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  1. #726
    If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care? And if Putin wished to destroy the corrupted West, he could just fire off all his nukes today. Yet he does not...curious. Anyway how could he destroy the West when he has so much trouble with Ukraine only?

    As for Meloni, she has been placed in the driver's seat, yes. But like Trump she will soon find that the steering wheel and pedals are not connected to anything. She will not be allowed to change any policies that matter. Italy is doomed, just as America is doomed. Sometimes the real powers allow a Trump, a Salvini or a Meloni to win, just to keep people engaged with the voting system. To fool people into thinking that voting matters. But in reality the globalist agenda continues, no matter who is the fake figurehead in the chair.

  2. #727
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    michael row your boat ashore koombayah and all that then. We are talking about a Russian invasion.
    Standards of conversation don't need to change just because a war is going on. The world didn't suddenly turn black and white on 24 Feb.

    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    Since the Global American Empire will not accepny resolution except the death of Putin (or for him to step down and be exiled which would end with his death), further escalations are inevitable.
    I think we would be fine with a Russian withdrawal to its internationally recognized borders. If Putin is willing to fight to the death over the territories he's invaded, further escalations are inevitable.

    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care?
    China and Russia wouldn't fight it out if we went isolationist. China would let Russia have Eastern Europe and the Middle East. China will happily buy up Western Europe and extend it's sphere of control over Asia and Africa, then move on to buying up Aus, NZ, Canada. Then we'll go invade Canada, get our assess kicked, and that will be the dying breath of our empire ambitions.

    Or we use this as an opportunity to get Europe properly capable of defending itself, and have an equal partner in defending Western liberalism.

  3. #728
    China would let Russia have Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
    ....good? I mean, who cares? Actually if Russia could not keep its USSR territories, how do you think it can retake them all, plus the middle east?


    China will happily buy up Western Europe
    It sounds like Euro governments should...not sell their countries to China then? Have you talked to them about not doing this?


    Then we'll go invade Canada, get our asses kicked
    Who is "we?"


    we use this as an opportunity to get Europe properly capable of defending itself.
    Sounds like Europe's problem.


    an equal partner in defending Western liberalism.
    You are inviting in millions of immigrants from countries that are not "western-liberal." Thus in a few decades, Europe will be populated by peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.

  4. #729
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    If there is a fight between China and Russia, why do I care? And if Putin wished to destroy the corrupted West, he could just fire off all his nukes today. Yet he does not...curious. Anyway how could he destroy the West when he has so much trouble with Ukraine only?
    He wants to destroy (spiritual) corruption in the West identified with USA politics, not the West (he wants Europe in Eurasia project) but of course he will read the NATO/UE "No, the evil is you, dear Putin" like Satan (USA) possessing a body (NATO/UE). And so he'll react.

    As for Meloni, she has been placed in the driver's seat, yes. But like Trump she will soon find that the steering wheel and pedals are not connected to anything. She will not be allowed to change any policies that matter. Italy is doomed, just as America is doomed. Sometimes the real powers allow a Trump, a Salvini or a Meloni to win, just to keep people engaged with the voting system. To fool people into thinking that voting matters. But in reality the globalist agenda continues, no matter who is the fake figurehead in the chair.
    Conspiracy fantasy of someone who feels without any power.
    The REAL world is much more simple, 'cause all the leaders want to go "global" (without saying it of course)

    I can talk for days and days about Salvini (Dugin just "instructed" him in Kremlin) or Meloni (she's just a Tolkien nerd speaking the same words of Putin but standing with NATO, it's the same stance of all post-fascism far right movements since WW2 in Italy but "Forza Nuova" because they're just pure religious fascists ADORING messianic deus ex machina like Putin - Mussolini best scholar until now I must say)

    Salvini and Dugin, in Kremlin some years ago (photo never got public here in Italy, just think why):

    Last edited by lowenz; 30th Sep 2022 at 16:47.

  5. #730
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    Thus in a few decades, Europe will be populated by peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.
    But they're not doing 10 sons per couple. They're already "corrupted" by Satan

  6. #731
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    Who is "we?"
    We is us and not you. This forum is mostly Europeans, for example, so when you say fuck Europe why do we care, you're speaking for yourself and declaring yourself "not one of us".

    It seems like you like to play Thief FMs, in which case it looks like you want to be one of us at least on those grounds. But you know most people that make FMs are Europeans too. Some are even Middle Eastern Muslims!! So you're telling them you don't give a fuck about them either.

    You're going to have to do some soul searching about if you really belong on an international forum like ours if you don't share the values of decent humanity and respect for an international community like "ours".

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    Edit: Right, to summarize:

    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.
    Protip: Western liberalism is the globalist agenda. So you can drop this facade. Your position is explicitly non-Western and illiberal.
    Last edited by demagogue; 30th Sep 2022 at 22:03.

  7. #732
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Standards of conversation don't need to change just because a war is going on. The world didn't suddenly turn black and white on 24 Feb.
    Assuming we were all so fragile one had to walk on eggshells around us, what was said that elicited such hand wringing? Did RippedPhreak call someone a name? Do you imagine we do not expect that from the far right already? What exactly elicited the calls for civility when a major country is killing it's neighbor, torturing and raping, leaving them hog tied and dead on the street, being an absolute dick and stealing territory, and expecting us to be civil while they do so, what was so non black and white about that? Where on the doll did we hurt you? The fact is nobody, even those I disagree with, has harmed anyone near as much as what Russia has done in a single hour of it's invasion and stealing. Not a fraction. I'm not offended a whit about words. Deeds. That is where I'm offended. I am deeply offended by Russia's expansion at the cost of everything dear in human nature for it's greed over territory.

    Don't you see how everyones character or lack of it is being exposed? Let that happen. Let us see. Let it be exposed and understood for what it is.

  8. #733
    when you say fuck Europe why do we care, you're speaking for yourself and declaring yourself "not one of us".
    I'm not some sick leftist, that is true. I can care about people from a perspective that we are all human beings; however that does not mean I want the US to leap into a war that has nothing to do with the US. Especially when our own country is falling apart right here at home. Just defend yourselves.


    Western liberalism is the globalist agenda. So you can drop this facade. Your position is explicitly non-Western and illiberal.
    You're right, I care nothing for western liberalism. But I thought YOU might... It's very simple. If you continue to bring in millions of migrants every year that are non-western and non-liberal, then you will have destroyed the western liberal order yourself. Putin will not need to lift a finger.

    Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.


    Assuming we were all so fragile one had to walk on eggshells around us
    yes...yes you are lol

  9. #734
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.
    Just to give a brief thought on what patent nonsense this is... in order for this to happen, the entire combined population of Maghreb countries (by far the biggest source of France's "African/Muslim" population, especially from the parts that were considered to be a part of France not all that long ago) would have to immigrate to France and all migration from EU countries (the biggest source of immigrants to France) would have to be stopped entirely.

    Actually, scratch that... I just looked up the population numbers and it still wouldn't be nearly enough to meet these criteria. Not to mention the sizeable non-muslim/secular population in these countries.
    Last edited by Starker; 1st Oct 2022 at 02:26.

  10. #735
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    illiberal.
    They created a special type of liberalism to attack the "western liberalism" naming it "NEOliberalism" when in fact classic liberalism, liberalism and neoliberalism are perfectly the same (and Putin too is a liberal economy-wise - he's totally against communism or socialism - and that's what conspiracy people supporting Putin or Trump as "liberators from the neoliberal joke" can't realize, thinking nationalistic isolationism can be a viable alternative.....it can't but people like Trump or Putin really want them to believe the lie and it's why a "globalist agenda" is just necessary.....if you call "sick" the real left and our Phreak just called it so)

    If you REALLY don't accept "globalist agenda" (Russia AND China ones too) there's always the Revolution and it's October
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Oct 2022 at 05:27.

  11. #736
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.
    Just search for statistics about immigrants young couples and you'll see the truth: they ARE concretely liberals, you simply can't accept the truth cause "global desperation" and apocalypse have much more appeal (just reading your post makes it evident)
    I really can't see here in Italy african couples with more than 4 sons. But some really traditional italian ones with 10 (in the same regions with mafia-like groups and this is NOT by chance )

    Because - and for nationalists in particular, practically by definition of "nationalism" - it's all about the sons number for the next generation. There will be no immigration-induced apocalypse apart in the "alternative liberals" (then nationalist liberals) propaganda one that you can't see for what it is in reality.

    Traditional muslim people just stay in their original home being traditionalist (it's a simple tautology apart from conspiracy theories interpretation of reality involving "SOROS", "KALERGI PLAN" and so on). It's possible that immigrants sons or grandsons can become radicalized BUT they're few and it's like a flash in the pan.
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Oct 2022 at 05:22.

  12. #737
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    Anyway this isn't a thread for debating the pros and cons of white supremacy, as if that were a topic of serious debate. It's a thread on the Ukraine war, and there were big developments today.

    It started with Putin's stupid non-annexation of east Ukraine of course, leading to a Security Council vote condemning it that only had one opposing vote (Russia); even China abstained from voting against it. But it culminated in Zelensky's application for fast-tracked Nato membership. It seems somehow appropriate to post the video of it for the record here:


  13. #738
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    as if that were a topic of serious debate.
    It all depends on the NUMBER, like radicalized muslims. I just want add that white supremacy is present in both russian AND ucrainian nationalist movements (in Russia case: white=orthodox christian, in Ucraine case: white=european/germanic)
    Of course they're just flashes, the reality is the fight between western liberalism and non-western one (Russia&China). But it must be clear that you can't fight fire with fire, it's just for the show: Gazprom is not communist; Sberbank is not communist There's not communism in Russia nor China, nor they're autarchic isolationists as some "bucolic nazi" (-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Strasser ) or nazbol like Limonov in Russia would like in their dreams.

    So it's always the "globalist agenda" declined in 2/3 flavours. The "big talks" are just for the plebs.
    You can't win "globalization" (of the market AND the society) if you accept private property and so on

    Hit Soros and other "satanic" boogeymen as you will, it doens't matter
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Oct 2022 at 12:57.

  14. #739
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    ^ I didn't realize how short Zelensky actually was.

  15. #740
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    If you are such supporters of Jewish supremacy, just read about those new heroes of Ukraine, that even ukrainian traditionalists of the early 20th century renounced (for example Mykola_Mikhnovsky).
    If you so unconditionally support of modern Ukraine then it's and yours Truth now. With Starker's propaganda about many centuries of oppression dumping all the eggs in the basket, including real repressions (for example, ban Lithuanians from reading books in their own language at the end of the 19th century), wishlist of ultraradicals, execution of the interests of other parties (as Kastuś Kalinowski (so irony, that this polish agent by belorussian revolutioners raised on own flag)).

    Falseflag it's not about CIA. Ok. Then continue the Olympiad by throwing everything on Russian side. Only without me. I'm bad KGB-agent. It's hard for me to express my thoughts even on my native language.


    25 civilians murdered in Zaparozhie (city) during the dispatch to the territories controlled by Russia.

  16. #741
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    I have NEVER said I appreciate ukranian nationalists. I've said you can call me a makhnovist, so the perfect guest of Lubjanka or a Kiev/Kyiv prison.
    Put it simply, ukrainian nationalism is not even close to be a source of danger like what some deranged russian minds (Dugin) developed to cope with Soviet experience end, facing american exceptionalism (as Putin says) without any other political tool (communism was a tool for Russia since Stalin, Russia was never ready to be communist, just to mimicry communism).

    "Modern" Ukraine was designed by Lenin to GENTLY STOP nationalists and their claims (of course stupid claims in a communist vision), Putin is just interested in accessing Crimea without any issue by ukrainian side (no matter his personal believes about "satanic west" corrupting russian people into thinking they're not russian......just see how "russian" sounds like "muslim" for an iman talking about Ummah - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah)

    "Jew supremacy" is an instrumental myth and a strawman argument, just like "neoliberalism" or "gender theory".
    When yesterday Putin said "Parents 1,2,3" I've just laughed SO hard.....it's plain far-right propaganda, here in Italy we got a SONG about our beloved Tolkien nerd (RuskoMordor!) and accidentally new president Meloni and her Parents 1,2,3 rants. A SONG, just to realize how much the very same argument (Parents 1,2,3 is from burocracy, not gender theory) is for retarded people so naive to fall for that kind of bullshit.



    ANd it's totally evident that there's the SAME mastermind about this *carbon-copy* propaganda slogans. In perfect american style.
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Oct 2022 at 18:54.

  17. #742
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    Speaking of Tolkien, some things remain relevant even today:


  18. #743
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    yes...yes you are lol
    Nah. Most of us are happy to watch you pick up that Stormfront shovel and dig yourself straight to hell.

  19. #744
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Speaking of Tolkien, some things remain relevant even today:

    Just perfectly fitting, "left+right" too

  20. #745
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    I think history is going to look back at this moment as a truly spectacular display of delusional chutzpah - announcing the formal annexation of territory they don't entirely control and are actively retreating from on multiple fronts.

    OH, and the demand that Ukraine come back to negotiations with the condition that Russia gets to keep the territories it, uh, doesn't fully control and is in fact actively retreating from on multiple fronts. Chutzpah!

    It's just... So ludicrous, now.
    Last edited by Pyrian; 2nd Oct 2022 at 18:54.

  21. #746
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrian View Post
    I think history is going to look back at this moment as a truly spectacular display of delusional chutzpah - announcing the formal annexation of territory they don't entirely control and are actively retreating from on multiple fronts.

    OH, and the demand that Ukraine come back to negotiations with the condition that Russia gets to keep the territories it, uh, doesn't fully control and is in fact actively retreating from on multiple fronts. Chutzpah!

    It's just... So ludicrous, now.
    It's internal posturing only. Putin wants out of the war ASAP, but he knows that he has to claim to have won something and that it was the plan all along. Admitting they went and fought the war for literally nothing isn't an option.

  22. #747
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    Also, about that referendum...


  23. #748
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    I made this:


  24. #749
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Also, about that referendum...

    It's an illegal referendum, cleary the nazis did use a time machine provided by SOROS and other overlords (nazis with overlords, just this makesperfect sense, right?) to change the real results!!!!!

    Oh, it's not a joke: https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...-independence/
    Last edited by lowenz; 3rd Oct 2022 at 06:00.

  25. #750
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    I'm pretty sure at this point lowenz can carry the entire thread just perpetually replying to himself on every little point.

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