Reply With Quotenow i'm playing on expert .
but i've folling problems.
can't find the intruder painting and i have to steal 4 trinkets but i couldn't find one
please can anybody give me some hints
thx i was blindOriginally Posted by Psych0sis
very nice mission thx
now i'm playing on expert .
but i've folling problems.
can't find the intruder painting and i have to steal 4 trinkets but i couldn't find one
please can anybody give me some hints
Intruder painting: It's on a pedestal somewhere in Dewinder's house.
Trinkets: You may have already found some and not realised. If you have a named item that doesn't seem to be for anything that's one. 4 of them are in the mechanist area I believe and 2 more are scattered around the map.
Fun and comfy. Really impressive, maze like cathedral, good job on that. I loved the idea of mechanists refurbishing the place, clash of both styles.
But even though I played on expert, there was really no challenge anywhere, I've breezed through and the only equipment I used were two water arrows and 3 or so moss arrows (mainly in the library area)
Yes, I'm not a big fan of making things too hard that they become more annoying than they are enjoyable (see Midnight in Murkbell for an example of that) but I might have erred too far on the babby-pandering side.
Thanks everyone for the very nice comments, and to those who also post honest feedback. This makes me very excited to keep on working on delivering more and more missions in the future
That's the exact reason why people should think twice before criticizing someone who worked up their butts to provide free missions for others to play!Yes, I'm not a big fan of making things too hard that they become more annoying than they are enjoyable (see Midnight in Murkbell for an example of that
Thanks everyone for the very nice comments, and to those who also post honest feedback. This makes me very excited to keep on working on delivering more and more missions in the future
To be honest, that's a thing I also had to learn first. I'm also a big critic, but I realized harsh criticism can be devastating to the point that someone might get disencouraged to build something new in the future.
People should always have this in mind!Here is an advice from me: To every thing you have to critizice, say (at least) five (really) positive things that are well done! But in a way so the overall vibe still remains positive and the criticism stays subtle. Please everyone be a little bit more sensitive and kind to each other.
Last edited by Karras35; 5th Apr 2020 at 19:20.
I think that's a bit of an overreaction to Psych0sis saying he found Midnight in Murkbell annoying in its difficulty, a sentiment which has been shared by many players over the last 18 years.
What in the hell
I'm sorry, it seems I misinterpreted everything and overreacted too much.
But my post was actually a reaction to mtks comment, not at all a reply to Psych0sis statement about Midnight in Murkbell. He is the one I was fighting for.
I really thought that this
was meant ironic...as a result of this:This makes me very excited to keep on working on delivering more and more missions in the future
I intended to defend Psych0sis mission and in wanted to make a statement about constructive criticism, but it seems it was all a big mistake and I totally misunderstood.. So it was actually not ironic and you're really happy about it.. I see.
Sorry for the trouble.
Edit: Wow this is really embarrassing for me... Now I feel like an idiot... Sometimes the mind can play tricks on you...
Sorry guys... Sorry mtk, sorry Psych0sis! Big Sorry!
Last edited by Karras35; 30th Mar 2020 at 18:05.
No worries!
Oh no, I'm fine with getting ripped into, and I would agree with most flaws pointed out (though I do think the story should be quite obvious and I don't think it was too bad, really not sure how people didn't catch on to what was going on here :P). And in all fairness, I do get a little picky on minimal things myself when posting about other missions, though overall I would like to stress I still do enjoy almost everything I play. My usual rule of thumb is if I managed to beat it and am not mad about it, then it's at least a 6/10 and work up from there.
Anyway, sorry for this semi-offtopic posting, I'm sleepy and bored. Hope everyone has a good time with all the missions, but do remember to give mine 30/30 or I will find you
I beat it in 1,5 hour and collected 4647 loot. Nice mission. I could barely hear city music, you could increase it's volume. Also it's second mission with weather. I'm surprised. Cathedral was really big and complicated. I wish I would have a map of it.
It was very nice to see it snowing in this mission! Cathedral was big and well done. There were lots of good climbing spots. Loot requirements may have been a bit higher. Overall I liked this mission, good job!
Wont load. Get Running Interference, the first T2 mission every time.Using Angel loader 1.4)
Great level, smooth gameplay, nice story of mechanists taking over hammerites. Not too hard to win as well. My only concern is, I feel it a bit weird (even stupid) that despite the cold and snowy weather, nearly all windows are open in this part of the city. How come? At least some explanation in the readables would have been good. Just try it IRL - leave a window open for a night in winter, and see what happens (to you, your furniture and your houseplants as well...). Sorry, I'm not trying to be picky, but this one is weird. However, a well built mission and a good hour of thieving.
Ticky, thank you for the kind words, very happy you enjoyed the mission!
And as for what's in the spoilers... I agree! It is a bit stupid, no one would realistically do this lol. However I ultimately decided to go ahead with it anyway, and here's why.
Main reason - I just don't think it's that big of a deal, if one at all. There are a lot of immersion breaking things in thief if you look hard enough. Why is this guy sleeping on his bed in all his clothes AND shoes? Why are some of the buildings a bit architecturally impossible? (the R&R law offices bridge room, for example!). Also, this point of it being too cold for windows to be open could be applied to pretty much EVERY city fm (or even most fms, honestly) set at night that use a wind ambient, which is almost all of them. Windy nights are very, very cold! Hell, some of the OMs even just have HOLES in the wall, imagine those bedrooms in the winter, oh my! But in all seriousness, just keep in mind that Thief, like many forms of entertainment, relies on the suspension of disbelief. If you think too hard on everything, then it all falls apart.
Secondly - For gameplay reasons, I believed this to be the most reasonable option to choose from. I could have used secret doors with windows textures, sure, but due to how they look WITHOUT transparency (i.e no noticeable difference unless you walk up and try to frob them), this made me not want to make people think like they may be missing some frobbable windows around the map. I would feel pretty bad wasting the time of my players like that. Open windows are easy to notice, and I think is a necessary evil for this purpose. Adding transparency to them, perhaps? Sure, but I still think it's a bit annoying, and a bit unnatural to me (situations like "why is this window clear to see through, but this one isn't?" Gee, talk about immersion ruining!). Also, this ultimately locks me into only making my window openings 4x8, due to the way the texture resolutions are, which would be really samey and would require me to change A LOT of the mission to accommodate. Not good. There's probably a way to make it fit for, say, the 4x6 or 3x7 window openings I used, but I wouldn't know how to do that, especially so stock. And have you seen how the sides of these secret doors look when they have textures applied to them? That's the worst!
Lastly - Perhaps there is a reason for them being open? Maybe a certain smell was unbearable, or perhaps the one nobleman got a little too drunk, and needed a window open for a bit, and then passed out! Did you notice some of the wine bottles nearby the sleeping bodies? Just use a bit of imagination :P !
Thank you very much for this thought provoking discussion! I love hearing opinions like these and using them as an excuse to discuss game design. And again, thank you for the kind words.
Last edited by Psych0sis; 5th Apr 2020 at 23:29.
Thank you! It was really nice to read that, and, it also totally makes sense to me. I mean it.
39xx loot collected and 4 trinkets stolen. Good map, not very challenging but pleasant for sure.
This mission has been updated to v1.1 to add support for French translations (it contains no bug fixes).
i really liked this one. everything was well connected and overall not too spaced out to the point of exhaustion. definitely a big step up over your last entrant. i'd really love to see more from you!
this is exactly how i felt, but the girl with the awesome name expressed it much better than i could!! i really enjoyed this mission... it was somehow low-stress and comfy and classic...
also, Psych0sis!! wow you grew a ton from your dark project anniversary contest entry!! i can't wait to see more missions from you!
That was good news?
This was a pretty decent romp, Psych0sis. A solid 7/10. The cathedral is the highlight for sure, with it's somewhat confusing, yet interesting layout. The rest of the city was quite nicely made, though I do miss some clear landmarks to navigate by. Most of the streets and buildings were very similar, and pretty much all of the entrances that weren't doors were open windows via pipes or wooden planters. I didn't play your entry for the TDP contest, so I can't comment on improvements. Very nice briefing and conversations though. Impressive!
I think I missed a trinket somewhere, I only found 3 in the cathedral (chisel, book and war hammer), then 2 others elsewhere in the city. Where is the 6th one? I ended with 4992 out of 5684. Do you mind if I uploaded and shared the loot list? Thought I'd check first.
Great work!
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Go for it
2 things to note: First you'll find the last trinket in a secret area, check out the room next to the library with the shrine. Then, Unfortunately I made a mistake and made a 10 loot plate unfrobbable, so do not fret if you end 10 loot short of 100%!
Found it, and the 3 pieces of loot in there! Current loot list is HERE. I feel like I missed a whole building somewhere. Like I said earlier, since many of the buildings look the same, its tough to realize which ones I haven't been to. Several times I was sure I found a new one, only to realize I had been there several times.
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