Not to worry, I think I can get my router configured, so lemme know when you'd like to play a round or two. I must warn, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to Quake. But it's about having funOriginally Posted by heywood
If not I'll have to hard reset it and configure it from scratch, which is not something I want to take on near term.
Can I ask what did you go in expecting? Common sense would dictate that modern games trying to emulate games of a particular style and from a particular era would you know, be like the games that they're trying to emulate.
I bought Wrath: Aeon of Fury a few months ago and refunded it swiftly. It's too "90s shooter for its own good" IMO. I got lost in a shitty Hexen-esque hub map. A real shame because the core mechanics I thought were tight and helluva lotta fun.
I was expecting em to keep the good parts of 90's shooters and improve on the bad parts. Both DUSK and Ion Fury just dumps you straight into the first levels and then you're running around shooting dudes, for... some... reason? Some kinda narrative to contextualize what's going on would've helped. Without it I got bored fast. And it's not like this stuff hadn't been invented by the 90's. Strife did a good job of worldbuilding and giving you some sense of purpose. I wish these new boomer shooters could've copied that instead of going with Quake and Doom as inspirations for how to tell their story. (that is: don't bother, just put it in the manual somewhere)
Well, y'know, we moved on from those games for reasons. That being said, I know a lot of players that just flat out don't like story and skip it as much as possible. ...They're not by-and-large into retro gaming, though.
That's a you problem, tough luck. If you see a hole in the market, you could try filling it?
Since HL and CoD set the trends they have gone so far in the opposite direction of "boomer shooters", for far too long. There's been such a heavy narrative focus; an over-abundance of cutscenes/scripted sequences; linearity of level design. I can totally see why the audience has pushed so violently against the tired genre trends of the last 20ish years.
"we moved on from those games for reasons." Who're you to make this proclamation? That sentiment is just like the AAA industry abandoning entire genres which they perceived were dead, when in reality they had ravenous audiences. Eg Survival Horror, flight sims, space flight sims, CRPGs, RTSes.
The obvious sentiments are let the free market decides what games we see more of; and if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Uh, yeah, I never said it was anything other than my issue with these games.
I ran into a snag. I dug out my old (very old) Quake folder and not surprisingly, the exe wouldn't run on Win 10. So I tried the latest DarkPlaces GLQuake port and that had problems too which I haven't had time to research. Maybe I should try the Steam version? I was hoping to use my old Quake folder because I had it full of mods, models, skins, and server settings. I should have some time after the kids go to bed on Tues or Wed to try again.Not to worry, I think I can get my router configured, so lemme know when you'd like to play a round or two. I must warn, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to Quake. But it's about having fun
When it comes to single-player gaming, Henke and Pyrian are right. Doom started out as basically a fancy tech demo. As soon as most gamers got over the initial awe of being able to run around a 3D environment from the first person perspective, they wanted something more than the basic shooting gallery gameplay. Multiplayer was great fun on a LAN for those who had the opportunity, but otherwise people were quick to move on to first person games with more story and/or gameplay depth like Hexen, Dark Forces, Duke 3D or System Shock. Quake also started out like a tech demo. Nobody I knew bothered to finish the single player campaign, and sales didn't take off until QuakeWorld. Even id knew they weren't going to get away with that again, which is why Quake II has an interactive story to drive it along. Multiplayer and the mod scene kept these games popular for a long time, not the single player gameplay. That's the point I think retro shooters are missing.
I'd suggest quakespasm - I seem to recall that was the sourceport which worked the best for me.
Quakespasm also was easy to work with for me last time I tried it, but I didn't do any server-related stuff. Those fancy source ports with all kinds of graphical upgrades always gave me graphics glitches or something else that didn't work right.
I don't think Quakespasm has any fancy graphics upgrades other than higher resolutions?
Literally every game that uses a custom engine "starts out" as a demo of that technology, which then becomes "fancied" into an actual playable game, so how is this in any way a useful statement?
Or are you saying that Doom, the game, is little more than a tech demo? Because if you're saying that, then y'know... fuck you. Doom is a legitimately great game. There's a reason people are still making single-player maps for it almost 30 years later.
Quake, on the other hand, kind of sucked as a single-player game.
Yes that’s what I meant. Quakespasm worked fine, all the other ones I tried that DID have graphics upgrades like Quake HD or Epsilon or whatever glitched out on me or had other things that didn’t work correctly. So that’s why I recommend Quakespasm and besides, the original textures have their own charm.
I agree with ZylonBane that Doom is awesome, every few years or so the urge to replay Doom 1/2 rises in me.
heywood, if you want to move custom maps, models, etc. those can be easily moved to a new installation.
I just got AD back up and running again with Quakespasm on Win10, and it was pretty simple.
I downloaded Quakespasm, extracted it then copied the Id1 folder from the Steam installation directory in to the Quakespasm folder (right-click Quake in Steam, choose Manage>Browse Local Files).
That got Quakespasm up and running.
I then downloaded Arcane Dimensions and the patch.
I then created a folder called ad in the Quakespasm folder alongside the Id1 folder and extracted the contents of the Arcane Dimensions archive in to that folder. I then did the same for the patch, choosing to overwrite files when prompted.
I then created a new shortcut on the desktop and pointed it at the quakespasm.exe file, and named it Arcane Dimensions.
Finally, I right-clicked the shortcut, chose Properties and added -game ad to the target line after the speech marks. Once I Okayed that, I was able to launch straight in to Arcane Dimensions using the shortcut.
Bish, bash, bosh, job's a goodun.
The same should be true for any other mods and maps you want to run.
Thanks Malf.
ZB - It depends on what Doom you're talking about, the single player game originally released in 1993, or the open game platform it evolved into. If not for the reverse engineering and early availability of an editor, and id's unofficial support for it, it would not have attracted the community of map makers and modders that have kept it alive all these years. Doom editing was also easy to get into because of its design and the limited capabilities of the engine. My point is that the lasting appeal of Doom comes from the engine & platform that people can create with, not the original DOOM.WAD.
"Doom is great as a game and not just as an engine because people are still using it as an engine as opposed to playing the game" is a strange take.
I also encountered a slight obstacle. My ISP won't open any ports, so I'm going to have to rent a server from Germany. It'll take a day or two, but at least it's cheap. Also I sent ye a PM.
I unashamedly love both Doom and Quake 1 SP.
Yup, gotta agree. Quake 1 single player is great - lean, tight, well-designed shooting. Certainly better than the clunky brown fetch quests of Quake 2.
And it's hard to recall these days, now that it feels more like a cartoonish shooting gallery, but playing Doom when it was new, it was a heart-pounding, terrifying experience.
But if you're judging either game by the depth of narrative, you're doing it wrong...
I've never actually played Quake beyond the demo. I keep meaning to, but every time I look at it, it's just so very ugly. The aesthetic really has nothing to recommend it. Even the monsters are barely-defined blobs of polygons.
Now Realms of the Haunting, that's something I'd like to power through some time.
See, that's how I feel about Quake 2. Quake 1 has loads of atmosphere, largely due to the soundtrack. You can't play it without the music or it loses half the essence.
Bit late on the reply, but DUSK does actually have context for who you are and what's going on later in the game, though it's told mostly through the environment. It's not perfect by any means, but it is better at storytelling than most of the first episode would have you believe.
Quake's aesthetics do have some depth. It was originally limited to 256 colors. Most games of that color depth chose a broad, general palette evenly divided between various hues, saturations and values. Quake, however, uses a highly constrained, custom-designed palette, allowing greater variety within the colors it relies most on. When I actually looked it up one time, I was startled by how few greens and blues its palette possessed.
Yes, one effect of this palette is that Quake is very brown. There was a brief period of gaming in which this was a good thing.
I'm going to designate that period "Never". Software 3D games like Thief and Terminator: Future Shock somehow managed to depict much more colorful yet also pleasingly-lit worlds with the same 256-color limitation.
Thief looks way better, but its aesthetics are (IMO) the best of the era, and... it uses the very same trick. You can see there are far fewer saturated and bright colors on the Thief palette than a standard one. So, I'm not going to knock Quake because Thief implemented one of its graphical innovations better.
Another good thing about Quake's aesthetics is the way every monster has a distinctive silhouette, aiding quick identification. This is an easy and helpful trick that, even now, many games fail to implement. Sure, some of these shapes are very crudely defined, but I felt this added to the cosmic-horror feel of the game: you're fighting monstrosities that don't obey physics. Yon shambler is a wall of flesh, and a fiend is all claws, mouth and legs, which works for this game.
There's no helping it if Quake runs contrary to your tastes, but it deserves better than "the aesthetic really has nothing to recommend it."
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What? Terminator Future Shock more like 256 Shades Of Grey.
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