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  1. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigLick View Post
    The pizza box thing is fake news, it had nothing to do with his arrest. What did is the fact he flew his private plane into Romania, posted on instagram that he was in Romania, and that the police knew where his house is, having been there before.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/far-le...d-his-location
    I'm kinda thinking that actual website has a "fake news" edge to it.

    Biden pardons murderers, drug dealers before end of year deadline
    ^ Headline. Actually it turns out it was only one murderer, not murderers, plural. And the person was an old woman who was convicted of killing her wife-beating psycho husband back in 1976. Yeah, but that's not the vibe they want you to be left with if you skim the headlines. So their actual headlines are fake news because they leave you believing something that isn't true. Equally "the drug dealers" portion of the arrest list is pretty thin. I could only see two on the list who were provably done for dealing, and one was for marijuana while the other was underage (18) and selling alcohol.

    (EDIT: also skimming the page i see another "news" article about a trans person who assaulted a family member. Not even a murder. How is that newsworthy? I guess it's newsworthy to them if they can find ANY story about a trans person being violent).

    As for this article let me break it down

    - instead of focusing on an international human smuggler, rapist and illegal pornography producer, they rake someone over the coals for making a mistake about the *exact means* that the police used to track him down.

    - also they focus on her being "far-left" and "trans activist" as the most important factors of the story.

    - they write as if it's 100% the fault of this twitter user for her erroneous tweet becoming worldwide news headlines.

    - in fact, that's the fault of the media. It's THEIR JOB to sift through the information out there and fact-check stuff and make sure they're only reporting accurate stories. But this article doesn't actually criticize or mention any media outlets at all.

    - the headline itself: "Far-left trans activist made up hoax that Romanian authorities located Andrew Tate via pizza box"

    Well

    - first she didn't exactly say that. She said they located him by monitoring social media posts, and then mentioned how the pizza box in one of the videos confirmed him as being in the country. the media were the people who boiled that down to "tate found by pizza box"

    - second, the identity politics stuff crammed in is suss. they give more of a shit about that than they do about what she did. or about tate.

    - lastly a "hoax" implies forgery or faking sources. Yeah but that's not really what happened here. Also such a hoax would have zero motivation for having "made up" any such story. It's not like people's views of Tate are going to be any different because of a pizza box or not.

    Someone who made a mistake just makes more sense given the facts of the story. And it's not a "hoax" because she's not responsible for it spreading to the media. She didn't trick the media into reporting it, which is what a hoax would require.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 30th Dec 2022 at 23:37.

  2. #127
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    Regardless, its still fake information which was widely trumpeted around the world mainly through social media as being true. The prosecutor themselves Bolla Romano came and said the arrest was already in place before all the twitter pizza box shenanigans.
    For the record I am glad that shitstain was done in, but it does show the real danger of misinformation through social media and how quickly it can spread.

    https://www.calmdownben.com/p/romani...ot-find-andrew
    Last edited by PigLick; 31st Dec 2022 at 08:52.

  3. #128
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    QAnon influencer gets secret intel by googling video game stuff, can't tell fiction from real military stuff. (Good bit starts at 1:03:30)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxNsKvB4ies&t=3810

  4. #129
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    I wonder how the Tate apologists / conspiracy theorists are gonna spin this?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...tate-c7p8g05wm

    The so-called “king of toxic masculinity” and accused human trafficker Andrew Tate allegedly put young women tattooed with the words “owned by Tate” on his sex cams, according to London-based newspaper The Times. Tate was arrested in Romania on Dec. 29 on organized crime, rape and human trafficking charges. The influencer abducted young women under the guise of romantic interest before “forcing” them to perform for the 36-year-old’s online sex operation by way of mental coercion and physical violence, according to Romanian authorities.

    ...

    The investigation began after a 22-year-old American woman said she had been held against her will in April last year. The American and other women working for Tate’s online sex operation were said to have had tattoos reading “owned by Tate” on show while appearing on camera, police sources said.

  5. #130
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    This is a guy who, among other things, called himself the king of toxic masculinity, referred to women as property, and said a big part of why he moved to Romania was because it's easier to evade rape charges there. Anyone who didn't already see who this guy is will never see it.

  6. #131
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    "If corruption exists, which it does, let us all play... I like living in a society where my money, influence, and power means I'm not below or beholden to any of these bullshit laws."

    - Andrew Tate

  7. #132
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    Adjunct professor at a Minnesota university gets fired for showing medieval Muslim depictions of the prophet Muhammad, after muslim students cry blasphemy and islamophobia

    In a controversial move, an adjunct professor at Hamline University in St. Paul, Minnesota, has lost her job after showing her class Medieval paintings depicting the Prophet Muhammad, founder of the Islamic religion.

    The school’s decision not to renew the professor’s contract for the current semester has sparked debates over free speech, including a Change.org petition in support of the teacher, signed by at least 2,500 scholars and students of Islamic studies and art history, and a condemnation from PEN America of the “egregious violation” of academic freedom.

    Though it is not mentioned in the Koran, many Muslims believe it is idolatrous to show Muhammad’s face. Most mosques instead are decorated with geometric designs and calligraphy featuring passages from the Koran, and Islamic figurative art is now rare.

    But there is also a tradition of painting Muhammad, often in miniature, especially in Persia, Turkey, and India. Examples can be found in the collections of museums such as the Louvre, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco. It was a selection of two of those artworks shown to the class that cost the professor her job.

    The teacher, identified by the Art Newspaper as Erika Lopez Prater, is said to have displayed the images during on online lecture on October 6, 2022. There was a two-minute content warning prior to the artworks’ appearance, to allow students to opt out of viewing the potentially offensive imagery should they feel it was against their faith.

    I am showing you this image for a reason,” Prater said before changing the slide, as reported by the university’s student paper, the Oracle. “And that is that there is this common thinking that Islam completely forbids, outright, any figurative depictions or any depictions of holy personages. While many Islamic cultures do strongly frown on this practice, I would like to remind you there is no one, monothetic Islamic culture.”

    One of the artworks was an illustration of the archangel Gabriel delivering his revelations to Muhammad from a 14th-century manuscript by Rashīd al-Dīn called the Compendium of Chronicles, while the other was a 16th-century work by Mustafa ibn Vali showing the prophet with a veil and halo.

    Aram Wedatalla, a student in the class and the president of the university’s Muslim Student Association, complained to the professor afterward. Prater apologized in an email, but Wedatalla elevated the issue to university administrators, arguing that the lesson was disrespectful to Muslim students.

    In response, the dean of students sent an email to the student body condemning the incident as “undeniably inconsiderate, disrespectful, and Islamophobic.”


    On December 6, two articles on the incident were published in the Oracle—one a news report in which the university’s associate vice president of inclusive excellence David Everett said that “it was decided it was best that this faculty member was no longer part of the Hamline community.”

    “My perspective and actions have been lamentably mischaracterized, my opportunities for due process have been thwarted, and Dr. Everett’s all-employee email accusation that ‘undeniably… Islamophobic’ actions undertaken in my class on Oct. 6 have been misapplied,” Prater told the student paper.

  8. #133
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    A very nice episode about America's modern Einstein Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved Twitter from pedophiles #digitaljesus #picklerick:

    Last edited by Starker; 12th Jan 2023 at 05:04.

  9. #134
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    Cultural Revolution: the sequel

    https://wildhunt.org/2022/06/new-gov...oCJU628vcAIF0Y

    Over the past few years, Chinese authorities have been purging the influence of folk religion, which it refers to as xié jiào, sometimes translated as “evil cults.”

    Two years ago, local officials in the village of Baofeng in the Chinese city of Gaoyou in Jiangsu province destroyed some 5,911 temples of traditional folk religion.

    In 2020, a video emerged showing statues of the Yellow Emperor, Huangdi, being destroyed, apparently because of the Chinese state’s concerns about folk religious practices. Huangdi is the deity of the material world and civility and is the great shaper of society. He is considered the prime initiator of Chinese culture and holds wu (巫) or shamanic sorcery.

    China’s oppression of folk religions stems from the implementation of Order No. 13, issued by the State Religious Affairs Bureau. Order 13 seeks to standardize the management of religious groups to promote their “healthy development” and “actively guide religion to adapt to a socialist society.” It is part of a plan to subjugate religious practices so they serve the state and ultimately produce and maintain “social harmony.”

    As Cathy Sun notes in Harvard Political Review, “China’s persecution of religious minorities is part of a broader, systematic strategy to eradicate external influence in the social and political lives of citizens while harnessing aspects of religion that could serve the state’s interests. Its campaign of religious persecution is a not unprecedented effort to cement public recognition of the state’s authority and thereby generate political conformity.”

    Recently, the Chinese government has doubled down on efforts to limit religious expression and ensure that religious activity aligns with state interests. Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Islam, and Daoism, as regulated by organizations controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, constitute the religions sanctioned by the state in China.

    Last year, President Xi Jinping lamented to national CCP leaders that prohibitions against using the Internet to “advertise” religion can be too easily circumvented. He noted that the government must do more to ensure that the Internet and social networks are not used as tools for “religious propaganda.”

    In December, the State Administration of Religious Affairs, the National Internet Information Office, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, the Ministry of Public Security, and the Ministry of National Security were collectively empowered by new Administrative Measures for Internet Religious Information Services to promote “the unity of safeguarding citizens’ freedom of religious belief and safeguarding national ideological security, the unity of safeguarding the legitimate rights and interests of religious citizens and the practice of socialist core values, the unity of regulating Internet religious information services and the promotion of the healthy inheritance of religion.”

    The CCP suggests that the principles described in the measures will protect legality, prevent illegality, curb extremism, help resist infiltration, and combat crime. The measures also stipulate that “online sermons should be organized by religious groups, religious schools, and temples and churches that have obtained the Internet Religious Information Service License.”

    The measures came into force on March 1, 2022.

    In May, the Tibet Autonomous Region Cyberspace Administration (TARCA) announced that “a special rectification work in the field of online live broadcasting and short videos in the whole region” was needed to confront unspecified “social threats.” The new regulations ferret out activities “undermining national religious policies,” “promoting harmful information about religion,” and “spreading xie jiao and feudal superstitions.” These announcements are consistent with Order 13.

    TARCA announced no religion or religious activity will be allowed in order to address the social threats now present in the region through the use of short videos and images. Those who do not have permission to send images or videos are subject to prosecution. The new measures effectively ban, for example, a personal post with the image of the Buddha. The CCP asks anyone coming to such illegal posts on the internet to report them immediately to protect the public’s safety.

    In Guangxi last month, the Chinese government increased its surveillance of ethnic Vietnamese groups who speak the Hmong-Mien languages, as well as the Thai-speaking Zhuang, because the state believes they are infiltrating their “folk religion” into Chinese society. They are part of a syncretic faith that includes the worship of the very popular folk hero, Nong Zhigao, who led a revolt for independence against officials, fought against the rich, and protected villagers. Nong Zhigao is now venerated for his willingness to resist aggression and unify his people. Though the Party is aware of his popularity and is cautious to outright eliminating Nong Zhigao’s veneration, the CCP is concerned that such practices could lead to social unrest.

    Finally, this week, the deployment of the measures evolved in a new direction. The CCP reportedly assisted elderly citizens in Guangzhou celebreating the 2022 Dragon Boat Festival by warning them against illegal religious activity, xie jiao, and the dangers of superstition. The CCP is concerned that elderly residents waste their money by making donations to religious organizations and temples, or by spending money on superstitious practices. The theme of the campaign was “protecting your pension money.”

    In another event, the elderly were warned during a lecture against spending their money on “psychic” practices and the evils of illegal religion.

    The CCP asked elderly participants to promise they would stay away from superstition, especially xie jijao and other illegal activities. Before sending them home, the participants were given pamphlets to study at their leisure.

  10. #135
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    It's more than a little ironic that at the root of most of China's authoritarian turn in our time is Xi's trauma, as princeling, by his family's persecution during the Cultural Revolution, the general social havoc that it caused, and his vow of "never again", as explained by the Economist's fantastic podcast doc The Prince. You'd think that'd've pushed him in a liberal direction, but it seems his final conclusion was that the Cultural Revolution didn't go far enough to lock down every possible faction under total social control.

  11. #136
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    That's pretty insane.

    It's also ironic that the bulk of the persecution (if measured by destruction of places of worship) primarily targets native Chinese faiths.

    The Communists don't seem to want to ban religion entirely, but to deprive it of most of what makes it a religion (i.e. ritual practices), and only want to preserve whatever dogma or philosophy is attached to it. Hence why Evangelical Christianity is so successful there, it's far more aligned with what the CCCP wants
    Last edited by Azaran; 13th Jan 2023 at 13:37.

  12. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    It's more than a little ironic that at the root of most of China's authoritarian turn in our time is Xi's trauma, as princeling, by his family's persecution during the Cultural Revolution, the general social havoc that it caused, and his vow of "never again", as explained by the Economist's fantastic podcast doc
    Here's an idea. It's the old 'hurt people hurt people'. Many abusers were victims of abuse as children.
    The 20th century's two worst dictators both suffered horrific abuse at their fathers' hands as kids; I've read theories that it contributed to what they became

  13. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    A very nice episode about America's modern Einstein Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved Twitter from pedophiles #digitaljesus #picklerick:
    I'm kinda Musk'd out because of the saturation. I did delete a dormant Twitter account I had for following work-related accounts though. I might save that and watch it later however when I'm in the mood.

    As for Azaran's islamic thing, it really only takes one student to trigger that, they don't need students, plural. The campus complaints procedure at a lot of colleges is very easy to weaponize against others. Schools will basically veer to whichever option produces the least bad publicity. Supporting the lecturer could have sparked protests (these days a very small group can leverage social media to make these things exploded). Additionally, that stance could have attracted comments from people like Jordan Peterson who could exploit the event for Culture War points. You really don't want to end up in a situation where Peterson is the one slapping you on the back and publicly saying "job well done".

    ---

    As for the latest news, the current manufactured crisis is Stovegate.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...electric-stove

    On Fox News Tuesday night, Tucker Carlson accused the Biden administration of mistaking “themselves for God” by trying to control “the intimate details of your life.” He then made a bizarre comparison between gas stoves and the opioid crisis. "It’s totally fine to give fentanyl to addicts—but a gas stove is a threat to your life?” Carlson said. “You will have to pry my gas stove from my cold dead hands,” tweeted Daily Wire podcast host Matt Walsh.

    The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board also joined in, running a piece Tuesday, entitled “Biden Is Coming for Your Gas Stove,” that accused the CPSC of using indoor pollution “as a pretext to advance the climate left’s” secret agenda. “It’s not enough to force Americans to buy electric cars,” the board wrote. “We must all cook on electric stoves too.”

    ...

    But by the time that disclaimer was released, conservative culture warriors were already in fifth gear. The righteous indignation toward the CPSC reached a fever pitch, among GOP lawmakers in particular. “Democrats are coming for your kitchen appliances,” wrote Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican. “Their desire to control every aspect of your life knows no bounds—including how you make breakfast.” In a tweet directed at Joe Biden, Representative Byron Donalds, a Florida Republican, warned the president to “Get your hands off our gas stoves!!!!” Representative Ronny Jackson, a Texas Republican, expressed his disapproval by repeating a mythic phrase tied to the Alamo. “If the maniacs in the White House come for my stove, they can pry it from my cold dead hands,” wrote Jackson. “COME AND TAKE IT!!”

    Even Senator Joe Manchin, the most conservative Democrat in the Senate, appeared to use a similar line, tweeting that “the last thing that would ever leave my house is the gas stove that we cook on.”
    The upshot is that there's no ban being discussed and it also had nothing to do with the Biden administration or white house. Two congressmen requested a report from CPSC about whether gas stove emissions are a health risk.
    Last edited by Cipheron; 14th Jan 2023 at 08:27.

  14. #139
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    Happened to stumble upon a three part series about one of the all too common cryptoscams.

    The author, Coffeezilla, is a youtuber who makes somewhat clickbaity videos about scam artists and among other things got Sam Bankman-Fried to admit to fraud in an interview.

    The subject in question is Logan Paul, a Youtube influencer whose greatest claim to fame is an incident where he travelled to Japan to disturb people on the streets by doing things like throwing stuff at them and ended up going to a famous suicide spot to film a dead body. As you can imagine, it wasn't really well-received by people outside of his fanbase.






  15. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    A very nice episode about America's modern Einstein Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved Twitter from pedophiles #digitaljesus #picklerick:
    Part Deux:


  16. #141
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    Now this just takes the cake:

    https://www.newsweek.com/pink-floyd-...um-art-1775442

    Some Pink Floyd fans are up in arms about the rainbow colors that have accompanied the band's classic Dark Side of the Moon album artwork for nearly five decades.

    The legendary music group announced Thursday that it was releasing a special 50th anniversary edition of what is already one of the best-selling albums of all time. The announcement was made on social media networks including Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, featuring an adapted image of the iconic album cover with the prism and rainbow colors.

    ...

    While met with mostly admiration from fans, some users felt inclined to call out the band.

    "Lose the wokeness," wrote Twitter user Donna Bradshaw. "Longtime fan. Do you now have handlers? Kanye has exposed this part of the industry. Been listening to your music since 70s. Let's see your response."
    ...
    Some users, whose responses were screenshot and combined in an image, called it a "disgrace" and vowed to never listen to the band again.

    "Lose the rainbow," One Facebook user stated. "You're making yourself look stupid."

    "Are you going woke with rainbows? Is there a straight flag?" another Facebook user chimed in. "I want equal representation. Don't get me wrong, we should all be true to who we are."
    Fortunately for every one of these morons dozens of others piled on to mock them.

  17. #142
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    Pink Floyd becoming political... imagine that.

    Last edited by Starker; 22nd Jan 2023 at 20:54.

  18. #143
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    Current crop of crazy, I heard about this from a poster who asked about it because their QAnon-afflicted partner is freaking out about it

    https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-cu...aradise-tiktok

    The 15-minute city: dystopian conspiracy, or climate-friendly paradise? TikTok conspiracy theorists say that the ‘15-minute city agenda’ is an attempt to usher in ‘climate lockdowns’ – supporters say it can help save a dying planet
    15 minute cities is a town planning concept, where you cluster housing around facilities so that everyone is within 15 minute walking or cycling distance of the services they need. In the conspiracy version, they'll put us into these mini-cities then wall us in, and we can never leave.

    I came across this because there's one of those odd local conspiracies involved. In Edmonton Canada they're creating "pop up dog parks" which are temporary fencing to create off the leash areas where people can bring their dogs and let them off the leash.

    The Qult are freaking out about this, because the initiative is linked in the media to the 15 minute cities concept, and it involves fencing, so they're freaking about about the dog parks now ... must be some kind of psyop the government is running /s

    Here's a video about the WEF "15 minute city idea". This channel is a Crypto currency booster and WEF conspiracy theorist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VH11YOwPY4

    The first great moment is 1 minute into the video, where he says that the idea that the things you need should be close to where you live isn't a new idea, and that it was tried in the ... Soviet Union.

  19. #144
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    How DARE they! I demand my cities be inconvenient and illogical! I must waste more money and time like a good conservative.

    FEAR AND LOATHING! FEAR AND LOATHING! CAMERAS! PEN THEM IN! CONSPIRACY! FACT CHECKING IS THE DEBIL!

  20. #145
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    The Pink Floyd reaction was hilarious.
    But Tucker Carlson just won his war on M&Ms.
    An 80-year old candy product is "woke" now because it comes in multiple colors.
    It's like Pleasantville has come to life.


  21. #146
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    The Xbox is now "woke" because Microsoft updated it to have better power management capabilities. Fox News (lol) is accusing them of indoctrinating kids in "climate politics"

  22. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    An 80-year old candy product is "woke" now because it comes in multiple colors.
    I think this is what did it
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelse...hy-it-matters/

  23. #148
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    Jon Stewart had a chat with history professor Matthew Connelly about how US administrators learned to stop worrying about Nuremberg trials and love the US document classification system:


  24. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    The Pink Floyd reaction was hilarious.
    But Tucker Carlson just won his war on M&Ms.
    An 80-year old candy product is "woke" now because it comes in multiple colors.
    It's like Pleasantville has come to life.
    Weird how conservatives in the US have suddenly become social media influencers doing react videos and pandering to their fans by doing various stunts for them. Next thing you know, they'll be in Japan throwing oversized pokeballs at people.

  25. #150
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    It used to be that when I'd hang out with more conservative friends, they'd be complaining about liberals going around trying to find things to get offended about. I like to remind them of that now.

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