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  1. #1076
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    Looks like they caught the guy behind the massive leaks of highly secret documents, including a lot of sensitive information about the war in Ukraine:


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gon-files-leak

    In photographs, Jack Teixeira, the 21-year-old air national guardsman who has been identified as the prime suspect in the leak of classified intelligence documents, is slim in his dark blue air force uniform. He is youthful looking, barely older than the teenage friends seen in the online group in which the classified documents were leaked.

    On Thursday evening, the FBI arrested Teixeira and were searching his home. Video footage from a local TV station showed him being led away in handcuffs.

    Teixeira was identified by the New York Times as the leading figure in an online gaming chat group, Thug Shaker Central, on the social network Discord. The details that have emerged about Teixeira have put him in the frame as a person of interest in the leak investigation.

    Deployed in the 102nd intelligence wing of the Massachusetts air national guard, Teixeira was also a key member of a group of about 30 people who shared an interest in guns, video games and racist memes.

    Teixeira, the newspaper suggested, was the individual known to members of the group as OG, who had been identified a day earlier by the Washington Post as the leaker.

    Assembled at the height of the pandemic in 2020, Thug Shaker Central was an invitation-only chatroom.

    It appears that from the beginning, the leaker sought to impress its young members, writing messages heavy with acronyms and jargon, posting classified documents, at first typing up verbatim transcripts and then leaking actual documents – which appeared to have been physically removed from a secure place and photographed.

    According to the Washington Post, OG told other members these were documents he had brought home from a “military base” where he sometimes worked in a secure facility that prohibited mobile phones and other electronic devices.
    [...]

  2. #1077
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    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Lessons from the Edward Snowden affair were clearly forgotten or simply never learned.

    How some junior lackey in a state militia was able to access secrets of international importance. is question one. How he was able to do this for three years, undetected, is question two.

  3. #1078
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    Location: NeoTokyo
    Oh shit, haha, this guy sounds like our own CCCToad. People always gave him shit for not being a real soldier with access to classified material. Whether this OG guy was challenged or not, I think the ego part may be similar, where the type wants to dredge up the goods to boost his elite bona fides. You can see CCCToad literally running that idea through his mind in that post above & finding it not worth it, but you could imagine a type and a context where a person would. He's the OG that produces the goods under the kek flag, or whatever is going for a kek flag these days.

    We're a hell of a long way from Chelsea Manning and the rest of Kansas now. I saw some news program (and my mom) trying to understand the motivation here, and I'm not even a young pup anymore, but I could see the yawning generation gap here and couldn't really explain it. They could at least understand Snowden & Manning thinking they were helping, but this is something else. This is beyond 4chan & anon, past the FB, Reddit & Twitch groups, now into these countless Discord channels for this manufactured world of pure chaotic rhetoric, a metastasized perpetual Trololo, and this weird combination of ego, anonymity, and more than anything else, a lack of any real appreciation of what "privacy" or "security" means. Information wants to be free, not even for the good anymore, but for the memes.

  4. #1079
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    It's just love for chaos, nothing new

    Meanwhile in russian 1984 conscription letter arrives by NOTIFIED email, just the notification is enough.....


  5. #1080
    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    and this weird combination of ego, anonymity, and more than anything else, a lack of any real appreciation of what "privacy" or "security" means.
    21 year old male: Old enough to have learned some things, young enough to think they understand everything, that their actions are always just and that everyone should adore/praise them. While it's possible to think they should have grown out of it by that point, many males below the age of 25 tend to have at least some remnants of the immature mindset of "If something makes me feel good, then everyone wants to do it."

  6. #1081
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    Washington Post and NYT have some more details about the Discord group dynamics:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/w...agon-leak.html

    [...]
    In interviews, members of Thug Shaker Central said their group had started out as a place where young men and teenage boys could gather amid the isolation of the pandemic to bond over their love of guns, share memes — sometimes racist ones — and play war-themed video games.

    But Airman Teixeira, who one member of the group called O.G. and was also its unofficial leader, wanted to teach the young acolytes who gravitated to him about actual war, members said.

    And so, beginning in at least October, Airman Teixeira, who was attached to the Guard’s intelligence unit, began sharing descriptions of classified information, group members and law enforcement officials said, eventually uploading hundreds of pages of documents, including detailed battlefield maps from Ukraine and confidential assessments of Russia’s war machine.

    His goal, group members said, was both to inform and impress.

    Airman Teixeira’s access to secret information and his ability to know about major global events before they appeared on front pages stoked the curiosity of the group, which numbered 20 to 30 people.

    “Everyone respected O.G.,” Vahki said in an interview. “He was the man, the myth. And he was the legend. Everyone respected this guy.”

    [...]

    The extent of the damage caused by the leak is not yet fully known.

    The materials Airman Teixeira is accused of sharing revealed how deeply the Russian government had been penetrated by U.S. and allied intelligence agencies, which gained the ability to provide near-real-time information to the Ukrainians about planned Russian strikes.

    They also showed that America’s spy services were eavesdropping on allies like Israel and South Korea, as well as the Ukrainian leadership, embarrassing revelations that could erode trust at a time when Washington was trying to present a unified front in the conflict with Moscow.

    [...]

    It started as long daily memos with complicated and, at times, confusing summaries of international events that members of the group found difficult to follow. Sometimes he would admonish his younger friends for not taking the information seriously, Vahki said.

    Around October last year, his frustration led him to start posting original documents, including detailed battle maps from the war in Ukraine marked “TOP SECRET.” From October to March, Vahki said, the airman posted about 350 documents to the group.

    The documents might have remained confined to Thug Shaker Central were it not for a member of the group named Lucca, a 17-year-old from California, who might not have fully grasped the gravity of the documents he had been given access to.

    On March 2, Lucca was involved in a conversation about the Ukraine war in a public Discord group called #War-Posting when he published several dozen documents from the cache that had been uploaded to Thug Shaker Central.

    For a month, the documents bounced around esoteric chat groups, including one popular with players of the online game Minecraft and another for fans of a moderately popular British YouTuber. They went seemingly unnoticed by anyone who understood their importance until early April, when some of the documents began appearing on the Telegram messaging app channels of supporters of Russia’s war against Ukraine.

    As the news began to spread, Airman Teixeira started closing down his online accounts and bidding farewell to online friends.

    “He was very freaked out,” Vahki said. “This isn’t something like an ‘oopsie-daisy — I’m going to be reprimanded.’ This is life-in-prison type stuff.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...document-leak/

    [...]
    While Teixeira was relatively inexperienced in the military, he had access to highly classified military intelligence through a Defense Department computer network known as the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System, said a U.S. official familiar with the matter. The system would have allowed Teixeira to read and potentially print classified documents, though there are guidelines to handle those in accordance with the law.

    Teixeira was mobilized for federal active duty last fall, said Nahaku McFadden, a spokesperson for the National Guard Bureau. It is not uncommon for troops in the National Guard to receive such orders to fill the need for specialized jobs, but since he was on active duty at the time of the alleged disclosures, he is subject to additional punishment under the military justice system.

    One friend described Teixeira in an interview as patriotic, a devout Catholic and a libertarian with an interest in guns and doubts about America’s future. The friend said he met Teixeira before 2020 on a Discord server mainly focused on guns and libertarian politics, and bonded over their shared interest in Glock handguns and Catholicism.

    Later, the friend joined a new Discord server that Teixeira started called Thug Shaker Central, which became home to a group of about two dozen people, including many teenagers. Teixeira was a “pretty normal guy” outside the server, said the friend, who eventually met Teixeira in person. He had a “slight temper” and was “more of a mentor than a leader.”

    The friend recalled that Teixeira started sharing classified documents on the Discord server last year, during the war in Ukraine, which he saw as a “depressing” battle between “two countries that should have more in common than keeping them apart.” Sharing the classified documents was meant “to educate people who he thought were his friends and could be trusted” free from the propaganda swirling outside, the friend said. The men and boys on the server agreed never to share the documents outside the server, since they might harm U.S. interests.

    “I was of the opinion that some of these kids were prone to run their mouths because they spent too much time online, but I was ignored,” said the friend, who added that he tried to stay out of such discussions. “It was pretty obnoxious to see kids who grew up in the suburbs argue about a conflict an ocean away.”

    Around half of the server’s members were “kids in their basements” playing video games, while the other half were gun enthusiasts, the friend said. Recent claims by others who were on the server that some of its members were Russian and Ukrainian were “pure fabrication,” the friend said. One member pretending to be a Russian naval officer actually lived in Kentucky, he said, and was kicked out.

    “It was only supposed to be keeping kids informed about real-world issues,” the friend said.

    [...]

    Other members of Teixeira’s server have showed The Post video of Teixeira shouting racist and antisemitic slurs before firing a rifle and said he referenced government raids at Ruby Ridge in Idaho and in Waco, Tex. — events with deep resonance among right-wing, anti-government extremists. The name of the Discord server itself derives from a meme taken from a gay porn video often used for its shock value and laughs, the members said.

    Regarding the racist and antisemitic jokes reportedly shared on the server, the friend said it was hard to assess Teixeira’s true feelings given “how many layers of irony that server was in.” Dark jokes got more laughs, he said. But Teixeira was a “pretty basic-brand Catholic who was into guns,” the friend said.

    “He’s a good person that trusted the wrong people, in my opinion,” the friend said. He said Teixeira would remain his friend and that he hoped to reschedule a hiking trip they had planned together.

    [...]

    A profile for Teixeira on Steam, another online site popular with gamers, includes a profile image of a man holding a rifle that crops out the head. Teixeira used the handle “TheExcaliburEffect” on the site, and featured a famous but unattributed quote:

    “Beware the quiet man. For while others speak, he watched. And while others act, he plans. And when they finally rest … he strikes.”

  7. #1082
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Washington Post and NYT have some more details about the Discord group dynamics:
    From those stories, the behaviour of both Teixeira and Lucca fit nicely into the "teenage to early twenties male with more hormones than brain" demographic described above.

  8. #1083
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    AKA, Jordan Peterson's base.


    Between idiots like Teixeira and T***p, it's a toss up who is Ukraine's worst enemy at the moment.

  9. #1084
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    See? That's exactly the people I've described talking about Peterson influence.
    It's not only a fraud professionally speaking, he's really a dangerous prophet-like figure for millions of young people (the Pepe boys)

  10. #1085
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    "We in the west are brainwashed by US propaganda!!!1111, we can't even listen to the other end reasons!!1111"

    NO, in fact I enjoy listening to these kind of nostalgic dreamers "pro"-war.....on SATANIC YOUTUBE of course (so you all can realize how these ruski mir dreamers are just dreaming.....killing real people meanwhile and creating millions of refugees in the name of '800 irredentism totally out of time and talking about that on the most famous "enemy" platform by the state and culture aspect - YouTube)

    STRELOK (yes I prefer the ukrainian word, just sounds better to me than "Strelkov"), the man accused to be the (maybe indirect) cause of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays...ines_Flight_17



    He's a plain tsarist (and major anticommunist like Putin) and "Novorossija instead of non-existent Ukraine" hardcore supporter.


    RUTSKOY (kind of russian McCain - very nice person if you ask me, but maybe because he's a good old "light" communist so he just hits the soft spot in me when he asks to wipe out oligarchs satrap rule)



    Just remember that this kind of "light" communists are not even considered communists by my personal standards (for me they're just normal people talking really basic obviouness, for me the REAL communism just begin with Lenin ideas and must points to Soviet Cosmism & Anarchy to be considered "communism" )
    Rutskoy was a "pro"-war supporter in 1993 too.

    Rutskoy was Vice President President of RSFSR/Russia from 10 July 1991 before arrest 4 October 1993. As vice president, he openly called for the independence of Transnistria and Crimea from Moldova and Ukraine.[10]

    In October 1991 Rutskoy went to Kyiv in order to negotiate the price of Russian natural gas exports to Ukraine, and through Ukrainian territory to Europe. On that visit he also claimed Russian control and ownership of the Black Sea fleet, based in Sevastopol, and, indirectly, Russian sovereignty over the whole Crimean Peninsula. Rutskoy publicly warned Ukraine against conflict with Russia, which both had nuclear weapons and had the ability to claim sovereignty over Crimea.[11]

    In April 1992 and March 1993 two similar resolutions that claimed Crimea were passed by the Russian Federation parliament. The Ukrainians naturally turned for help to the United States, which sought to aggregate Soviet nuclear weapons in the hands of Moscow and to occupy ex-Soviet scientists with the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction programme. The Budapest Memorandum provided security assurances to the three minor ex-Soviet countries Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan in exchange to their accession to the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty. By the end of 1996 all nuclear weapons were removed to Russian territory, and 18 years later Vladimir Putin reneged on the deal.[11]




    It's just awesome to listen to pro-war sustainers (from 2 complete opposite sides) saying "We too don't understand the Kremlin moves, sometimes it's just madness"
    And yes, they're right about it.
    Last edited by lowenz; 22nd Apr 2023 at 07:55.

  11. #1086
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    Washington Post and NYT have some more details about the Discord group dynamics:

    “He’s a good person that trusted the wrong people, in my opinion,” the friend said.
    Right, so the people who leaked from his Discord group were the wrong people, and shouldn't be trusted, but he's a good person, totally trustworthy, when he leaked from other people who trusted him.

    He's definitely a WORSE person than the people who copied-on the documents he leaked. They had ZERO obligation not to copy or share them. It was his job.

    ~~~

    EDIT: Lowenz, your posts would be a LOT more impactful if you dropped all the formatting, bold, italics and underlines. You over do it so much I just can't take anything you write seriously, so it has the opposite effect that you think it does.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 22nd Apr 2023 at 11:49.

  12. #1087
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post
    EDIT: Lowenz, your posts would be a LOT more impactful if you dropped all the formatting, bold, italics and underlines. You over do it so much I just can't take anything you write seriously, so it has the opposite effect that you think it does.
    I have to agree with Ciph. They start to look a little bit like a Word-document. The only thing missing is Comic Sans.

  13. #1088
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    If you understand italian or use english subtitles



    It's just the perfect explanation of Putin's ideology from a real russian-soviet historian.

  14. #1089
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    Registered: Oct 2018
    Location: Ukraine
    The grumpiest(c)(r)(tm) T2 fan is going to war. When I'll return, I would be even more grumpy. So, FM authors, beware

  15. #1090
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Stahl View Post
    The grumpiest(c)(r)(tm) T2 fan is going to war. When I'll return, I would be even more grumpy. So, FM authors, beware
    Come back alive. Slava Ukraini! Glory to God!

    EDIT: Do you know yet where you'll be stationed (if that's not a secret)?

  16. #1091
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    Location: Ukraine
    Quote Originally Posted by Qooper View Post
    Come back alive. Slava Ukraini! Glory to God!

    EDIT: Do you know yet where you'll be stationed (if that's not a secret)?
    No idea at the moment. But taking into account that I'm not the Rembo (far from it, actually) I suppose I would be doing some more or less peaceful supporting job. My physical condition simply won't let me running around with body armor and a rifle.

  17. #1092
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    Registered: Oct 2018
    Location: Ukraine
    I'm home again (temporarily most probable, but still): they said that I'm not Rembo enough to be useful in the army. But the stupid conscription system won't allow them to forget about me so they will be constantly bothering me with conscription orders from now on. Not good.

  18. #1093
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    Location: In the flesh.
    Here's hoping they are so flooded with drones you get picked for that. Having a background in gaming should prove useful there. Slava Ukraini!

  19. #1094
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    Registered: Oct 2018
    Location: Ukraine
    Well, this time I'm going for sure. All is packed, moving out in 30 minutes.

    Don't forget about donations to the Ukrainian army. We would really appreciate that.

  20. #1095
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    Oh man, take care.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...ence/102286894

    Damage appeared to be limited elsewhere in Ukraine, after air raid sirens sounded for hours through the night.

    Ukraine said it shot down 15 of 18 incoming cruise missiles.

    Officials in the capital Kyiv said there were no reports of civilian casualties or damage there.

    The energy ministry said attacks had significantly damaged electricity distribution points in the southern Kherson region and central-eastern Dnipropetrovsk region, leaving thousands of people without power. Repairs to the grid were set to take several days, it said in a statement.

    Ukraine's air defence systems have been bolstered in recent months by delivery of Western equipment, including the American Patriot systems received in April
    This is heartening, Russia launched a large coordinated air attack in the middle of the night, most missiles shot down, 3 got through, there were injuries but no casualties.

  21. #1096
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    But the electricity grid damaged another time, and so weapons/ammunitions deposits.

    Russia can goes on and on for years this way, remember that, and just to accumulate russian deaths to justify to its people the use of the atomic weapons "We just do what USA did in Japan".
    There's no other "strategy" and never was.

  22. #1097
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    lowenz, is there hope that you can offer?

    Another perspective to "Russia can go on for years" is "The Ukrainian's will to defend their own country has only grown stronger".

  23. #1098
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qooper View Post
    lowenz, is there hope that you can offer?

    Another perspective to "Russia can go on for years" is "The Ukrainian's will to defend their own country has only grown stronger".
    I'm not here to offer "hope" to anyone, just to remind that dealing with a fascist state (so with no particular consideration to its own INDIVIDUAL persons because fascism sees the people as a body of perfectly disposable cells for the "greater good in the greater order") is hard IF you want to avoid an open total war (not of the Ukraine, but global).
    And that fascist state can use nuclear weapons justified (as USA did) by their own citizens sent to death (so the more russians Ukraine kills the better is for Russia as a state - of course is worst for people but people is not important in feverish war times when the state convinces the people it acts for the greater good - the "more just" future / order etc. etc etc. - with "heroism" and "motherland" and in general all the supportive idealistic rhethoric - go sons and die for me, your mother).
    Last edited by lowenz; 2nd May 2023 at 05:53.

  24. #1099
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    I'm not here to offer "hope" to anyone
    I appreciate that you're open and honest about this. If you don't mind my asking, do you have hope but you're not here to offer it to anyone? Or you have none and that's why you won't offer any? I'm asking because you put quotes around the word hope, which makes it sound like you're cynical towards hope.

    EDIT: To clarify where I'm coming from, I think hope is essential, which is why I'm zooming in on it.
    Last edited by Qooper; 2nd May 2023 at 06:45.

  25. #1100
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    I have my hope to see defeated the "hybrid" fascist regime of Putin MORE than anyone can imagine ( I really hate the russian prokhanovism/duginism/neofascism as I've said before, i despise every spiritualistic+idealistic form of nationalism more than i despise a child killer, i really reject it as the ultimate corruption of the society organisation, a "perversion" taking political form) but I can't offer to others because those men can REALLY go nuclear when cornered, because they see in the use of atom the birth of USA supremacy they long for too when they talk about "multipolar world".

    When a man like me see a man like Putin among the Kremlin walls and towers with the (empty) Red Star still standing I really see the ultimate corruption of a long time gone dream and the brutal face of the so called "democracy" (because yes, it's the democracy system that put the more demonic dictators in power)
    Last edited by lowenz; 2nd May 2023 at 10:25.

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