Reply With QuoteTrains were a similar driving force behind laundry technology during the industrial revolution. Not to mention the blending of genetics. Those damned libz trainz, polluting blood purity.
Sure I'm directing the point at them then... Just to say once one knows to look at it phonetically, it'd help with remembering the spelling.
My observation about the story itself is just thinking about how connected it is with life in Japan. There is such a run on those kinds of books because the train system is so highly developed there, so many people take the trains, that there's a whole massive industry for books for people commuting on the trains.
That's probably one reason why Japanese tropes get so highly developed and export so well and are so influential, because the commute books and comics are recycling and pushing tropes so far and so quickly. They had a meme culture already up and running before the Internet.
But I think you could really say it's the train network that's grounding the whole thing. Just interesting to observe. These kinds of books and that kind of trope-recycling wouldn't really be conceivable in the US since there's no basis like that for them, except through online platforms and message boards, which has become its own thing.
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Trains were a similar driving force behind laundry technology during the industrial revolution. Not to mention the blending of genetics. Those damned libz trainz, polluting blood purity.
You're against the steam revolution Nick.
This time, on some more not news, violent outside agitators infiltrating college campus protests and attacking students and professors:
First of all there is no genocide. It's not even ethnic cleansing at this point unless you're referring to the Hamas anti-Israel doctrine.Originally Posted by Starker
Some protestors are utterly clueless as to why they are protesting. Others are clearly antisemitic. Another percentage are college age children of Hamas attending universities outside of Gaza (No idea where they come up with the money since they are oppressed). Hamas, Palestinian fedayeen, PLO, etc. can all go eff themselves. Why do any of the non-Palestinian protestors suddenly care? Because it's the latest thing. There's no logical reason why anyone would protest against Israels efforts to repatriate their citizens.
Is the post WWII Israel a perfectly innocent bystander in all of this? No. But the methods developed by Hamas and earlier terrorist organizations are unsound. Also, Japan got big mad when the world (The US) placed embargoes on oil and other cool things so they started a war with the US. There are similarities with Palestinians and Israel (The US) but the US is much better at redirecting pissy attitudes so that the wars remain smallish and don't directly involve the inventors of the glass parking lot maker.
Anyway, if you want to make some money here's a list of defense contractors you can potentially invest dollars in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...se_contractors
Thank you for the perfect example of what this video is about. You could easily go work for CNN or MSNBC at this point and yell at those stupid kids who don't know what they are doing and threaten their future.
I have better things to do...
I mean it -- the video above is basically an answer to your post.
It's an hour and twenty minutes long. I watched the first 7 minutes.
I dismiss these protests because they aren't making anyone in power uncomfortable. If the students really want to force a change in policy, they need to physically confront the people who are actually making the decisions. Who's on the board of Lockheed Martin? What are their physical home addresses? Who are the Senators who voted to send more bombs to Israel? What are their addresses?
But oops...as soon as you push a little too hard and actually make powerful people worried, that's called an insurrection. Welcome to 20 years federal prison. Far easier to keep your head down and not make waves, right?
Mill around on campus for a few days. Spray paint a few buildings. Surround a couple of Jewish women with a crowd of assholes in keffiyeh scarves, and scream threats at them to make yourself feel tough. Then wander off and get high, having accomplished nothing of consequence. Go on social media and declare that you won.
Or sure, sit in the street and block traffic for a while. You think powerful people care that some blue collar workers had to sit and wait on a bridge? The real decision makers are flying past you in private helicopters laughing their asses off. But these students are making themselves feel better, and that's what really matters.
Weird flex, but ok.
If there's a massive violent response to the protests and widespread condemnation and vilification in the mass media, clearly they are making someone uncomfortable.
Local governments are going to deploy cops, sure. I'd hardly call it a massive violent response. But my question is, how have the protesters changed Federal government policy/funding toward Israel? If nothing has changed, then no one in power cares.
I mean, just look at the video -- there are plenty of examples of unprovoked violence against the protestors, students and professors alike. And in some cases, the response is clearly massively overblown where the cops outnumber the protestors and even snipers are deployed.
Also, I don't think these particular protests were meant to effect any change in the federal policy as much as they were directed towards the leadership of the colleges. As stated by some of the protestors in the video themselves, basically their goal was for their issues to be heard and considered, nothing more. Which is why the overblown response to it in many cases is so baffling.
As for the protests being meaningless, same could be said for any amount of activism -- people protesting war, climate change, etc. Sometimes the goal itself is taking action, building community, etc. And what is the alternative -- don't care about the issues that you care about, just shut up and ignore it?
Also, you simply assume that they are just doing this to harass people and make themselves feel good, but I would hardly think people are willing to go and be the target for violence and widespread national mockery and vilification just because they want to feel good about themselves. In fact, it rather sounds fairly cynical and dismissive.
Certain causes have the numbers, and know they most likely won't face serious backlash. And I'm pretty sure any crackdowns on them have been the exception, not the rule. Here they've had protests every single weekend, and are given free reign. Granted, most have been peaceful, but there's a major university where Jewish students now face regular harassment and the administration looks the other way on antisemitic incidents.
I wonder if there'd be so many protests if the religions were reversed?
And how does that stop the war in Israel or Gaza? It doesn't, hence it's meaningless. Do they think if they scare the head administrator at UCLA into calling the CEO of Raytheon to ask him to stop making missiles, it's actually going to happen? This is all just an excuse to hang around and look cool in front of liberal co-eds.I don't think these particular protests were meant to effect any change in the federal policy as much as they were directed towards the leadership of the colleges.
I told you what the alternative is: Go right to whoever is actually making the decision, and hurt them, badly. But again, they might get in trouble if they did that. Easier to yell at Jewish students and chase them off campus (while safely outnumbering them twenty to one of course).same could be said for any amount of activism -- people protesting war, climate change, etc. Sometimes the goal itself is taking action, building community, etc. And what is the alternative -- don't care about the issues that you care about, just shut up and ignore it?
Yes I started my post by saying I was being dismissive of these protests.it rather sounds fairly cynical and dismissive.
But this is not that the goal of the protests was in the first place. I don't think anybody there thought they were going to make Raytheon stop producing bombs or the US government stop giving them to Israel or Israel using them on civilians.
Terrorism rarely brings the results that people want, unless the goal is to spread more conflict and to hurt people.
Well if the point of your "protest" is just to be heard, then it's nothing but pointless posturing. If you're not going to change anything, then why do it unless you just want to make kewl Tiktok content.
I thought the left lived by the maxim of "by any means necessary."Terrorism rarely brings the results that people want, unless the goal is to spread more conflict and to hurt people.
It's just too long to and from the first few minutes it seems needlessly so. The host also ignored the concerns of the people he's sampled, which I think are sometimes valid concerns even if you (like me) agree there should be a permanent cease-fire.
Do you not think it extremely odd for people at a protest to not know what the protest is for? Saying "you'd better ask the organisers" is far beyond unreasonable, it's unintelligent. Outrageous even.
I'm in support of the right to protest, and some of the protest suppression (in the USA and elsewhere) seems pretty disproportionate and draconian, but I think using your brain whilst doing it is kind of essential.
But they're making Jews uncomfortable, and to these protestors with their conspiracy theories, that's the same thing.
Again, what is the alternative, if you have an issue with something... obedient compliance? Maybe things aren't going to change if you make yourself heard, but of nobody ever says anything, then nothing is definitely going to change. You never know if you can make a change unless you try in the first place.
The point is sometimes to show that not everybody is supporting something. Otherwise it's easy to assume the opposite and the people making the decisions might go even further if they assume unanimous support. Also, it's not an all or nothing proposal. If you can bring about even some change, any change, even if it's not a complete reversal, then it might be worth it.
It sounds like saying a scatter gun approach is preferable to something focused, nuanced and to the point.
Is that fair to say?
You clearly missed the point of that section, but ok. No, I don't find anything odd about wanting to avoid disingenuous questions, and there's nothing unintelligent or outrageous about it.
Why is it a disingeous question?
We've seen this again and again and again - protesters at these things being "against Israel" but not actually knowing anything about the situation. I've seen it in real life too.
If you don't know what a protest is about you shouldn't be supporting it.
Not wanting to answer a question doesn't mean you don't know anything about the protest. Not knowing about particulars of something doesn't mean you can't understand the impact of something. I doubt many people are able to talk about the particulars of climate science, but this doesn't mean they therefore aren't justified in feeling concern about climate change impacts.
Not knowing about the particulars of a conflict or how it has historically developed does not impact wanting to stop mass killings of civilians or the starvation of children, even if a particular protest is not about this issue specifically, but simply trying to prevent your tuition going to support it.
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