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Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

  1. #1501
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    What a shit show.
    All the pressure putin has blown into the trumpet, he was bound to reach the brown note sooner or later.

    Imagine if a putin admirer had been on a helicopter above that exact spot when the... Well, gotta get back to work.

  2. #1502
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    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    The sewer system couldn't handle the 10000+ soldiers that they brought from North Korea.

    Oh how I wish it would be raining shit in Kremlin every day.

  3. #1503
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    Registered: Jan 2024
    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    I wonder if the secret subway line (metropolitan train, or metro) was also flooded with shit all over the place.

  4. #1504
    New Member
    Registered: Sep 2011
    Without a doubt, but we will never know since it's a "secret subway line"

  5. #1505
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Google has racked up some 2 undecillion rubles ($2.5 decillion) worth of fines in Russia after years of refusing to restore the accounts of pro-Kremlin and state-run media outlets...
    That is more than the entire world's GDP, even in a virtually worthless currency.

    I guess that's one way to buy more guns.

  6. #1506
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    To buy ridiculousness

  7. #1507
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    If you have that in small coins, it would collapse and form a black hole.

  8. #1508
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    Registered: Jan 2024
    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    Some guy a while ago (a few years ago as matter of fact) bought a car paying with coins, the car dealer wasn't pleased at all. Not one bit.

  9. #1509
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    Registered: Feb 2002
    Location: In the flesh.
    Goodbye Ukraine. Trump will make certain you get no funding now.

    For what it's worth, you fought the good fight for democracy, but the US is no longer for democracy. Maybe Europe, who still believes dictators are a bad thing, will try to fill in.

  10. #1510
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Yes I hope Europe will step up but if Rump pulls the USA out of NATO, the continent will have a defacto enemy on two fronts.

    There are still people alive from WW2 and as November 11 approaches, it saddens me to think that they may feel that the sacrifices they made and the comrades they lost were for nothing. The fascists are back in the driver's seat thanks to stupid people who know nothing of history and care nothing for the future.

  11. #1511
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    Registered: May 2004
    My country has been among the biggest supporters of Ukraine, but since we are so small, it barely makes a dent in anything. Russia is backed by its staunch allies North Korea and Iran and is getting further support by big countries like China and India who buy its oil and sell it the things it needs (I think I saw it mentioned somewhere that over 90% of Russia's machine tools now come from China).

    When US pulls its support, things are undoubtedly going to get much tougher for Ukraine. Almost half of the assistance so far has come from the US, leaving a hole that's difficult to fill. I expect Northern and Eastern Europe will step up as they have been, but large parts of Western Europe so far have been dragging their feet and not treating the conflict with anywhere near the urgency it requires.

    Here's how Ukraine aid compares in terms of cups of coffee per month per capita, btw:


  12. #1512
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    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    Maybe Europe, who still believes dictators are a bad thing
    In Europe there's the pseudo-orwellian thinking that "big corps" of the "liberal satanic globalist world" are the tyrants and so the "strong men" (dictators but called "people captains") are the ones that will saves us from tyrants (and Putin is seen as the perfect example of this, it's why he's loved so much and so Trump, Orban, etc).......so we accept dictators if they say they fight tyrants in the name of the "holiness" of the "homeland" (see the Holy Rus -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Rus%27 )

    All the alt-right/nazbol movements are literally build around this belief (and with the goal to push Russia strategic geopolitical agenda). It's a kind of "nationalsocialist" movement but neutral/pro vs Israel jewish and silently against "international jewish" and "international communists" (see Ford vision) and of course antisemite against arabs/Islam outside of the Middle East.
    It's a long work in progress since 2010 and now you can see the damn results.....it's literally the original Hitler vision without the german superiority/nordic esotericism elements and instead the orthodox mysticism to "fight satanism".
    Last edited by lowenz; 7th Nov 2024 at 01:52.

  13. #1513
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    In Europe there's the pseudo-orwellian thinking that "big corps" of the "liberal satanic globalist world" are the tyrants and so the "strong men" (dictators but called "people captains") are the ones that will saves us from tyrants
    Not just in Europe. Everywhere. The reactionary trend in politics is a symptom of a bigger problem I think, which is the rejection of rationalism.

  14. #1514
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    Not just in Europe. Everywhere. The reactionary trend in politics is a symptom of a bigger problem I think, which is the rejection of rationalism.
    Exactly.
    It's a (very) toxic byproduct of the "market world" (that is indeed articulated around rationalism).

  15. #1515
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    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    If you want to get to the deepest roots, it was Augustine's triumph over Pelagius in arguing that humans have imperfect knowledge, and there can be a disconnect between what you say and what's in reality, reality can be different, and when there's a conflict between word and object, reality trumps rhetoric, what came to be called nominalism.

    That's at the foundations of Western civilization as we know it but the masses aren't buying into it so much anymore. What matters are people's emotional truths rather than what is manifest in front of them. So now we have to deal with this emotional reaction for four or who knows how many years now until manifest reality kicks back.

  16. #1516
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    It can't be enough because those people can "discover" logic but use it in paranoid ways to feed their own existing biases ans so reinforce their believes. The rabbit hole never ends because it has an existential dimension: if you reject it you get emptied from inside, it's like an implosion.

  17. #1517
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    But "manifest reality" is only really available to an informed populace, which is why strong-men love the "poorly educated". Even a well educated populace can be manipulated emotionally, sustaining the belief in an objectively false narrative, erasing the benefits of higher education.\

    You can see this now in the form of self-flagglation by left wing pundits, blaming Trump's success on The Dems telling the truth about MAGA rather than on the lies and criminality of the GOP.

    One step forward, ten steps back.

  18. #1518
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    A few weeks ago I saw the news that Ukraine's production of Hrim-2 missiles had also increased to hundreds. And now we got this. Let the show begin i guess

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/u...-missiles.html

    The return of 'big boom' weapons alone is a shocker. N.Korea sent 170mm artillery to Russia. Howitzer M107 artillery might feel called out.
    Last edited by taffernicus; 17th Nov 2024 at 23:12.

  19. #1519
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    Registered: Sep 2023
    Location: indonesia
    unfortunately big boom weapons for sea warfare will not return. I'm not sure if both sides have fully functional ancient battleships. I'm always wondering, How many modern cruisers or frigates should escort 1 battleship? And it looks like battleship is an easy target and really vulnerable to modern weapon but it's very useful for offshore bombardment. How long does it take to retrofit her with cruise missiles, long-range sensing and threat detection system , put in some rolling airframe missiles and a few air defense like Goalkeeper CIWS?

    I'm also not sure if this battleship should be accompanied by maritime patrol aircraft and carrier based airborne early warning...

    It is also impossible for this battleship to wander between snake island near ukraine and target the crimea

    Imagine how horrible it would be to be hit by a shell from 12 to 14 inch naval gun
    Last edited by taffernicus; 17th Nov 2024 at 17:35.

  20. #1520
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    Registered: Jan 2024
    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    Biden just authorized Ukraine to use long range weapons directly against Russia.

    https://apnews.com/article/biden-ukr...ecc8bfcf011f9c

    Politics
    Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US-supplied longer range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia

    MANAUS, Brazil (AP) — President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied missiles to strike deeper inside Russia, easing limitations on the longer range weapons as Russia deploys thousands of North Korean troops to reinforce its war, according to a U.S. official and three other people familiar with the matter.

    The decision allowing Kyiv to use the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMs, for attacks farther inside Russia comes as President Vladimir Putin positions North Korean troops along Ukraine’s northern border to try to reclaim hundreds of miles of territory seized by Ukrainian forces.

    Biden’s move also follows the presidential election victory of Donald Trump, who has said he would bring about a swift end to the war and raised uncertainty about whether his administration would continue the United States’ vital military support for Ukraine.
    And Putin of course said this...

    https://news.sky.com/story/its-a-stu...oscow-13255961

    President Vladimir Putin has warned the West they would be playing with fire if they allowed Ukrainian forces to launch Western-supplied cruise and ballistic missiles at Russia, saying it could even trigger a global conflict.
    Last edited by DuatDweller; 18th Nov 2024 at 04:15.

  21. #1521
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    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    A global conflict with an economy shrinked to the Italy's one or less?

  22. #1522
    The Necromancer
    Registered: Aug 2009
    Location: thiefgold.com
    Oh this is not good


  23. #1523
    Oh wow it would be uh...terrible if DC or NYC got nuked! Please don't do that Vlad!

  24. #1524
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2006
    Location: Berghem Haven
    It was the same with F16s and the Abrams......come on guys, wake up.

  25. #1525
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    Registered: May 2004
    If Russia thought they could strike Ukraine or any Western country with a nuke and get away with it, they would have already done it by now.

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