder why I waste my time when you guys obviously can't handle facts.
    out of all the forums I have been part of this is by far the one that lives in the biggest bubble of righteousness.no amount of links or data will change your minds.

  15. #2140
    Moderator and Priest
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Nothing in your links spells out anything. In the CDC link, it doesn't show where they've inflated the numbers. Your Factcheck links shows that hospitals are getting more money from Medicaid/Medicare for Covid-19 patients, but that was expected. If these hospitals are lying to get more funding, then that'd be fraud of the highest order, and you'd be seeing a lot of people going to jail over it.

    All you've given us are broad assumptions you're passing around as fact, then calling us self-righteous, when you yourself come in here, post your "facts", then accuse everyone else of being stuck up when we don't accept it as gospel truth as quickly as you did.

  16. #2141
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    *********We're just shy of 100,000 fatalities. We lead the world in number of dead.***************

    where did that bullshit number come from? democrazy now? because 67k is a bit far from the 100k you posted.

    people should indeed go to jail, if things are so bad as many of you pretend why the fuck are nurses wasting time choreographing damn videos and getting laid off?

    2+2 is not an assumption, the numbers do not justify the level of stupidity the states are engaging in . shit most of you seemingly support, things are not about getting a fucking haircut, it's about getting back to work and earning a damn living because Zeus knows not everyone can afford to stay the fuck home with their thumb up their ass while the bills pile up. you have pigs letting immates out and jailing people for OMG, going to the beach while it's closed.
    Governors are looking to extend shit until the middle of June or early July, you know what actually kills people ? being homeless .............. the shit most of you seemingly support is worse than the fucking disease.

  17. #2142
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    Per your own link:

    Deaths from Covid-19: 67,008
    Deaths from Pneumonia and Covid-19: 29,529

    That's altogether 96,600 Covid-19 attributable deaths. A slightly larger number than the source I was reading from.

    Has it occurred to you that the reason why things aren't as bad as we were initially expecting is because of the heavy handed approach to it? There's a fairly easy cause and effect pattern that can be followed here.

    And what the hell does a few nurses goofing off prove or disprove? It hasn't exactly effected the entire country in equal measures. In Hamilton County, Tennesse, we have maybe 10 beds taken up by Covid-19 patients in Chattanooga. The whole state has only seen 305 deaths. Our nurses and hospitals aren't exactly swamped over here. We even had a temporary hospital set up that we never even had to use.

    Now compare what's happened here to what happened in New York. Quite a bit of difference there, huh? We didn't have to stack bodies in fridge trucks because the morgues were filling up. The pandemic has been pretty chill here overall.

    Guess it's all just a conspiracy, huh?

  18. #2143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzatic View Post
    Per your own link:

    Deaths from Covid-19: 67,008
    Deaths from Pneumonia and Covid-19: 29,529

    That's altogether 96,600 deaths Covid-19 attributable deaths. A slightly larger number than the source I was reading from.

    1. Has it occurred to you that the reason why things aren't as bad as we were initially expecting is because of the heavy handed approach to it? There's a fairly easy cause and effect pattern that can be followed here.

    And what the hell does a few nurses goofing off prove or disprove? It hasn't exactly effected the entire country in equal measures. In Hamilton County, Tennesse, we have maybe 10 beds taken up by Covid-19 patients in Chattanooga. The whole state has only seen 305 deaths. Our nurses and hospitals aren't exactly swamped over here. We even had a temporary hospital set up that we never even had to use.

    Now compare what's happened here to what happened in New York. Quite a bit of difference there, huh? We didn't have to stack bodies in fridge trucks because the morgues were filling up. The pandemic has been pretty chill here overall.

    2.Guess it's all just a conspiracy, huh?
    1. yes, it is indeed possible. no real way to prove it but possible .


    2. we have 30 million unemployed, that is no conspiracy. how many more unemployed will be acceptable by keeping shit closed till early July? suicides from this mess will IMHO outnumber Chinese virus deaths.
    riding home, thank Thor I have a yob and can support my family. sure sucks for those who don't.

  19. #2144
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    No, it's quite easy to prove. All you have to do is look at localized infection rates before the lockdown, and extrapolate what would've happened if we did nothing in response. As is, we've already come within the lower margin of expected deaths by the middle of summer.

    And the shutdown. We're already going through phased reopenings. Even California, which is normally way more cautious than necessary is already in phase one. We're not going be shut down until the middle of July. Hell, the flattened curve was expected to bottom out by mid June.

  20. #2145
    Member
    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Have any prisoners ACTUALLY been released? I know there was a lot of talk and some outbreaks but I can't recall any actual releases.


    Oh and in a shocker newsflash jkcerda goes to hard right sites where they all say it's a lie. Thinking and facts bad. Following conservative herd good.

  21. #2146
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    I believe various states have released around 15k prisoners thus far. Though contrary to popular belief, they're not letting rapists and murderers out into the streets. They've only releasing non-violent offenders who have served well over half their sentence.

  22. #2147
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    Registered: Nov 2019
    Location: Restaurant at end of universe
    I was reading up on Trump's family and read his grandfather died from the 1918 Spanish Flu.

  23. #2148
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    An old schoolmate asked his FB feed if anyone actually knew anybody that's even had coronavirus, and he literally got 50+ affirmative responses within a few hours, and then his logic was, well out of his whole friends list everybody probably knows 10,000 people, so 60/10,000 is still negligible. But my intuition says if you post something like that and get 50+ responses just off the cuff, that's not something one should so easily dismiss. And I know some people didn't reply because I didn't; no way I want to walk into a thread like that.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter what people's anecdotal observations are. Just look at the statistics, and recognize the statistics will get better over time as they get more information about the disease's profile. (The idea there is the stats we have now are imperfect, but still a better guide for policy than nothing, and we can expect in a year or so the statistics will be much better. But what we have now is still sufficient to make some judgments.) And people that think hospitals and state officials would just take bunk statistics to "make money" or to "embarrass Orange Man Bad" (as if he needs the help), I'm not sure you're going to be able to talk sense to them anyway.

  24. #2149
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    Thinking and facts bad. Following conservative herd good.
    If enough of them develop anti-truths, they get herd immunity to logic.

  25. #2150
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    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: Dinosaur Ladies of the Night
    It's difficult to argue with people who think everything is a conspiracy, because any slight discrepancy or weird bit of policy can be used as an excuse to "not believe the narrative."

    Though for those who take it too far, you end up getting this interesting mix contradictory talking points that have been jammed together just because everyone's been passed around on social media some point.

    As far as I can tell, the coronavirus outbreak is a hoax perpetrated by the democrats to shut down the economy, harming Trump for the 2020 election, but Trump did a spectacular job foiling their plans it by shutting down all foreign travel, and recommending hydroxychloroquine as a miracle cure, which the Democrats and their meat puppets in the MSM have been shitting on because they're rather you die from the hoax disease than doesn't exist rather than admit that Trump was right all along. Also, he never said it was a hoax, and the hoax virus was created in a lab in Wuhan WHICH OBAMA TOTALLY FUNDED, and the whole thing was orchestrated by the Chinese to hurt Trump in 2020.

    ...so what's true here? ALL OF IT! Don't believe what they tell you. Do your own research. Think for yourself! OPEN YOUR EYES!

    They'd rather believe that the Democrats, the media, the WHO, the CDC, the NIH, all our various hospitals, all our various medical research facilities, Bill Gates, and Anthony Faucci, and maybe even the goddamn freemasons are all working in tandem to do one thing: hurt the American people, and take down Donald J. Trump, rather than entertain idea that Trump kinda fucked things up a bit, and made things worse by not owning up to it, and correcting course. The simple explanation is a little TOO simple, right? If can't be explained with a flow chart, then it's probably some radical leftist narrative yadda yadda yadda SOCIALISM! COMMON CORE MATH!

    How the fuck do you reason with people like that?

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