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  1. #951
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    Sobering message from Ukraine's Minister of Defense to Russian recruits.


  2. #952
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    Meanwhile, Putin says that everything is fine, basically cough cough:



    Fun fact, at least one of the women in the backdrop has previously been cast in other roles as well:
    https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat...06887391678470
    Last edited by Starker; 1st Jan 2023 at 00:22.

  3. #953
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedPhreak View Post
    I wonder if the people of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc appreciate the "invading then giving back?"
    Seriously? I thought you were just a gullible Republican. Now you sound like something else. Invading and giving back still beats the alternative which is what Russia is. What the hell is the love Republicans have for Russia anyway? I think they all now understand a little better what they gained and what they lost without the invasion and keeping. Ask Vietnam what they appreciate and what they hate about the US now. Then ask any country what they feel about the Russian way. Maybe the US way isn't what it should be but it's a damn site better than attempting to take and keep for world domination or even just paranoia.

    I thought you were one thing but I suspect now I'm wrong.

  4. #954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    What the hell is the love Republicans have for Russia anyway?
    It's the love for those two things under Lincoln hands, but after Mussolini And Russia today is just the country implementing those ideas ( -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin )
    Here in Italy the Far Right has fallen in love with Putin "thanks" to the obsession for "law&order" above all, imposed - maybe ethnically, why not? - "for the greater good".



    In fact, the republicans despising Putin call him "communist" - being Putin the major ANTIcommunist alive - 'cause if they don't resort to this trick they're morally obliged to love him. He's the "strong man" they always wanted for "America", all comes down to this: the shameful exibition of strength and power.
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Jan 2023 at 05:04.

  5. #955
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    Interesting new theory, what if the suspicious deaths are part of the upcoming power struggle that's likely if Putin is ousted or he's as sick as some speculate.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...94c01b870a660c

    As Russia’s ruling elite one-by-one fall down stairs or out windows, another star is rising. Now speculation is mounting that “Putin’s Chef” is preparing to step out of the kitchen.

    He started out with a catering business.

    He quickly became part of President Vladimir Putin’s inner sanctum.

    He’s now behind Russia’s cyber warriors and a host of online trolls

    And he has his own mercenary army.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin is becoming increasingly bold. He’s spruiking his Wagner Group mercenaries as Russia’s most effective fighting force. He’s waging a verbal war against key Putin appointees. He’s winning public support among extremists who believe their ageing president is failing them.

    That’s why some warn he may end up being “worse than Putin”.

    But among Putin’s kleptocratic (government of thieves) circle of power, he’s rapidly emerging as the 70-year-old’s most likely successor. Or usurper.

    And now he’s openly attacking the Kremlin’s military leaders for their failing war efforts.

  6. #956
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    Of course Prigozhin wants his share. But he's "without soul" in a world where a fictional "soul" is important to show it as moral foundation of power exertion and use ("we fight ukronazis, we're the good ones, we're defending OUR MOTHER(russia)"). So not sure if he will do the jump. In USA of course he will be a star......the perfect "self made man" with an ultraviolence spin ( https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...eo-2022-11-13/ ).

    To fight this type of guys you must fight the violence fascination and it's really hard in an americanized world......that's the paradox.
    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Jan 2023 at 08:02.

  7. #957
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    Sobering message from Ukraine's Minister of Defense to Russian recruits.

    The ukronazis even forbid the russian language teaching!

    Perfect russian.

  8. #958
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    As Russia’s ruling elite one-by-one fall down stairs or out windows, another star is rising. Now speculation is mounting that “Putin’s Chef” is preparing to step out of the kitchen.

  9. #959
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    news.com, au is one of the worst sites to be getting your information from, jesus christ cipheron have some credibility.
    Apparently thre Wagner group is real and was involved in a number of conflicts most notably the syrian debacle.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2...ercenary-force

  10. #960
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigLick View Post
    news.com, au is one of the worst sites to be getting your information from, jesus christ cipheron have some credibility.
    Apparently thre Wagner group is real and was involved in a number of conflicts most notably the syrian debacle.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2...ercenary-force
    Of course is real :|
    And from the name you can tell how much "russian" is "to be a russian mercenary" (in fact russian elites are german since centuries and it's why they pump so much the "anglo-saxons world marauders" narration......they're too "anglo-saxons" or dream to be).

    You can't imagine how much in the european Russia there's a profound fascination for Germany (and in particular for the old Prussia)......and viceversa (russian pogroms -> lagers)

    The 1821 Odessa pogroms are sometimes considered the first pogroms. After the execution of the Greek Orthodox patriarch, Gregory V, in Constantinople, 14 Jews were killed in response.[1] The initiators of the 1821 pogroms were the local Greeks, who used to have a substantial diaspora in the port cities of what was known as Novorossiya.
    +
    "Russians are....GREEKS"

    Last edited by lowenz; 1st Jan 2023 at 10:29.

  11. #961
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    "Russians are....GREEKS"
    Sure sure, and we Finns are actually originally from ancient New York. Got tired of the silly accent and decided to invent ralli-englanti, the only proper way to speak English.

  12. #962
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    It works just like "we nazi are arians and descendants from mythical AGARTHI": foundation myths feed empire fantasies, just take Romulus and Remus for Rome, and when you hear someone talking in this manner beware of imperial ambitions behind those silly words (if they're backed by nuclear warheads).

  13. #963
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigLick View Post
    news.com, au is one of the worst sites to be getting your information from, jesus christ cipheron have some credibility.
    Apparently thre Wagner group is real and was involved in a number of conflicts most notably the syrian debacle.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/podcasts/2...ercenary-force
    In the other thread YOU linked to this very credible source:

    https://thepostmillennial.com

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Post_Millennial

    The Post Millennial is a conservative Canadian online news magazine started in 2017. It publishes national and local news and has a large amount of opinion content. It has been criticized for publishing false and misleading stories about COVID-19 as well as its opaque funding and political connections.
    Remember what I did when critiquing "thepostmillenial". I didn't just say they're shit. I demonstrated, with specific examples, how there was systematic bias that you can see throughout the reporting on their website. You in fact haven't done that for news.com.au

    Why do you think they're not a credible source on news about the war or international politics? Find me some politics or world stories they ballsed up, or where the text demonstrates bias.

    ---

    Also, if you want to engage in source criticism, you shouldn't instantly defer to Al Jazeera, which is a government-owned news source from a dictatorship with a questionable human rights record, and have been accused by their own employees of manipulating the content to fit the Qatari governments political and foreign policy agenda:

    https://www.dw.com/en/suliman-al-jaz...une/a-16477490

    Also the Qatari emir who recently met with Putin is the son and successor of the previous emir who personally funded and set up Al Jazeera:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ra-2022-10-13/

    So yeah, Al Jazeera can be used as a source, taken with a grain of salt, but it seems like a bad look to go from "I doubt that source", to immediately link a source owned by the government of a dictatorship and which was set up and funded directly BY the dictator. Al Jazeera is designed to "feel" like the BBC, but every story, as needed, is filtered, framed, omits or slants things to align with Qatar government's domestic and foreign policy.

    ---

    news.com.au is run by the same people who publish some of the biggest newspapers in each of the capital cities in Australia. It's pretty mainstream stuff. It's also a collaboration with Channel 9, which is one of the three mainstream TV networks in the country, equivalent to CBS, NBC and ABC in America. Hell, it's run by the same people who run the Wall Street Journal. So it is in fact backed by professional journalists and the same media sources used by the television networks here and major newspapers.

    in fact the main actual criticism of news.com.au, is that it's owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. So if anything, you should be concerned about whether the site has too much conservative bias. but their actual political and world news reporting has always been pretty good, probably because it's only 50% News Corp and the other 50% is owned by Channel 9, so they can't go too far with the right-wing stuff on that.

    One reason I post from that is to avoid the accusation that I'm only posting "leftist" sources. I could link The Guardian and ABC/SBS only, those woke leftist media outlets.

    Apparently the Wagner group is real
    Well you must have been following the war in Ukraine very closely /s

    They've been mentioned constantly in news reports since the day the war began.

    https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbri...2-february-24/

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/v...dent-cvcksh79d
    Last edited by Cipheron; 2nd Jan 2023 at 01:09.

  14. #964
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    Meanwhile, Russia keeps trying to outverhoeven Paul Verhoeven:
    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...19192596381696

    The host that behaves like a caricature of himself is Yevgeny Petrosyan, a famous comedian from already Soviet times.

  15. #965
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    "Enlarge your Russia"

  16. #966
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Yevgeny Petrosyan
    The guy is a living monument to bad humour, so the choice of performer is appropriate. In Russian, "петросянить" has come to mean "to tell granddad jokes".

  17. #967
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Meanwhile, Russia keeps trying to outverhoeven Paul Verhoeven:
    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...19192596381696

    The host that behaves like a caricature of himself is Yevgeny Petrosyan, a famous comedian from already Soviet times.
    Russia is "enlarging", ha ha.

    If you want a reason for the war, look no further than penis envy. That's all realism really is anyway.

  18. #968
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    Well, how else would it be able to put other countries in their place...


  19. #969
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    Well, that clears it up. There is no way Australia could fit without taking Ukraine.

    I do love the fact that he saved Texas for last.

  20. #970
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    The next to lean tragically against a window.


  21. #971
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    I mean, the Ukrainians are not complaining.

  22. #972
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    2009 prophetic article:

    https://jamestown.org/program/putin-...mage-to-ilyin/

    "Shevkunov is a leader of the most conservative, nationalist and monarchist wing within the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), close to the new Patriarch Cyril. He has also been known for his close links to Putin. In fact, Putin had chosen him to prepare the reunification of the ROC and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) which took place in May 2007, with the ROCOR becoming part of the ROC. Shevkunov has neither confirmed nor denied persistent rumors that he is Putin’s confessor, but he has emphasized his allegiance to him. In 2001 Shevkunov said: "Vladimir Putin is indeed an Orthodox Christian believer…who confesses, takes Communion and realizes his responsibility to God for the high service entrusted him, and for his immortal soul…He who really loves Russia and wishes it well, can only pray for Vladimir, placed at the head of Russia by God’s will" (Izvestia, December 8, 2001). It was through Shevkunov that Putin publicly disclosed his visit to the cemetery.

    According to Shevkunov, Putin cited Denikin’s suggestion that "No-one must be allowed to interfere in relations between us, ‘big Russia,’ and ‘little Russia’ -that is Ukraine. This was always a purely Russian affair." Putin added that Denikin viewed any movement toward disunity between Russia and Ukraine as "impermissible." Shevkunov also told the journalists that Putin "recalled reading Denikin’s memoirs in which the latter said that despite his hostility to Soviet power, even to think about the dismemberment of Russia was a crime …especially when talking about the little Russian land – Ukraine" (www.grani.ru, May 25).

    Indeed, an impeccably honest individual, patriot and talented writer, General Denikin emerged as the leader of the White government in southern Russia, which in 1919 almost toppled the Bolshevik regime. Only 130 miles lay between his advancing troops and Moscow.

    However, the Denikin movement collapsed owing to his intransigence toward the aspirations of non-Russian nationals within the empire. His insistence on seeing them all as subjects of the "one and indivisible Russia" alienated Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians, Finns, and many others from the idea of a broad-based anti-Bolshevik united front, which was the only hope of putting down Lenin’s revolutionaries. Now, in the current political context, Putin’s invoking Denikin’s political dictums might suggest that there is trouble ahead.

    Putin has always been contemptuous of Ukrainian statehood.
    In April 2008, Putin was quoted by the Moscow-based Kommersant as telling President George W. Bush: "Ukraine is not a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is in eastern Europe, and another part – a significant part – was given to it by Russia." Putin clearly let Bush understand that NATO membership for Ukraine, might risk Russia taking over the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (Kommersant, April 7, 2007).

    In August 2008 Putin was closely involved in successfully taking over the breakaway Georgian provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia – and getting away with it – and with the worsening of the Russian economic crisis he might not wait for Ukraine’s NATO membership as an excuse. Sources in Ukraine and one senior Western diplomat in Moscow confirmed to Jamestown that Russia continues to issue passports to citizens in the Crimea. Russia had used the same pattern in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, until the number of Russian citizens reached 95 percent -and Moscow "had" to protect its citizens.

    Another method of handling Ukraine is by using Russia’s "pipeline troops." On May 29, Putin warned that Russia might again turn off gas supplies to Ukraine, based on its failure to pay (www.news.ru.com, May 29). Moscow has insisted for some time that one way out of this deadlock for Ukraine is to turn over its natural gas transportation system to Russia -along with its political independence.

    The homage paid by Putin to Ilyin’s grave on his visit to the Sretensk Monastery cemetery makes his actions and intentions appear particularly ominous. Ilyin has long been Putin’s spiritual guru, to the extent that he cited him in his presidential addresses in 2005 and 2006, and in his speech to the council of state in June 2007.

    Meanwhile, Ilyin advocated strong authoritarianism, founded on the link with the ROC, as the only acceptable form of government for Russia. In his work "National Socialism: New Spirit" in 1933 Ilyin condoned Hitler as a defender of Europe from Bolshevism. In 1948 in his essay "On Fascism" Ilyin wrote that "Fascism emerged as a concentration of statist-conservative forces…It was a healthy phenomenon during the advance of leftist chaos." Ilyin, however, decried fascism’s "mistakes," such as the suppression of all rival forces and the Church -he suggested that religion, the media and political parties might be tolerated "to the degree of their loyalty."

    Putin’s ideology can be traced to his state’s origins both within the Romanov empire, the White cause’s patriots and Stalin’s Soviet empire. His growing authoritarianism combined with his cemetery visit, coordinated with the ROC, sends another signal of his intention to defend the Russian state and its interests in the near abroad.
    "

    And these guys are fighting "ukronazis"......

    About Denikin....

    John Ernest Hodgson, a British war correspondent with Denikin's forces, said the following of Denikin's and his officers' antisemitism:
    I had not been with Denikin more than a month before I was forced to the conclusion that the Jew represented a very big element in the Russian upheaval. The officers and men of the Army laid practically all the blame for their country's troubles on the Hebrew. They held that the whole cataclysm had been engineered by some great and mysterious secret society of international Jews, who, in the pay and at the orders of Germany, had seized the psychological moment and snatched the reins of government. All the figures and facts that were then available appeared to lend colour to this contention. No less than 82 per cent of the Bolshevik Commissars were known to be Jews, the fierce and implacable 'Trotsky,' who shared office with Lenin, being a Yiddisher whose real name was Bronstein. Among Denikin's officers this idea was an obsession of such terrible bitterness and insistency as to lead them into making statements of the wildest and most fantastic character. Many of them had persuaded themselves that Freemasonry was, in alliance with the Jews, part and parcel of the Bolshevik machine, and that what they had called the diabolical schemes for Russia's downfall had been hatched in the Petrograd and Moscow Masonic lodges. When I told them that I and most of my best friends were Freemasons, and that England owed a great deal to its loyal Jews, they stared at me askance and sadly shook their heads in fear for England's credulity in trusting the chosen race. One even asked me quietly whether I personally was a Jew. When America showed herself decidedly against any kind of interference in Russia, the idea soon gained wide credence that President Woodrow Wilson was a Jew, while Mr. Lloyd George was referred to as a Jew whenever a cable from England appeared to show him as being lukewarm in support of the anti-Bolsheviks.[14]


    To put it simply, fascists are just self-glorified mad men, like russian irredentists manipulating every country far-fight leaning and/or easy-exalted people and driving them into antiwestern frenzy.
    Last edited by lowenz; 3rd Jan 2023 at 18:27.

  23. #973
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    When Ukrain take Krimea in the summer then Putler is gone and the war ends i think!!

  24. #974
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    War will never ends until Putin is alive or Ukraine totally destroyed (radioactive desert, as Girkin put it)
    Putin or Putin-minded russian nationalists in power will NEVER renounce to Novorossija, that's "eternal" (=no time), standing the "russian spiritualism".
    The only cure for this imperialistic obsession and ambition was Lenin and it's why neo-nobility elites hate him so much.

  25. #975
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    War will never ends until Putin is alive
    You mean he's dead now? That would actually explain so many things...

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