Russia invades Ukraine

[faetal]

Jashin's posts do read like sycophantic pro-Russia propaganda disguised as genuine care for the people but your unhinged attitude reeks of the American brand of imperialism, not that I have any idea if you are. "Paid shill"? "Every rifle handed out contains a dead Russian or Chechen or Belarus soldier in it"? Get real.

Second this. At most I'd say that Jashin has maybe been huffing the alt-right's love of Putin & Russia (the use of the phrase "fake news" is a pretty big tell), but paid shilling or actually being Russian is a big stretch.

[lowenz]

Average Ukrainian will have a lot more to fear from other Ukrainians now that everybody can just open fire at will. No politician that actually cares about the people of Ukraine would ever do something so sophomoric and dumb.

It's a bit STRANGE that the SAME words are used by the russians authorities.

I mean, it's technically correct, but it feels a bit ODD.....just like accusing a country with a jew president to be in the hands of nazis.
I mean, it's technically correct, WWII jew prisons guards were ukrainians but I don't think they're ALIVE now.....and Putin's Wagner Group (bonjour) is "nazi" too if you accept reasoning through suggestions.

So let's denazify Russia and the poor Vlad not knowing his mercenary forces are "nazi": he's so genuine.....

[Jashin]

Only thing you can do when you're missing so much information is to put false labels on people like me who are actually awake and looking. Most of you use so much guess words it's copium hilarious (gotta be, can't be, most likely, a bit STRANGE, at most...)

Propaganda doesn't matter, only the material reality on the ground matters. An overwhelming number of observers have already noted that Russians haven't been fighting the way Russians are known to. They haven't called in the god of war, which should be self-evident the reason. Also electricity, water, internet, are still up after 4-5 days. They've got the kiddie gloves on for their kin. If and when it comes off remains to be seen but fake news is certainly deliberately drawing the wrong conclusions from all this.

From the 1928 book by Arthur Ponsonby, "Falsehood in War-Time," Anne Morelli summarizes the 10 techniques:

1 We do not want war.
2 The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3 The enemy is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
4 We defend a noble cause, not our own interests.(Just war theory)
5 The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
6 The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7 We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8 Recognized artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9 Our cause is sacred.
10 All who doubt our propaganda are traitors.

Good job using #10 on me. I expected it when I started sharing good observations that contravened MSM.

Also this here has confirmed, without a shadow of a doubt, that know-nothing liberals are closet center-rightists pretending to be left. At least the real rightwing (akem, Tocky) tell you what they are to your face

[Azaran]

The fighting continues, but there's ongoing talks, so hopefully this will all end this week

[hard thief kyd]

Now let me tell you something, lads. I am Ukrainian, and I'm damn proud of it. Make no mistake about it, we will defend our country 'till our last fucking breath. The amount of hate towards those russian bastards is limitless. Invaders must die.
Highly appreciated every bit of aid for Ukraine from US, UK, Canada, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and many other countries. Thank you, friends.

GLORY TO UKRAINE!
СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ!

ГЕРОЯМ СЛАВА! СМЕРТЬ ВОРОГАМ! РАЗОМ ДО ПЕРЕМОГИ, ДРУЖЕ!

P.S. In case if I die, and this is my last post... well then... good bye, fellow taffers.

[Tocky]

Jashin's posts do read like sycophantic pro-Russia propaganda disguised as genuine care for the people but your unhinged attitude reeks of the American brand of imperialism, not that I have any idea if you are. "Paid shill"? "Every rifle handed out contains a dead Russian or Chechen or Belarus soldier in it"? Get real.

Imperialist? Don't you have to have an empire for that? And sorry to upset your delicate sensibility but this is war and killing soldiers is what rifles do. The men who get one will join a local unit go to the front or to ambush units if they shoot well. They will look down a barrel and line up sights. They will take a breath and let out half and before their heart can beat three times their finger will tighten to a point of no return. They will not wave them around and shoot their neighbors either on purpose or by accident as Jashin seems to hope for.

As for Jashin being a paid shill, have you so soon forgotten the 2016 election when the internet research agency flooded Facebook with pro Trump anti Hillary crap? Think they won't in time of war?

[lowenz]

Also this here has confirmed, without a shadow of a doubt, that know-nothing liberals are closet center-rightists pretending to be left.

Libtards libtards!!!11111

The same old story.....

[faetal]

An overwhelming number of observers

Who?

Whatever other bullshit you gish galloped out in place of any actual point

Starting to think it might make more sense to join the others and put you on ignore to improve the signal:noise ratio of the thread.

Not because you are not saying what I want to hear, it's just low-quality content.

[lowenz]

Make no mistake about it, we will defend our country 'till our last fucking breath.

Just know that pro-Putin people think you're all brainwashed by "NAZIS".....with a jew president
When someone, ANYONE, accepts this pile of shit you realize the power of fantasy and narrative.....and Obedience to the dux

[Tocky]

Now let me tell you something, lads. I am Ukrainian, and I'm damn proud of it. Make no mistake about it, we will defend our country.

P.S. In case if I die, and this is my last post... well then... good bye, fellow taffers.

Good luck my friend. Remember to keep low and in shadow and nowhere cast a silhouette. Keep cover handy but never fire from the same place twice. Don't poke your rifle out the window but stay back in shadow and move when you can. May your cover be thick and your enemy slow.

[Nameless Voice]

This whole invasion is awful, but I still find it disturbing how people are so eager for more death, to glorify war and warfare as being somehow noble.


I feel sorry for the civilians caught in the middle.
I feel sorry for the Ukrainian men who are forced to become killers to defend their homes - which they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
I feel sorry for the parents of the soldiers who will die on both sides. I even feel sorry for the young Russians who were mandatorily conscripted into the army and ordered to invade their neighbours.

And all for what?
The people behind this, Putin, his cronies, and others who have fanned the flames of this war, are not going to be the ones to suffer and die for this invasion. It will always be the normal people who will suffer and die.


It's depressing that it's 2022 and we live in a world where invasions, wars, and attacks are still commonplace.

[Azaran]

It's depressing that it's 2022 and we live in a world where invasions, wars, and attacks are still commonplace.

Those of us in the west rarely experience that kind of chaos, so we're conditioned into thinking that the world is generally stable. Bad things only happen on tv, overseas, etc... until they happen to us.

The reality is most of the planet is still mired in corruption, power games, poverty, religious extremism , etc. And while technology has improved, other aspects have not, and some are getting worse

[lowenz]

I still find it disturbing how people are so eager for more death, to glorify war and warfare as being somehow noble.

It's hardwired in human mind, it's how we're programmed by default (as animals).

[Tocky]

I don't think many are eager for death but they do accept reality. If you don't fight for your country you lose it. You never win by dying for it either. You win by making the other side die for theirs. Once Putin decided to depose Ukraine's leader there was no other choice. Unless some of the oligarchs tire of losing money and offer him some nice polonium tea, his favorite drink to give to others.

[Cipheron]

Also, they hand-wring about how the guys on the receiving end of the invasion need to rein it in an be nice. Not many words about how the aggressor should be doing that.

Mostly about the Russians I hear stuff like the average Russian soldier doesn't know why he's there, he's just following orders etc. Basically absolving them of personal responsibility - Russian invaders characterized as almost innocent bystanders. Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.

Then on the other hand, for any sign of aggression from the Ukrainian defenders they shake their heads and talk about how irresponsible it all is and they should bend over for their ass-rape because then less people get hurt. "Just comply because we wouldn't want anyone 'hurt' " is the deal the mafia offers you.

Sometimes you gotta fight because the future is more important than "nobody getting hurt". For example, many people died in the struggle for worker's rights, i.e. union battles. If we took the attitude that it was irresponsible to fight back against power because then, we might get some people hurt, then we lose, big time on the longer term battle.

[Starker]

Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.

Er, from what I heard, it was an Ukrainian driver and it was an accident.

I mean, it could well be that a lone Russian tank is just driving around Ukraine without escort, but I think it highly unlikely. Not for long, anyway.

[faetal]

Here is a thread from journalist Carol Cadwalladr on how this may be part of a larger "information war" being waged, largely by Russia:

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...56686548013062

I don't know enough about the source material to have my own take, but it seems worth paying attention to.

[lowenz]

Mostly about the Russians I hear stuff like the average Russian soldier doesn't know why he's there, he's just following orders etc. Basically absolving them of personal responsibility - Russian invaders characterized as almost innocent bystanders. Then you see things like the Russian guy in the tank who deliberately ran over a civilian in a car - a basic murder attempt.
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That's an ukrainian tank running over STOLEN car (by a saboteur / alleged saboteur).
Problem is: they send young soldiers to die just to justify veterans to destroy everything "You see, NAZIS have killed our youngest ones, KILL THEM ALL, liberate Ukraine".
They know how to pimp up the patriotic narrative, they know really well how to make russian people to want the occupation as an act of self defence.

The "real" army is just arriving now and the missile batteries are around the major cities.

[lowenz]

information war

In a poverty context you can't win a politically-driven patriotism, it's like asking someone to admit his "default basic values holding the society" are wrong. So they wage war, cause war is the glue for desperates. It's really hardwired in the brain.
Information war has the goal to feel you in danger and desperate, to stimulate and feed paranoia, until you unlock the hardwired (tribal) programming.

[Tocky]

Well I'll be darned. Briareos H was right. I found video of Jashin and it turns out he is a Texan.

https://www.newsweek.com/who-russell...kraine-1683618

The video is further down.



Well I'll be damned again. I've never known Youtube to ever take down anything. Have they grown a back bone?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1498393087952961541

[lowenz]

Texan communist "nazis everywhere"? WTF, divide by 0

[Cipheron]

Belarus' Lukashenko has shown a map on live TV of Russia/Belarus invasion plans. The big whopper? It showed them invading a nation that they haven't invaded yet - the separatist Transnistria region of Moldova.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-war-latest-vn

The similarity here is that Moldova has also elected a pro-EU president and had an ex-president who was pro-Putin who was kicked out of power. So it looks a lot like they planned to occupy Transnistria once they pacified Ukraine (it's on the other side of Ukraine from Russia), then pull the same shit with supporting separatists there, to destabilize Moldova and get a puppet government going there, too.

[Starker]

Shows you what the conflict is really about. It's certainly not about Russia needing a "buffer zone". Which was a nonsense argument to begin with and more of an excuse for Russian aggression and making it seem like the invasion was the West's fault. In truth, most of the big countries have been able to project force to anywhere in the world for a while now and practically speaking there's very little difference between a missile being launched next door or from one country over or from a submarine off your coast.

[lowenz]

Shows you what the conflict is really about. It's certainly not about Russia needing a "buffer zone". Which was a nonsense argument to begin with and more of an excuse for Russian aggression and making it seem like the invasion was the West's fault. In truth, most of the big countries have been able to project force to anywhere in the world for a while now and practically speaking there's very little difference between a missile being launched next door or from one country over or from a submarine off your coast.

Of course is a nonsense, where is the "buffer zone" between USA Alaska and russian cities like Vladivostok and that part of Russia nobody's remember being Russia and not China?
There's only the sea and very little of it.

So "NATO aggressions" are of course possible, but nobody even remembers that USA-Russia direct border.

[Starker]

Alaska-Vladivostok is a complete non-starter. Not least because it would require a lot of travel through vast areas of very little importance and it's not how modern wars are conducted in any case.