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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post
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    As an aside, I don't know about Ukraine, but visible minorities in Russia are treated like shit (think blacks in the US south 100 years ago). If you're not white and live in Russia, you will be harassed and likely physically assaulted, guaranteed.

    I saw a documentary that followed African students in Moscow, and what they lived through was pure torture - constant heckling in the streets, and regular assaults by racist gangs

  2. #152
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    Damn that's rough. it's a good thing Putin is cleaning up the Nazis in Ukraine then, to make sure stuff like that doesn't happen.

    BTW, predictable effects of Putin's actions: Moldova officially applies to join the EU. Georgia announces the same.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...hip/ar-AAUzluL

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...ship/n2s5dicz4

    Also Putin states he's a very nice person and no more sanctions plz.

  3. #153
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    Damn, this thing is scaling and escalating too much quickly
    Last edited by lowenz; 4th Mar 2022 at 19:27.

  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cipheron View Post
    Apparently, people are trying to flee Russia right now as rumors of the actual war are starting to spread.
    Damn, you've been completely brainwashed. Nobody runs, everything is fine.


    Obviously even if the TV is not telling them anything,
    TV gives us detailed information about global European idiocy 24/7.


    the effects of the sanctions are starting to hit, .
    Oh, sanctions, I'm dying! Save me, save me! Don't be an idiot, we don't care. There is an increase in prices for smartphones and cars. But this is nothing compared to your increase in energy prices. Also only 15% of Russians visit Europe as tourists. Your governments feed you shit.

    No, really, thanks for the sanctions! We are motivated to develop import substitution and other things. There is also talk of nationalizing your planes, ikea and other junk.

    We have wonderful people, resources, foreign partners such as China, India, Brazil, Turkey and many others, and the cherry on the cake is the most powerful precision weapon. And ask yourself, my little European friend - who is afraid of your sanctions?


    and there have been runs on banks with people trying to withdraw money.
    There is nothing like that. You are shown queues at Ukrainian banks, but everything is fine in Russia



    So the public in Russia definitely know the shit is hitting the fan even if the news in Russia is sanitized

    I am Russia. And I see the shit coming from you and the others here.


    The fears are that during an upcoming Presidential Address, Putin will declare martial law and conscription.
    Don't go crazy. Save at least a particle of common sense. You're talking about Ukraine. That's where they take everyone into the army and hand out weapons on the street without registration. Only professionals serve in the Russian army, they get a lot of money.


    People are heading to the borders but finding that they can't get plane tickets and the border guards are confiscating and searching people's phones so they're deleting all the private messages on there before they get to the border (person's friend was apparently trying to get into Latvia).
    All this shit is not about my country. I feel sorry for you.


    Surely, Putin should "bend the knee" right about now rather than have his people suffer with international sanctions and blockades, right?
    Wrong! This is the shit that politicians and the media feed you. The consolidation of the peoples of Russia has reached its highest point in all strata of society.

  5. #155
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    RE: Beau's videos. Yeah. I was going to do the "on the other hand" video.

    Like Rump, just because Putin can't win doesn't mean he won't burn down the world while losing.



    Who activated the sleeper agent? I am sure we get plenty wrong about Russia but Putin is a sick f*ck, a psychopath and his minions are pretty ham fisted.

  6. #156
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    Ukrainian prisoners of war in front of the head of the Donetsk People's Republic recognized by Russia.

    These guys give up as soon as they receive such an offer.





    The Donetsk leader gives a smartphone to one prisoner so that he can call his mother:






    These are not Nazis, these are ordinary people who were forced to fight against their brothers from the Donetsk Republic.

    All prisoners will be released later.

  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    If we don't then we truly aren't worth a damn. I feel guilt that we haven't already done more. May you never run low on ammo, brother.
    These guys will never run out of ammo, but the fuel for vehicles that the Evil Putin gives them will last for a few of days.

    Quote Originally Posted by hopper View Post
    Putin denies Ukraine's right to exist as an independent country, plain and simple. He considers the breakup of the Soviet Union to be the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century, and he considers control over Ukraine to be Russia's birthright. We know this because he's gone to great lengths to explain in his own words directly to the people that this is how he thinks. Nobody wanted this war. Not the USA, not Europe, certainly not Ukraine, and most likely neither did most Russians. Only Putin wanted this. He and no one else.
    This is all that your media feeds you. All that a European philistine can count on is spaghetti on his ears.


    Russia, not Putin, will never allow Ukraine to join NATO. I am a part of Russia, and I will not allow it either.

    Ukraine has no right to be in NATO. You've been completely brainwashed. No one has the right to be in NATO after the 1997 treaty. An agreement on non-expansion of NATO was signed. You had to keep your end of the bargain. But you deceived Russia. And Putin was not there then.
    And who is the aggressor? This is a fee.

    As soon as Zelensky mentioned the need for a nuclear bomb, Russia immediately attacked. We will not allow a nuclear bomb near Moscow. Don't be an idiot!

    Rockets from Kharkov will reach Moscow in less than 3 minutes. Therefore, NATO will not be in Ukraine. Never.

    I'll tell you more, to date Ukraine has lost 1/4 of its territory, where the Russian population lives.

    You don't know the truth. You have honest military experts, historians and journalists, but they are silenced and threatened with criminal prosecution. All Putin's speeches are shown to you shortened, cut out of context.

    The Russian part of the population of Ukraine does not want to be part of Nazi Ukraine. Ukrainians have always hated Russians. Russian language has been banned for the Russian part of the Ukraine population. This is an enthic conflict. And if the Minsk agreements had been implemented, it would have been solved, but when Ukraine started insisting on NATO and a nuclear bomb, we were forced to intervene. We will not allow either one or the other.

    Your leaders want to impress upon you that Putin is a Demon and the Russians are savages, with only one goal - that any actions of your governments are justified.

    Just calm down and let us resolve our conflict. We'll do it anyway. You can hate us, impose sanctions against our cats, but do not interfere. This is our war. We didn't finish off the Nazis in 1945, but we will do it now.

    As for Zelensky, he is 3% Jewish, and he does not decide anything. The Nazis from various formations are the ones who are now in control of the situation. They do not obey orders, and kill Ukrainian officers who want to retreat.

    Even if Zelensky agrees to fulfill all Putin's demands, the Nazis will not lay down their arms - because they know that there will be no captivity, they will be physically destroyed.
    President Zelensky is not on the Russian list of war criminals of Ukraine, precisely because he does not decide anything.

    As for NATO - it was created not to protect poor Europeans, but to destroy Russia, in order to seize resources that you have almost no left. Gas, right?
    When Russia disappears on global map (in the inflamed mind of your Nazi governors) you will be able to control the whole world "By bringing democracy here and there. That's what you guys do all the time, isn't it?

  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    Nobody runs, everything is fine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    Damn, you've been completely brainwashed.
    Every accusation is a confession.

  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    Who activated the sleeper agent? I am sure we get plenty wrong about Russia but Putin is a sick f*ck, a psychopath and his minions are pretty ham fisted.
    Putin shut down Facebook. They have nowhere else to go. The funny thing is when their internet went down for awhile the traffic dropped 70% on the GOP twitter page.

  10. #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    We have wonderful people, resources, foreign partners such as China, India, Brazil, Turkey and many others, and the cherry on the cake is the most powerful precision weapon. And ask yourself, my little European friend - who is afraid of your sanctions?
    I bet your troops are especially enjoying the opportunity to experience Turkish Bayraktar drones up close and personal.


  11. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post

    These are not Nazis, these are ordinary people who were forced to fight against their brothers from the Donetsk Republic.

    All prisoners will be released later.
    The Donetsk/Luhansk guys were supported from the start by an actual Neo-Nazi organization who's leader has links to Putin., See the Wagner Group. They were named such because Wagner was Hitler's favorite composer. Putin uses them as a mercenary / paramilitary wing for dirty ops.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

    The Wagner Group itself was first active in 2014, along with Utkin, in the Luhansk region of Ukraine. The company's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner" after the German composer Richard Wagner, which he is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich. As such, some believe him to be a neo-Nazi.
    Who better to take out Nazis than actual Nazis, i guess /s

    Fact check: there are Russians who have a huge hardon for the Nazis, and Putin has sent them to help invade a nation who's president is a Jewish descendant of holocaust survivors.


    And a common sense check:

    There are over 200 countries in the world and the vast majority of them are giving basically the same story. The only one who isn't is Russia, where 99.99% of the media is directly controlled and censored by one man, Vladimir Putin. So you're going to say that Putin's government controlled media is the only accurate "free" information, and the entire range of media, from liberal to conservatives etc from literally over 200 independent nations is "lock-step propaganda". Putin shut down those lying independent media in Russia too. So I guess literally EVERYONE in the whole world except Putin are liars, right?

    Oh yeah, a few countries are probably also giving Russia's version. Like if you go to North Korea it'll be the Russia-friendly version. And we all know how open and free North Korean media is, right?
    Last edited by Cipheron; 5th Mar 2022 at 03:30.

  12. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    The Donetsk leader gives a smartphone to one prisoner so that he can call his mother
    Same as ukrainians do as propaganda, if you want to know.
    Hard to know who is manipulating more that the other part.

  13. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    Russia, not Putin, will never allow Ukraine to join NATO. I am a part of Russia, and I will not allow it either.
    You superpower behind a keyboard.

    The NATO menace is a ruse for you gullible people in love with geopolitical correctness, the main problems about this *MILITARY OCCUPATION*, dear moscovite, are totally different. Of course the "NATO" will always be nominated as the NATO itself can use "ISIS" or "Al Qaeda" as a straw man.
    The REAL arguments are strictly imperialist arguments that a internationalism-hater as Putin really embraces. For Putin, "Ukraine" is not a nation nor a country, it's a "Lenin's hit to russian civilisation" to fix. And Donets/Lugansk a Krushev doubledown on that.

    I can go on and on but I think you russians are paradoxically so "para-occidental" (the same "West" you're taught to detest) that you don't even realise the true ideology behind your CeaZAR.

    I'm personally a Bogdanov admirer, so don't think i can "hate" russian culture. But you people are falling in the mortal embrace of Dugin's vision of a "messianic" Russia and its long arm Uncle Vlad.
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 04:56.

  14. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    As soon as Zelensky mentioned the need for a nuclear bomb, Russia immediately attacked. We will not allow a nuclear bomb near Moscow. Don't be an idiot!
    Can't you see the SAME pattern seen in USA+Iran conflict about nuclear energy? Or UK+Iraq with inexistent "weapons of mass destruction"? Open your eyes, don't be a pawn of ex KGB elite selling you some geopolitical correctness ("Oh, now I know things! Let's bash the brainwashed idiots!!111") as other people were to other elites.

    (Bombs are from bombers in the sky, hello, NATO doesn't need Ukraine to send bombers over Moscow - or Kaliningrad)
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 06:52.

  15. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    You don't know the truth. You have honest military experts, historians and journalists, but they are silenced and threatened with criminal prosecution. All Putin's speeches are shown to you shortened, cut out of context.
    No, we'll full of russian agent acting as souverainist / Anti UE "resistance" (ahah) since 2010 if you want to know. And now YouTube - I speak for Italy - is swarming of russian paid bots and russians who can't even disguise their original account name
    There's no criminal prosecution here, Putin is right when he says we are "weak" 'cause we can't even prosecute political bots and bots company.

    We're "too liberals" in his eyes and technically he's right. That's why he's started the occupation (it's not an "invasion" or an "attack", it's an occupation, see the logistics of the operation). He can, so he does. No "demon", it's simple opportunity (with some thousands of "expendable" lives lost, ukrainians and russians).
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 06:06.

  16. #166
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    https://www.indy100.com/politics/gre...bannon-ukraine

    Greta Thunberg is responsible for the war in Ukraine, apparently.

    At least that is what one of Steve Bannon's lackeys has to say.

    Speaking on Trump's former political adviser's show WarRoom, Ben Harnwell, the international editor of the show, slammed the Swedish climate activist and claimed there was a "direct causal link" between her activism and Putin's invasion of Ukraine last week.

    "There's a direct causal link between Greta Thunberg at the UN podium with the tears down her cheeks saying 'how dare you', between that and all the damage she's being doing throughout Europe and the world, pushing for climate fanaticism and Vladimir Putin's dominance and being able to invade Ukraine last week."

  17. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    When Russia disappears on global map (in the inflamed mind of your Nazi governors)
    ...
    This is our war. We didn't finish off the Nazis in 1945, but we will do it now.
    Nazi, nazi everywhere.....

    "Nazi powers"......allied with Israel. LOL
    You can't realize how you are brainwashed.
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 07:14.

  18. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowenz View Post
    No, we'll full of russian agent acting as souverainist / Anti UE "resistance" (ahah) since 2010
    Dear moscovite "Soul Tear", do you recognise some russian fellow in this photo?



    And here?



    Well, in Italy we can't even "touch" those Dugin friends (now the one in the second photo he's an "ex" friend, as "ex" friend of Trump)
    Even TOUCH with some simple investigations about the connection to Putin's party, 'cause you know, we're liberals (and so "weak" as Putin says)

    So where's the "prosecution"? Where? They're free, the second was "our" (sigh) Internal Affairs minister.......free to spread their poison like Chernobyl. But free. There's NO "prosecution" here.
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 06:21.

  19. #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post
    But this is nothing compared to your increase in energy prices.
    We buy GAS, not "energy".

    The consolidation of the peoples of Russia has reached its highest point in all strata of society.
    The perfect fascistization of society in fact, as the Izborskii Group theorized since Crimea most fortunate annexation.

    If you want some REAL OLD FASHIONED fascists (REAL fascists, not Bandera separatists) we can send you someone.....just ask
    They *love* consolidation of the peoples reaching its highest point in all strata of society, it's all they dream of, since 1924.

  20. #170
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    Let me put just ONE photo about the second character, so you'll see how things are really are.....



    Internal Affairs minister, well known PROTEAN opportunist since 1993. Yes, you read right: 1993.
    Putin is SO right about "weakness" of the West. A MENTAL weakness.

  21. #171
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    Soul_tear, how deeply you fall. I was a better think about you. All things that you said is a good speech of your russian propaganda. Any normal thinking person right now can open any "neutral" news and see what is really happening. Beware the dawn of new metal wall across your country. And you can go in the same direction as your military ship.

  22. #172
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    If I show our moscovite member the proof of political botting on YouTube (just reporting the account creation date, the EMPTY content, etc. you CAN'T POSSIBLY THINK they're not bots) he will realize how far he has been fooled by the "consolidation of the peoples reaching its highest point in all strata of society goal?
    And how a sane person can believe there are "NAZIS" since 1945 in a ORTHODOX culture as the one Ucraine has? It's IMPOSSIBLE. And how a sane person believe there are "NAZIS" in our governments if they collaborate with - and sometime bow to -.....Israel?
    There's only ONE case of slavic "fascists" (not even nazis) in hystory, the croatian ustasha. There's no other "fascism" in any slavic culture (because they were not orthodox but catholic, it's why the word is not a complete non-sense in that case). Bandera was a nazi collaborator and a separatist but really, don't tell me (I'm italian) what fascism is. Don't try to bullshit me about Fascism (or Nazism)

    We know literally the DOCTRINE and the MYSTIC of Fascism and the its *inherent* racist component toward slavic people. ALL slavic people. It's *inherent* like the antisemitism in Nazism.
    It's "ROME" taking over barbaric subhumans if you want to summarize. Germans are "excused" only 'cause the Holy Roman Empire keeping "Roman" legacy

    But now it's Putin playing "ROME" (and for years of course it was USA).
    Civilization UNIFORMATION/CONFORMING and CONSOLIDATION by force. That's the "fascism" today. And that's the goal of the not-liberal elites (like the Izborskii Group in Russia) fighting liberal globalist "nihilistic" elites.
    Russian "oligarchs" jump from one to another of the two sides, based on $$$$$ (oh, what a surprise)
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 10:25.

  23. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Tear View Post

    The Russian part of the population of Ukraine does not want to be part of Nazi Ukraine. Ukrainians have always hated Russians. Russian language has been banned for the Russian part of the Ukraine population. This is an enthic conflict. And if the Minsk agreements had been implemented, it would have been solved, but when Ukraine started insisting on NATO and a nuclear bomb, we were forced to intervene. We will not allow either one or the other.
    Since nobody else addressed this- The Minsk agreement had Ukraine giving Russia it's nuclear weapons in exchange for not being invaded. The nuclear weapons were given. Russia invades. Who broke it? Ukraine never insisted on a nuclear bomb. They gave those up. Apparently they shouldn't have because Russia didn't uphold it's end of the bargain.

  24. #174
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    Ukrainians "hated" russians non for impossible ethnic reasons - they're of course in the same slavic branch - but for presents like *HOLODOMOR* (and no, I'm NOT a believer that was intentional genocide, but an intentional negligence)
    Ukrainians speak russian with no particular problem. Old soviet times ukrainians speak fluent russian like a native tongue.

    It's not even Croatia vs Serbia, it's - PUTIN'S WORDS - "Let us sanitize Lenin's errors, we are the real deal in the quest to eradicate communism faults, not those NAZIS" (ahahaha)
    Donbas is "Kruschev error".
    It's all about "fixing" soviet times choices (remember the soviet anthem "Unbreakable Union of *FREE* Republics") and create a virtual direct connection with the old empire.

    It's more like an abusive relationship, really. I'm the good guy, really, stay with me or you force me to take everything under control. I can be your father too!
    That's the situation, not "NATO BOMBS".

    And let me say that a really nasty knack of Putin is to exploit *OLD* western anticommunism sentiment in the *TODAY* strategic self-victimisation of russian people.
    One day you'll realize that, nobody here (I repeat, I'm italian) "fears" russian people or consider it "barbaric". You simply must realize the ALL thing about Putin vision on Матушка Россия.
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 11:17.

  25. #175
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    Ah, a request (to play down the situation)

    When and if Ukraine will be annexed please discard the Aleksandrov anthem and re-adopt the Екатери́на 's one. It's good (really - there's Kadyrov too in it ) and let us "communists" have back our precious relict of the past in the 1977 form
    So we can sing it without thinking to Putin's mistreatment on it.

    And it's femen compliant too!
    Last edited by lowenz; 5th Mar 2022 at 11:46.

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