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Thread: T2 FM Raven creek V2 - Update

  1. #76
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    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Sheffield, UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Acolyte6 View Post
    Where is that puzzle? The vault door is not parted, & what Flare? Found the stars over the bed, but I really don't get what that is about.
    If you get on the lords bed & look up there's a map of stars with lines between them, which if you squint a bit look a little like the heads of various animals

    As I remember it's a bear, a horse, a cat & a wolf the lines linking them give a the order

    Frobbing the animals outside the safe in that order opens a panel with a lever to open the safe & a flare for the dynamite the panel is next to the horse

  2. #77
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Playing on Normal I seem to think the correct order of the animals was the opposite order of the star sign order. Starting with bear meant I had to have a flash bomb handy very quickly. Better to start with the wolf.

  3. #78
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    Registered: Nov 2010
    I am completely stumped in mission 3 - where the heck is the telegraph office. I have gone around six times.

  4. #79
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: CT, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by lordhern View Post
    I am completely stumped in mission 3 - where the heck is the telegraph office. I have gone around six times.
    It's very close to your starting place.

  5. #80
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Ah! Dahenjo got there first. I spent so long checking, but if you're still stuck ...

    Assumptions:
    (a) The Ravenís Creek Telegraph (as it says in the objectives) is the Raven Creek News.
    (Iím pretty sure thatís the case).

    (b) On the compass, the long spike is pointing South.

    EDIT: Belatedly realised the long spike has a lighter tip so perhaps it's North. What do I know? Anyway assuming it's South ...


    If you are currently in the North area of Raven Creek
    then head South West through the double gate door.
    The Raven Creek News building is just in their on the Left (to the East).

    If youíre in the South area of Raven Creek near the Hammer place
    then head West to the wall (the Southern most part) and enter the Burrick park through double gate doors and go West to other side. Then go North through double doors and through washing line clothes. Go past the hole in the ground where you first came up (as Dahenjo says). The Raven Creek News is up there on your Right (on the East side).

    I think the thing youíre looking for is upstairs.
    Last edited by Aged Raver; 27th Feb 2021 at 04:19.

  6. #81
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    Registered: Nov 2010
    Thanks - I didn't consider the raven news to be the telegraph office. I had looted the news first thing in the mission - but I had missed that readable on first my pass so I had never returned on my six passes around the burricks.

  7. #82
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    Registered: Oct 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by Aged Raver View Post
    (b) On the compass, the long spike is pointing South.
    Actually it's pointing north, but yes it's a slightly confusing compass, so I checked in Dromed and yes the long spike (with a silver tipped point) is pointing north.

  8. #83
    New Member
    Registered: Oct 2003
    Location: WA, USA
    That is amazing news! Thank you Christine!

  9. #84
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Thanks fortuni. At least I know what direction Iím going in now. What I really need is a magic compass that points to missing loot. I return daily to the excellent Mission 5 (Lord Wilsonís Party) for about an hour (for at least 8 days now) hoping that inspiration will strike. I have an 85 shortfall (75 Gold and 10 Goods) and all discipline has gone, plus Garrett has been eating sugary comfort-food in times of stress (unaware of the stealthy approach of diabetes). All schemes to learn how Christine thinks have failed and I run about like a madman hoping to magically stumble on a Gold Hammer, or something. As a last resort Iím trying the well-known post about it and then discover it by yourself trick.

    Before reaching madman stage I seemingly examined every blade of grass and felt I became aware of every painting (and duplicates), the dangerous heating, the bunk-bed shortage and the endless copies of Caxton's rare Ryal Book printed in 1484 (even the guardís writing room has a copy). I suspect Thoma dumped a load of multiple fakes on Wilson.

    Iíve tried flushing the toilets so all seats are up, and flushing so all the seats are down and all I discovered was that poor Lady Wellhoffer and her husband have to share a chamber pot. Lord Ashton across the corridor meanwhile has bath/sink/flushing toilet and a roaring fire and clock. On her behalf I tried walking from her cold bedroom to the downstairs Throne Room. (Itís long way and involves some fresh air). Admittedly Lady Wellhoffer is young and able and perhaps sheíll get friendly with Ashton and use his toilet (and bath). Having said that, it seems he might have been embarrassed by Lady Lotti's suitcase contents, so perhaps not. (Disappointingly I couldnít open her case). Wilson is clearly a bounder to treat his guests like guardsmen.

    The man also seems illogical. If he doesnít want the lamps on all the time he needs to invest in windows to let some daylight in. He complains to staff about so many things while tolerating his many clocks (25) showing 10 different times. As for the grandfather clocks (which actually do move, all 4 in time with each other) they have the strange property that when the minute hand moves by 10 minutes, the hour hand moves by one hour. To put it another way in 60 minutes, time advances by 6 hours.

    In the manic desire to get loot, I killed 8 squirrels, all the beetles (I think 8) and several times hit the same raven flying overhead. But no reward from Lord Wilson although admittedly by that stage he was unconscious. To pass time, waiting for genius to strike, I placed everyone I had blackjacked (48 persons) in neat rows of seniority on the front grass, apart from Wilson who was in a line of squirrels.

    Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

    I blame lockdown. Do the two water fountains either side of the Hammer altar do anything? I have a blind spot. All secrets have been found so the 85 must surely be in easy sight. With most missions I donít bother about 100% Loot. The fact Iíve gone over this one so critically (why are those champagne glasses with a bottle of Jim Beam?) is because I love it. As everyone has said the furnishings are exquisite. From a health and safety perspective a few windows and chimney breasts would have been nice (although not one above the other).


    I have no idea how much time and energy and effort have gone into creating this, but itís a work of love, I think. Thank you Christine!!! I only recently (in the last 8 days) sadly read your post of Aug 2017 about your husbandís stroke and I sincerely hope all is as well as can be for your family. All the best to you. Thank you again. Itís much appreciated.

  10. #85
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2012
    I’m writing a walkthrough with loot list atm, should be done by end of day, but probably a bit too early to post unless Christine gives her blessing, could could PM you the loot list so long as you don’t share it publically.

  11. #86
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    Registered: Dec 2001
    Location: OldDark Detox Clinic
    I don't know if it will actually help me to play this mission, but I've got 32GB of RAM on its way to replace my current 4GB. I had to stop playing when I first tried it, it was just way too choppy in the outdoors area.

    I didn't order it for this mission, but when I was ordering the new RAM, this mission actually came to mind. It's going to be one of the first things I try.

  12. #87
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    @fortuni Thatís very kind of you. Thank you. Iíve gratefully used many of your lootlists in the past. I wonít disclose a thing.

    @uncadonego For what itís worth I have 4 GB ram and no noticeable choppiness. Iím still on Win7 Pro 64 bit. Itís a Dell Inspiron 1720 laptop with 444GB Solid State drive of which 242 GB are free. It looks like I use 4094 MB of it as additional virtual memory. Sadly thatís about the limit of my computer knowledge these days.

    The laptop does get warm when playing certain Thief FMs including this one and I usually know itís time for a rest when my knees get uncomfortable. I may need to clean the fan of packed dust.

  13. #88
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Location: CT, USA
    Quote Originally Posted by uncadonego View Post
    I don't know if it will actually help me to play this mission, but I've got 32GB of RAM on its way to replace my current 4GB. I had to stop playing when I first tried it, it was just way too choppy in the outdoors area.

    I didn't order it for this mission, but when I was ordering the new RAM, this mission actually came to mind. It's going to be one of the first things I try.
    The original/V1 had some serious lag issues, esp around the Hammerite area, but that's been entirely fixed in V2. On V1 I had the lag on a powerful desktop w/32GB so it wasn't specs related. That said, it'll likely play better/really well on the new 32GB if you can wait till it arrives, and is such a fine campaign to enjoy with Thief running its best. Of course your cpu and graphics card could affect performance too depending on what you have.

  14. #89
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    Registered: Oct 2012
    Following Dahenjo's instructions to access the vault found here and that sequence doesn't work for me, everything works up to the point that Garrett doesn't say he now got a plan and thus the bird doesn't fly out of the cage when I frob the Keeper book behind the picture nearest to the Raven.

    Typical, curse of the forum....again!

    Found the final lever, there's another lever beside the fire arrow emitters behind the NE painting that is exposed after the fire arrow trap has been triggered, only after you frob that lever does Garrett say ‘this is want I have been looking for' and after that does the Raven escape from his cage.

    Edit: Would appear that it does not matter what order you frob the 10 items, I tried 20 different combos and they all work, Garrett saying 'This is what I have been looking for' when you frob the last item, after which the Raven escapes from his cage and opens the vault.

    Items to frob
    Raven's cage
    Raven on top of west bookcase (causes explosion revealing 2 more items)
    Rubic cube on desk
    Chair ,(may not need to do that as the explosion will cause the chair to swivel anyway)
    Telephone
    Lever on back of post SE standard lamp
    Laboratory dial on top of NE bookcase
    Lever on top of SE bookcase
    Keepers book behind NW painting(after explosion)
    Lever behind NE painting (after explosion)

    As for the vault code it would appear that there isn't a code as such, all you need to do is frob the bear to reveal the lever in the other alcove, the other animals seemingly are decoration only.
    Last edited by fortuni; 28th Feb 2021 at 19:47.

  15. #90
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    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Texas
    I play on windows 10 laptop with 4 gig ram and a hd card and had choppiness in the first version, but in this version no choppiness at all.

    Fortuni I would love your walkthrough.

  16. #91
    hinndog
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    Hi Christine!

    I just made my first ever post on the Night Falcon new version thread that Soul Tear recently made.

    I wanted to say a special thank you to you...

    Raven Creek was the mission that got me into Thief!

    I had heard that the Thief series was the best there was for stealth, but every OM video I saw just looked a little too old. I guess I'm a sucker for graphics :-)

    But early one morning before work back in December, I went to youtube to give Thief one more chance lol.

    It was still dark outside, I only had the light of my monitor. Also happened (fortunately) to be wearing headphones.

    I stumbled onto a Raven Creek video by Dahenjo.

    And I got sucked in. Like, it clicked. I finally got it.

    Couldn't believe how immersive it felt. How gorgeous the artistic details were. How big a part sound played. How cozy it all felt.

    I've only ever played fan missions -- never the original games lol. I'm sure people will think that's silly, but oh well. Maybe one day I'll get around to playing them.

    Anyhow, just wanted to thank you for luring me into the world of Thief fan missions :-) Yours are some of the very best.

  17. #92
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2004
    Location: Sweden & Florida
    Glad you like them. Now you got over (I stopped counting at) 800+ more to go. Good Luck

  18. #93
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    Registered: Oct 2004
    Location: Sweden & Florida

    Flare issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Aged Raver View Post
    Playing on Normal I seem to think the correct order of the animals was the opposite order of the star sign order. Starting with bear meant I had to have a flash bomb handy very quickly. Better to start with the wolf.
    That is the right order

    As for the flare. I can't get the flare to ignite the dynamite. The flare won't come on. Flares usually come on when you choose them, but this one won't do anything. Shut both bookshelves to make it dark in the vault room. The flare won't light

  19. #94
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Quote Originally Posted by Acolyte6 View Post
    I can't get the flare to ignite the dynamite. The flare won't come on. Flares usually come on when you choose them, but this one won't do anything. Shut both bookshelves to make it dark in the vault room. The flare won't light
    I think this is a special flare. I put the dynamite in front of the vault door and then got close so it highlights and then sort-of frob it with the flare to get the fuse going. Preferably have one bookcase open so you can hide in the other room when it explodes.

    Edit: Bizarrely although the 2 guards came running double quick if I chose the wrong order of animals they did not come running when I made an explosion. So no problem having a bookcase open.
    Last edited by Aged Raver; 6th Mar 2021 at 15:37.

  20. #95
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    Registered: Mar 2012
    Location: Moscow, Russia
    The music in the new version surprised me. Unusual for Thief, but beautiful, as is the design. Made a hundred screenshots.
    It looks like this is the first project where Christine actively uses soundtrack.
    Last edited by Soul Tear; 10th Mar 2021 at 17:12.

  21. #96
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    Registered: Mar 2012
    Location: Moscow, Russia
    Quote Originally Posted by hinndog View Post
    I've only ever played fan missions -- never the original games lol. I'm sure people will think that's silly, but oh well. Maybe one day I'll get around to playing them.
    Here's what I think is really silly: play only original Thief and ignore FMs. The Seven Sisters, Broken Triad, Lord Alan's Factory - I won't be lying if I say that all this goes beyond the original games, no matter how good and loved they were.

  22. #97
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    Registered: Oct 2012
    Walkthrough

    All the loot, secrets, optional objectives.

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