Reply With QuoteCool, thanks galaeri dont think i've played mystic estate (cant remember), so gotta check it out.
The last lighthouse keeper is my all time favourite FM
I know that Samantha1 and fortuni are creating polls for best FMs for every year and I played most of T1/T2 missions (except the ones I didn't know how to launch), but I don't remember all of them. Since polls have deadlines and I'm not committed to replay all older missions and race deadlines, I decided to create this list. Plus of doing it this way is when I get motivation to play older missions and find something better than what I listed here, I can edit this list whenever I want. So this list isn't final and may change in the future. This list has only T1/T2 FMs listed, but in the future I'm planning to play T3 and TDM FMs, so this list may change again.
1999: Garrett's Revenge (T1)
2000: TTGM 1: Errand Boy (T2)
2001: Art of Thievery (T2)
2002: Deceptive Perception (T2)
2003: Rowena's Curse (T2)
2004: Mystic Estate (T2)
2005: T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age (T2)
2006: Rebellion of the Builder (T2)
2007: Three Crowns (T2)
2008: Broken Triad (T2)
2009: Seven Shades of Mercury (T2)
2010: King's Story (T2)
2011: Last Lighthouse Keeper (T2)
2012: Black Frog (T2)
2013: Nigel's Hidden Treasure (T1)
2014: Exile (T2)
2015: House of Locked Secrets (TDM)
2016: Heart of Gems: Night of the Red Moon (T2)
2017: Eye of Gems: Shadow and Fog (T2)
2018: Ultimate Burglary (T1)
2019: Patriot (T2)
2020: Violent End of Duncan Malveine (T2)
2021: Katharsis (T2)
2022: House of Architect (T1)
Last edited by Galaer; 15th Jan 2023 at 17:51.
Cool, thanks galaer
The last lighthouse keeper is my all time favourite FM
Mystic Estate is pretty much 1st mission of Rebellion of the Builder, but it was released 2 years before campaign and both versions of this mission are slightly different.Originally Posted by Samantha1
Cool, thanks galaer
The last lighthouse keeper is my all time favourite FM
If anyone else wants to add their favourite mission of every year to this thread here's the masterlist that I compiled for Samantha for her polls.
I noticed that on your mission there is no CNSD - The Game (2018) (I know it's unavailable right not, but it was released in the past) and Into the Dark Forest Remastered Edition (2021). Also you missed final "2" in year 2022.
CNSD was formally withdrawn, the author requested that all d/l links be removed and hoped no further mention of his mission would take place, as far as I’m concerned that mission never existed.
As for Dark Forest remastered it’s an update of a previous mission, fundamentally the map is almost identical so I didn’t include the remastered version in that list, as I don’t with other re-releases, unless the map is massively different making the new version almost as if it’s a brand new mission (eg Scarlet Cascabel)
If we included all updates there would be 200+ Cardia missions in that list.
Missing 2 added
Last edited by fortuni; 23rd Mar 2022 at 14:53.
Have you play that? Remastered Edition is huge, huge improvement towards original version. A lot more loot and a lot more details. Mission flow is also very different. Original mission was more open, remastered version is more linear. Also there are secrets added. So I really strongly request to add this version to your list.
Played it? I wrote the walkthrough for it!
I'll add it to this list just for you,but honesty I'm not prepared to add any other re-releases, if I did that the number of so call releases would increase from 12500+/- to in excess of 2500 missions and that 's just not feasible. Think of the Bathory campaign or even Dracula campaign, both of those were originally released as 5 stand alone missions, then as 5-6 mission campaigns and then again with Newdark releases, so which release should we consider in any listing? I have usually considered the first release date as the best, with a few exceptions.
Edit: I have now removed 'Into the Dark Forest remastered' from the masterlist because Galaer just doesn't get it, re-releases do not count as new missions, and his constant berating of me below is p**sing me off.
Last edited by fortuni; 24th Mar 2022 at 07:51.
That is an unexpected pick. Do you want to elaborate why this is your favorite mission of 2018?
That's my favorite mission in Thief 1 Anniversary Contest. Usually my favorite contest entries score very lowly. But I liked this mission's simplicity. Flat design of city allowed me to methodically explore this mission. And overall I had a lot of fun with it. For my favorite mission I was also thinking about Mortuos Liber Campaign, but I remember to have slightly more fun with Ultimate Burglary.
@fortuni: Yes, you made walkthrough for this mission, but I suspect you just make walkthroughs by looking into Dromed instead of playing them. Your information about all secrets and all loot appear too quickly to get it just from playing. Also I'm not talking about including every small update for every mission, I'm talking about updates that significantly changed gameplay. There isn't that many gameplay updates out there to hugely stretch your list.
Last edited by Galaer; 23rd Mar 2022 at 17:23.
That's got to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen on this forum!
You try making a walkthrough only using Dromed, impossible, too many links, scripts, teleports etc, and if you knew anything about Dromed you would know that what you think is meant to be happening via Dromed is not always how things show in game.
A walkthrough for the size of a mission such as Into the Dark Forest would probably take a full 3 days, ie 20-30 hours, and seeing I never release walkthrough for at least 6-8 weeks after release where you got the idea I make walkthroughs too quickly comes from is anyone's guess.
Yes I end up using Dromed, but only when I have given up searching for the last items of loot or secrets, and I often play 3 times to check that all the objectives, secrets etc work the same way, if they don't I need to say so in the walk.
Are you sure about these numbers? Isn't it your policy to wait 1 month before you release a walkthrough, but sometimes you have hard time of waiting and release it way earlier. Like in Reverse Robbery you just released full list of secrets just 3 days after release and I remember you also posted big map with location of secrets. So it really feels like you get all info shortly after release of new Fan Mission.
I often manage to finish making a walkthrough the day on or the day after of release but I don’t release it for 6-8 weeks unless the author says it is Ok to do so. Yes I posted the map I made for Reverse Robbery (which didn't show the location of any of the secrets) early because a lot of people were struggling to find certain locations but removed it within half an hour at the request of the author. The final list of secrets was simply a combination of every bodies input on the forum, I found a few as did others, I don’t think I had even looked at Dromed at that point.
Making walkthroughs, lootlists and maps are easy when you have a system but that does not mean a lot of work doesn’t go into each of them. I made the fundamentals for Double Crossed (yet to be released) by the end of the first day, but then spent another 6 days making a map.
So yes I can make a walkthrough for most missions by the end of the first day of release for most missions, but that doesn’t mean I’m cheating or cutting corners as you are suggesting, and if you hadn’t noticed I also write a little blog for the Brief Summaries, you think that can be done by looking only at Dromed?
You seem determined to constantly imply that I have no patience either when playing missions or making and releasing walkthroughs, I’ll admit I have no patience for complex puzzles and sometimes cheat to find the solutions for those, but seeing I have spent 1000’s of hours making walkthroughs, lootlist, maps, Brief Summaries, Mission by Type thread etc I really don’t think the word impatience is one you can attribute to me, fast worker yes, impatient definitely not.
Last edited by fortuni; 24th Mar 2022 at 07:28.
@fortuni: Since you are planning releasing walkthrough these 6-8 weeks after release could you also start making walkthrough after this time is finished. Because you really gave me impression that you don't play these missions, but rather you immediately check them in Dromed. Lately I seen posts of people who when they are stuck, they immediately check what to do in Dromed. Your statement of both versions of Into the Dark Forest feeling the same just because they have nearly identical maps felt ridiculous. Because what about FMs with maps based on OMs or other FMs. You aren't gonna to include them in your list, because their map looks identical?
Can you please knock this stupid argument on the head, I’m getting very bored of it.
It's not stupid. You literally said that you check Dromed with first day after release of new mission. Because of that you can randomly come to mission's thread and ask some technical question like about loot worth 1 in Lone Rock Outpost. You didn't use any spoiler tag either. Just spoiled to everyone that there is bonus objective in this mission. I don't need to know about it right away.
As for the other argument. I think that judging FM just based on map is stupid.
Last edited by Galaer; 24th Mar 2022 at 03:49.
Galaer, I think it goes without saying that fortuni uses dromed to be able to write a walkthrough or check out some secrets. But that does not mean heīs not playing the missions himself. do you really think heīd go through all the trouble and work if he was not enjoying the missions himself? Of course he is playing them themselves so he also made his own picture of the remastered version. Itīs also btw his list, so he can decide for what goes in and what does not.
If you donīt like that, you can just make your own list you know? So far all you do is tell him what he could have not done better instead of just doing it yourself.
Instead of just always complaining, itīd be very nice of you to just go and say "thank you" for once for the hard work that he does. I donīt think you have ever done that. Think about it.
With your constant complaining you kinda destroyed your own thread, that started rather nice but ended not so nice.
On example of Lone Rock Outpost - just 1 hour has passed from release of the mission and he already made his Dromed question about this mission. How can person enjoy mission if he speedrun it and then immediately check this mission in Dromed? That's impossible. Plus this post is right under release post without any spoiler tag. Anyone who wanted to download this mission definitely seen this post. Do you really think I wanted to know that there is bonus objective before even downloading this mission. No, I didn't want. It was really annoying.
Yes, fortuni is making bloody good job with making walkthroughs, but if the process of making one walkthrough is so ridiculously short (1-3 days) (with problems with Dromed he mentioned before I was expecting that making one walkthrough takes couple of weeks) and he's gonna release it after 1-2 months, then I don't see the point for him to check Dromed right immediately and use this knowledge to spoil things to others. I remember having a lot of fun searching for secrets in Patriot. There was no walkthrough man who could check things in Dromed, so exchanging information with others was really fun.
Look, Samantha1. You may not know that, but right after making this thread fortuni PM-ed me with his insulting post that accidentally I made good thread. So that means that my threads are usually bad? Do you think I'm happy about this just because fortuni is making so much for this community?
Last edited by Galaer; 24th Mar 2022 at 10:48.
I wasn't intending to reply to this thread again, but the comment above deserves a reply.
IIRC Lone Rock was the first mission in the contest I played and it was Vegetables (I think) who asked me to start the thread, which was started about 7 hours (not 1) after the contest missions were released. Whilst playing I found the bonus 1g but didn't notice I had an extra 1g until I had finished the mission, not understanding where it came from I looked into Dromed, as would a considerable number of others with Droming experience, it certainly wasn't an intent to speed run through the mission in order to show off about secrets, bonus objectives or anything else. You think someone looking into Dromed is bad form, it's not, people have been checking Dromed and reporting things in the forum since Dromed was first released, If you think TTLG is bad go check out TDM, everybody over there seems to spend more time no-clipping than actually playing the mission.
Should I have used spoilers, yes, but am I the only person ever to forget to use spoiler tags, NO, it happens.
Do I deserve to be under near permanent attack for making one or two posts that you consider were made too hastily, I don't think so. Under your logic nothing should be posted in the forums until everybody has played the mission, that would mean that nobody should post anything about loot, secrets, objectives, hidden areas or even bugs for at least 2 months after a mission has been released, that is just silly.
Yes I PM'd you saying that I liked your idea of posting your favourite mission by year, that it was a good alternative to Samantha's poll, which you and a few other have criticized because you don't like her idea. I also said that if others added their list of favourite mission by year you may have accidentally come up with a good alternative to Samantha's idea for choosing the best FM ever. How you can describe a compliment as offensive is beyond me, and even more bizarrely how you can extrapolate that into thinking that I was implying that every other one of your posts are bad, well I'll let other make up their minds as to that logic.
I am now done with this thread.
Last edited by fortuni; 24th Mar 2022 at 11:35.
My T1/T2 favourites of these years*
1999: Shadow of Lord Rothchest
2000: Waterlogged
2001: Airship
2002: Eastwater Bank
2003: Burrick's Head Inn
2004: Midday Escape
2005: Turn of The Tide
2006: Rebellion of the Builder
2007: Seven Sisters, The
2008: Mission X
2009: Tales from the Cleft: Vandal
2010: Tales from the Cleft: Ladytaker
2011: Rustler
2012: Black frog, The
2013: Sinkhole, The
2014: Lost in the Far Edges
2015: Gems of Provenance
2016: Shoes and dresses
2017: Godbreaker
2018: Whistling of the Gears
2019: Compulsory Egress
2020: Into the Odd
2021: The Sunken Temple of Dielya
*also, years like 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2018 and 2020 were hard, because there were too many great missions for me to chose from,
while 2011, 2016 and 2019 were hard, because I hardly found anything that I REALLY enjoyed back then, but hey, it is a matter of taste.
Galaer, I see that you two seem to have a problem, which maybe should be discussed via pm instead of the thread here.
And I also do understand your problem with him being impatient and posting things way too early. But you always have to be aware that this is also just your opinion. Others might join your opinion, but others dont. There are also people out there that enjoy having a walkthrough at hand right away or a list of secrets or what ever. How it is handled in the future (using spoiler tags, not posting before 6 weeks, pming instead of posting in the thread, etc.) can be discussed naturally.
I think the bigger problem is that you tend to complain more than actually acknowledge things. This is seriously the first time that I saw you making a compliment ("Yes fortuni is making a bloody good job with making walkthroughs..") and fortuni might have been triggered by this negative attitude. Again, itīs sth. you two should discuss in PM, maybe you can come to a solution.
Donīt fight, make love
Last edited by Samantha1; 24th Mar 2022 at 11:33.
You said that I made my list by accident. No, it wasn't made by accident. I was thinking extra 24 hours before I made this thread. And I did everything to not interrupt (here in this thread) poll system created by Samantha1 that you also helped with. And the first thing you do you add this word into your PM, which sounds that you think very lowly about me.
A little update to my list. 2022 is over, so I need to choose my favorite mission. For me this was very close fight between House of Architect and Sword of Stones. Both missions are mostly easy, though have harder moments. House of Architect has very unique decoration and I often stopped just to look on it. Sword of Stones has my favorite type of secrets (based on exploration instead of tiny switches), it looks good and it's big. So this ended as confrontation between extra areas: ruins from HoA vs portals from SoS. Ruins looked gigantic and I liked it plus dodging fire shadows is quite challenging with some of them having random patrol routes. Portals though looked underdeveloped. Dark zone was probably the best. Other portals had one idea that was only used once and never used again (fire, air, water zones) or were bland (earth zone). Because of that I chose House of Architect as my favorite mission of the year.
Also my favorite mission of 2015 changed. Previously it was Religious Conflict, but I changed to House of Locked Secrets. I have a lot of problems with TDM and this mission minimize them. It's challenging, it looks great, has great atmosphere and great story. It reminds me one of my other favorites - Rowena's Curse.
Glad you liked HotA, Galaer. Thank you. I'll give some of these other maps a try.
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