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Maybe it's a patriotic pipeline and it just wants to be mobilized.....
That was a future project, not the existing pipeline. Saying that future construction projects would end up being canceled if Russia invaded isn't anything like saying they're going to blow up the existing infrastructure.Originally Posted by RippedPhreak
Also, why would Biden do that right before the midterms? This is only going to jack up prices on natural gas, so it is going to increase inflation on energy prices. It's definitely NOT something the Democrats would want to do 2 months before the mid-term elections.
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Maybe it's a patriotic pipeline and it just wants to be mobilized.....
Good position oriented toward USA.An "incident" like that can make the gas price skyrocket and so reconsider the position of Germany (and Italy).
Сurrent damage, future repairs.
Compensate by what... ukrainian line? With what tariff ...x2 ...x3
Arbitrage (opinion from video above) in current reality?
I think, these are Polish saboteurs under American instuctors.
But you are will not accept this opinion because you are getting information about CIA only from one place in LA City.
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I'm really NO "US savior of the world" guy. Of course US is an economic empire using "civil rights" as a crowbar.....but I can't stand russian imperialistic ideology adopted from Dugin identitary fascism. Because that's what it is, FASCISM.
Ukraine-wise, I'm a Makhnovist.
It's certainly possible. But what's the motive? The USG wanted Germany to give up on Nordstream 2. That happened at the beginning of the invasion. The USG wanted NATO countries off of Russian gas. That's happening faster than most thought possible. Nordstream 1 was down to 20% before Gazprom shut it down, and it's been shut off for about a month now, with no plan to bring it back online. So what's the payoff for the USG? There's nothing gained in the near term from attacking a pipeline that's not in use. But there's a lot to lose if it can be pinned on the USG.
drunken bydlo, yes it's info-occasionbeing assaulted on the street for not speaking Russian
Civilians executed in areas under Ukrainian control, can we talk.civilians executed in areas under Russian control.
One microdistrict in Mariupol has been restored. Already better than one traffic light.
And my native Azov sea (I'm from Rostov) is clean now from "Azov" nazi.
How do you imagine the overthrow plan especially if the niche is occupied by protesters nurtured by the State Department, Soros ...and substitute further.
I can also ask, why you don't overthrow your sectarian elites, who continued to live all these decades with mentality of the Cold War?
Ok, nothing dialogue. You are Angels with indulgence.
This is an intelligent question and a (VERY) good argument and that's the way to question Navalny.....not poison him with Novichok.
About "Soros" (and his "Open Society" foundation).....in the real world he counts ZERO. He counts only in antiUS and freemasonry-centered fantasies.
Here in Italy/Western Europe you can find these kind of fantasies tipically in ultra-nationalists and fascists minds, eroding them with mythological proportion conspiracies about gay lobbies and so on.....(we got our own "nazbol" AND hardcore traditionalists overlapping the proper fascist movements for the 99%)
But for you - the russians - your barons name Soros because they know him really well since the Cold War, being active in fighting communism back in the '80s (when he was an Orban friend and not an enemy like today, being Orban ~ Rigozin/Zirinovskij)
Just try to realize that your mindset is dangerously next to the western fascists when it comes to fight "liberalism".....
In fact it's a situation really similiar to the "fascism" meaning problem. You call fascism the russophobia-driven nationalism (->Bandera), we call fascism any identitarian nationalism opposed to progressive and liberal views and with spiritual/idealistic components (not strictly from religion but there's a reinforcing closed loop)
"mentality of the Cold War" is just a stance for the "attrition times" (the today war situation), they only care personal profit - like Medvedchuk or Kolomoisky - sponsoring a very individualistic paradigma of society in constrast to russian elites (but it's convenient for us to avoid things exactly like mobilization in the name of the "nation" or the "motherland").I can also ask, why you don't overthrow your sectarian elites, who continued to live all these decades with mentality of the Cold War?
Last edited by lowenz; 29th Sep 2022 at 17:51.
Good conclusions. Will try to parry:
1. Not by USG (so that Biden directly gave a pep talk: Let's go). Local initiative.
2. Two explosions on each pipe. Why did we have to increase the degree of damage?
3. On the eve of the Polish line opening. My new thought contradicts the previous statement but maybe the Poles also decided to substitute.
4. Maybe the British from whom Poles will pull part of the gas from the Norwegian pipe. And in the hope that our Russian saboteurs will take revenge to Polish line.
Last edited by Silentor; 29th Sep 2022 at 20:23.
Ah yes, nothing says we're fighting nazis better than attacking Jew Soros & Hollywood-Jew-manipulated American stooges paying crisis actors in Russia as part of their Elder's of Zion worldwide cabal, where no population has free will to dissent, they can only be Jew paid stooges. (9_9) Could you be any more of a caricature?
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Edit: Don't try your whataboutist voodoo on me either. I was just making the point somewhere else that the first question Russian soldiers have when they "liberate" east Ukraine villages is "Where are the nazis?", and then they get looks of disbelief, just like US soldiers would ask Afghanistan villages "Where are the terrorists?" during the Afghanistan war and get the same looks of disbelief.
Of course for as much as Putin & the Russian establishment still hate or distrust the US & its intentions, they still really love the US war on terror, which was one of the US's lowest points this century after T***p. We can call that a whatabout boomerang!
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No we are no angels, but the bulk of our experience with Russia in the past centuries is Russia invading us, trying to suppress our culture, killing our judges, police, and intelligentsia. Why would we want to dialogue with a brutal empire like that when it's still clearly on the path of doing it. This is the experience of many of Russia's neighbours.
And Russian atrocities in Ukraine are undeniable. There's not just witness testimony, not just mass graves, not just corpses of civilians left on streets with hands tied behind their backs, there's actual CCTV footage of Russian soldiers committing these crimes.
Not to mention the war itself - which is also a crime (Russia, not Ukraine, broke all the treaties).
Just watched the annexation ceremony, of course as a good fascist and Mussolini spiritual follower Putin has talked about SATANIC WEST (yes, they're his words, the same of Trump and every far-right leader) and "SPIRITUAL POWER OF RUSSIA"
This kind of "talks" is just what here in Italy we listen everyday since WW2 by the survived far-right nuts (and now they're in power, geopolitically by the US side, but the talks to their minions - pardon, electors - are just carbon-copies of this and I mean LITERALLY carbon-copy, same flow, same "reasoning", same words *LITERALLY* and of course because there's the same duginian think tanks hand behind )
Dear Putin, you make Benito proud.....and insult all russians died in WW2.
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Our far-right new president
"La dichiarazione di annessione alla Federazione Russa di quattro regioni ucraine dopo i referendum farsa svoltisi sotto violenta occupazione militare non hanno alcun valore giuridico o politico.
Putin dimostra ancora una volta la sua visione neo imperialista di stampo sovietico che minaccia la sicurezza dell’intero continente europeo. Questa ulteriore violazione delle regole di convivenza tra Nazioni da parte della Russia conferma la necessità di compattezza e unità delle democrazie occidentali”.
LULZ, this woman for 10 YEARS just did say the same words of Putin (*SAME*, copy-carbon about satanism, gender theory and so on) but now to save herself in front of US accuses Putin of "SOVIET imperialism" when the SOVIET society is exactly what Putin totally destroyed (and about this aspect Putin is honest, he really hates communism like a good fascist of course does).
She can't say Putin is a just a liberal traditionalist like herself and shares her believes and system of believes.
So Blame the Communists! as always. Blame the Soviet (they don't even know what "soviet" means). Don't even think to say the truth about colonialism=imperialism=tribal/feudal vision of society (like Putin and russian elites appreciate and support as medium of "order" 'cause that's the root of the evil, the obsession with "order" ).
On the other hand Blame Satan (Putin of course can't openly blame the Soviet in Russia, so there's Satan and Soros and so on......they always converge in Soros, LOL )
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Yes, mentioning "Nazi" is excessive. Navalny could simply be ignored.
But you are shouted: wolves, wolves! And finally woke up the Russian Bear with all his clubfoot.
USA remaining one bull in the china shop after the Cold War, began to cross "red lines" (how it's popular to say now). This gave a psychological carte blanche to Putin's aristocracy.
Read about Medvedchuk (whose cost 160 real nazi). Not our son of bitch, just another ukranian corrupt official who managed to make Putin his daughter's godson. And even if he was engaged to the creation of an agent network, which he is accused of in Ukraine, its effectiveness was the same as that of the "troll factory". Just mastering the budget. But there is a reason to blame. As with Trump, whose name is already being replaced with asterisks (as Voldemort?!) and placed to the first stage above breach of all the treaties to other countries.
Oh, Soros also jew? Sorry
The cold war was back on the moment Putin took charge and declared Russian expansionism to be a goal. Everyone understood him to mean exactly what he is doing in Ukraine right now and if he is at all successful will do in other countries as well. Everything else is just excuses and subterfuge. Silentor knows this. What he does not understand is that muddying the water with the excuses and misdirection is not going to work outside of Russia. The rest of us see him clearly.
And yeah, that Sorros stuff is just a conspiracy nutter thing. Q mostly, but it was attempted to be insinuated as a staple of Republican talking points on rightwing talk shows to very limited success.
The Red Army has been created by an ukranian jew, so what? :vOh, Soros also jew? Sorry
Imperialist russians always loved pogroms.....you know that before Hitler the very same emperor Wilhelm II appreciated tsarist Russia pogroms as cleaning tool.....and so a good chunk of 'muricans (like Ford).
You're more anglosaxons than you can believe......
You people really should not be that toxic towards each other.
But ukrainians don't exist, right?You're all russians.....
Azov real Nazi? Don't be so naive
This is a proper nazi RUSSIAN party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity
And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Army
It's way more old.
It's all about Soros opposition to USSR (when he was a young immigrate) and being a liberal. Russians used to hate him for the first thing but they've discovered they can teach everybody to hate him 'cause he is a jew.
In fact post-soviet Russians just (re)discovered the power of antisemitic conspiracy theories born in tsarist Russia and used during the Civil War by the White Army against the bolscheviks (being Trotsky a jew): now they use these fantasies not againt communists but against liberals (as Trump/GOP do).
The red (ukrainians) jews! The poor russians just oppressed! The ukronazis! The poor russians just oppressed! (x2)
And now by SATANISM itself ahahahah, thanks Vladimir Vladimorovich Putin to just bring the stupidity to the maximum level possible, more than Romanov family
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michael row your boat ashore koombayah and all that then. We are talking about a Russian invasion.
Fyi, Stalin started persecuting Jews in the 50's too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot
It's possible that if he hadn't died, the Soviet Union would have suffered its own Jewish Holocaust
According to Louis Rapoport the alleged deportation was planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"According to Louis Rapoport the alleged deportation was planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"
To Silentor, so maybe now he can realize the "all thing": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Barkashov
During the Russo-Ukrainian War, Barkashov actively supports the Russian-backed separatists. In a leaked audio recording from spring 2014, Barkashov consulted Dmitri Boitsov, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Army.[9] According to Barkahsov's words, his own son fought with a column of pro-Russian fighters against Ukraine.[10]
There's nothing to add about who's the real nazi
Of course the real nazis are russians (and it can't be otherwise 'cause there are ONLY russians, "ukrainians" just don't exist for russian nationalists)
It's just perfect for today sovranists ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereigntism#Russia ) , they LOVES Stalin, they just can't say it openly.
The "last piece" they can't say - 'cause it's totally nazi - is this (and I mean today nationalist-liberalist russian elites): "We really don't hate anglo-saxons as we say in public, the "Albion" thing is just a rhetoric, we're not racist - like you - in fact we're so similar to OLD glorious americans, we would love them IF NOT FOR JEWISH INFECTION THEY MADLY DON'T FIGHT......."
That's what virtually *every existing nationalist* (in every christian and islamic country) thinks. In USA like in Russia like in every European country: it's just the Henry Ford antisemitic paradigm about what corrupts "naturally good" capitalism.
And this thing has 2 parents (parent 1 / parent 2 ! ): the Catholic Church AND the Orthodox Church.
Maybe it's the definitive proof that a marriage between the same genre has really really bad consequences
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Since the Global American Empire will not accept any resolution except the death of Putin (or for him to step down and be exiled which would end with his death), further escalations are inevitable. They will not leave any way out, so...WWIII it is!
For the record, I don't support Putin, I just don't care what goes on over there and I think it's silly for us to send $100 billion of our money (or whatever the amount is up to now) to fight Putin when we have so many problems to fix right here at home.
You prefer the global "no more american" empire until the fight will be between China and Russia?
Don't be a fool, there are NO communists and not even "sovranists" in Stalin fashion (you americans can call them "pseudoautarchic isolationists"), they're identical to US about market and finance.
"Global Russkij Mir" (Eurasia -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism ) will be just another empire, born from the ashes of the european ancién regime. Just another elite of "knights" and "nobles". The same way Hitler envisioned SS membership.
Political scientist Anton Shekhovtsov defines Dugin's version of Neo-Eurasianism as "a form of a fascist ideology centred on the idea of revolutionising the Russian society and building a totalitarian, Russia-dominated Eurasian Empire that would challenge and eventually defeat its eternal adversary represented by the United States and its Atlanticist allies, thus bringing about a new ‘golden age’ of global political and cultural illiberalism
In synthesis, that's it. American GOP is so politically ignorant, blind and stupid that has just become instrumental to this, not even realizing why or how.
You don't understand Putin vision about politics. Putin WANTS to destroy the "corrupted" West to "save it" just like is destroying Ukraine for the very same belief. He REALLY believes this shit. Just listen to the annexation stream, he just thinks we're under SATAN influence.They will not leave any way out
It's not a West decision.
For the record Putin is just a "chosen one" (seen as too much liberal) of a long tradition of russian imperial irredentism -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rutskoy
Communist (like Rutskoy) or liberal (like Putin) doens't matter. They simply want to "reclaim" what they think the West robbed them. For the not-communists (and so liberals like Putin/Zhirinovsky or fascists like Dugin or hardcore nazi like Barkashov) this kind of reclaiming process gets a spiritual dimension they REALLY are in.
It's why Communism was better for US. No spiritual shit about the "End of Times" and so on from a state with 6000 nuclear warheads. But US seem to know nothing about these political systems and dynamics. SO IGNORANT. And GOP, more than Dem, is abysmal.
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