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  1. #1
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    UFO's

    So the US government released a report on supposed effects of UFO encounters on humans.

    The report describes 42 cases from medical files and 300 "unpublished" cases where humans sustained injuries after alleged encounters with "anomalous vehicles," which include UFOs. In some cases, humans showed burn injuries or other conditions related to electromagnetic radiation, the report said — some of them appearing to have been inflicted by "energy related propulsion systems." The report also noted cases of brain damage, nerve damage, heart palpitations and headaches related to anomalous vehicle encounters.

    It is unclear what kind of vetting process, if any, the AATIP used to investigate these alleged cases. The Sun has yet to share the full contents of the requested reports.

    The report also includes a list of alleged biological effects of UFO sightings on human observers between 1873 and 1994, compiled by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) — a civilian non-profit group that studies reported UFO sightings. The reported effects of UFO encounters include "unaccounted for pregnancy," "apparent abduction," paralysis, and experiences of perceived telepathy, teleportation and levitation.

    The report concludes that there is sufficient evidence "to support a hypothesis that some advanced systems are already deployed, and opaque to full US understandings.
    "

    I think it's possible we're dealing with secret government projects, going as far as advanced space technology they haven't yet divulged to the public. NASA is notorious for cutting their Space Station live feed whenever something unusual shows up (they claim the cameras simply lost signal, but I'm not buying it. I think they know more than they let on).

    Then again, the universe is infinite, and there could indeed be advanced civilizations out there.

    So what's your opinion on the small percentage of UFO sightings or encounters that can't be explained? Secret government technology, aliens, or something else?

  2. #2
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    I always like to link this when I come up against the issue of UFOs and such: https://xkcd.com/1235/

    I think that in the absence of incontrovertible evidence, then I'd err on the side of extraordinary claims needing extraordinary evidence.
    Add in a dash of Ockham's razor - what is more likely, that flawed human observation and memory are attributed to an existing cultural phenomenon (alien visitors), or that there are regular alien visitors who for some reason are immune to standards of evidence collection?

    Unless something compelling shows up, I think I'll defer to the former by default. Ditto ghosts and bigfoot.

    This isn't to say that there aren't secret military projects out there, or that the government wouldn't be happy for people to conflate sightings of military hardware tests with the ramblings of alien abductees...

  3. #3
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    On the one hand, the fact that so many data points have come up with UFO and not identified alien flying object is pretty damning, statistically speaking.

    On the other hand, there are some gobstopping ideas that respected physicists are giving serious credence to like the multiverse, parallel universes, and the holographic principle that are unimaginably weirder than anybody could have, um, imagined if they weren't backed into it by just as many data points supporting them. For that matter even vanilla quantum theory is still pretty nuts 100 years since its discovery.

    Take the multiverse (part of inflation, which already has a lot of support; more than parallel universes): It implies that the entire history of this universe will (if it hasn't already) play out an infinite number of times, as well as every conceivable variation at the quantum level. If you can imagine some possibility that's physically possible to arrive at from a Big Bang, then the pidgeon hole principle alone assures that it must be manifested somewhere. And the writing on the wall is also that the multiverses are as "nearby" to us as objects in our own universe.

    On that note, I listened to Lenny Susskind, top-shelf physics guy, say recently that the closer you look at particles (originally he was talking about particles smeared out on the event horizon of black holes, but I believe he ended up talking about any particles anywhere), the larger they become until they engulf the entire universe across its boundary infinitely far away. Somebody was trying to correct him, as if he meant to say they engulfed the entire event horizon, but he clarified that he meant engulf the entire universe. You didn't really need the holographic principle for that though. Vanilla quantum mechanics already told us a century ago that the wave function for a single particle fills the space of the entire universe. People still haven't come to terms with the reality of that. They also didn't come to terms with the math telling them that things like black holes and anti-matter were real, but then we discovered them and the math was right all along.

    I think what it means is that, if particles are all strings, one for each field, and not only for our universe but all universes, they're all vibrating right on top of each other, and will get around to every conceivable possibility eventually.

    I don't know. It feels like those are pretty incredible conclusions to discover, and chairs of physics departments at Ivy League schools say things like they're more likely true than not. That's why I find quantum mysticism or the kind of mysticism around UFOs kind of funny. Aside from their empirical basis being kind of shaky, they're often kind of bland theories compared to what's probably actually true about our universe. It's like missing the crazy forest for the duller trees.

    More to the major punchline though, I think the first other intelligent species that humans will come into contact with will be AI, I have a feeling it's coming sooner than people think, like (I'm speculating) in our lifetimes; and I think it will have an impact on humanity that will be just as big and paradigm shattering as contact with aliens would be. I know there's a history of over-optimism on this, and you could say this will be another flop... but computers have already reached a level that's changing the world in other ways (like photo realism is common now). And if you've looked into some of the recent output of AI, it doesn't feel all that irresponsible to be particularly optimistic this time.

    So I think we do have that to look forward to. It may as well be like UFOs being real. The impact will be just as big.

  4. #4
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    According to The Sun...
    Welp. I'm out.

  5. #5
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    If it can be seen with the eyes, then it can be photographed or filmed.
    We have evidence of moving objects, which cannot be definitively identified. Mapping that to alien visitors without specific evidence of that, is just cultural anchoring.
    All of the speculation about UFOs re multiverses etc should be more of an exercise of matching verified UFO evidence (photos, videos, radar signals, etc.) against specific multiverse hypotheses.
    Else it's just a different branch of mapping the unknown to a preferred idea, via specious reasoning.
    Even the military projects explanation needs something a bit more than "we know UFOs exist and we know secret military projects exist so that's probably it".
    With the prevalence of high-quality cameras and video recorders on mobile devices, we should now be able to take a consistent set of photos/videos that clearly show the same thing and map it to a military project or two.

    The fact that after so many years, we still just have blurry photos & videos, speculation, and anecdotes says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    Add in a dash of Ockham's razor - what is more likely, that flawed human observation and memory are attributed to an existing cultural phenomenon (alien visitors), or that there are regular alien visitors who for some reason are immune to standards of evidence collection?
    I remember seeing a documentary once, where they said that for rare events the was some chance of not capturing it on camera with an excuse such as "I left the lens cap on" but for claimed UFO sightings this jumped up to be 20 times as likely per event. I'm not sure of the source of that but you could see how many UFO sightings there are per year, find some equally infrequent event, then see how many good photos we have of the other event vs UFOs.

    It really does suggest that at least 95% of all UFO claims are BS to start with.
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    UFO design seems to parallel our own.
    To see a 1950s-style UFO today would be very funny and not very credible.

  8. #8
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    I could add to my last (too long) post that some of the most interesting questions I think we could ask about aliens are in astrobiology, what we know they must be like given the kinds of environments they could come from. They almost certainly exist somewhere, which I don't think is even a controversial claim anymore. Some of them I believe would figure out using electromagnetic waves for communication, which have an infinite range at a falloff of 1/distance^2. And I don't think there's too much difference between an alien signal & a literal alien craft visiting the earth. I think it's worth talking about things like that.

    As for UFO reports themselves, filling in an uncertain experience with the most extreme/salient data point is a well known cognitive bias, and I think the statistics speak for themselves. After more than a century: all UFOs & no KAFOs. But like I said, it just means you're not looking at the most important things to get at the heart of the thing. An alien signal is just as radical as a craft sighting.

    Edit: I remember some science show too. I wish I could remember the name of it. What I liked about it is that it didn't just dismiss crackpot theories out of hand. It would actually treat them like valid scientific hypotheses and walk through how you'd actually run experiments, where you could get data, etc. I recall a few of them investigated UFO sightings, abductions, and the like. I liked that approach because you'd get to entertain really out-there ideas and still feel like you were learning legit science while you were at it.
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  9. #9
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    The truth is out there, people.


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    https://www.amazon.com/First-Contact...%20any%20order.

    This guy has some interesting ideas wrapped up in a mostly very readable fiction series.

  11. #11
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    I'd say that the existence of humans predicts the existence of other intelligent life in a large enough universe.
    What seems improbable is whether the frequency of intelligent species allows for any 2 to ever be close enough to know of the other's existence.

    And it is just very striking that with the near-ubiquity of portable, high-def recording equipment, accounts and evidence have not seen a concomitant uptick in frequency and fidelity.

  12. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    What seems improbable is whether the frequency of intelligent species allows for any 2 to ever be close enough to know of the other's existence.
    Distance in time as well as space. Space is vast enough but then you consider that if two things don't coincide in both time and space, they don't meet, and that makes the possible chances of encounter smaller still.

    An alien probe could have passed through our solar system at almost any time before 100 years ago and not picked up any EMF signals from the planet.

    Say there was a billion year old galactic species, and they survey systems regularly. How often would they send probes to a system they already surveyed? If it was every million years then they would have sent 1000 probes through our system. The chance of one having occurred in the last 100 years would be 1/10000. So they could well know there's life here, maybe they collected some samples once. But they'd have no way of predicting that a space-faring civilization would suddenly emerge right now. And our planet could be one of countless non-notable similar planets, with basic life on them.

    Also in the above scenario, we'd expect that the aliens would send another regular probe this way on average in a half million years or so. Sure, we're also sending signals out, but I'm going to guess our signals are gonna be pretty weak and hard to tell from background noise at the distance of light years.

    ---

    The improbability of an ancient space-faring race *just happening* to visit us in the last few thousand years is probably part of the appeal of the "ancient astronaut" theory that posits that the aliens uplifted humanity - it gets rid of the coincidence by saying that the two things are related.
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    Well, I do hope they will never find us. See what happened to native americans when new comers got to their lands with improved technologies...
    They could treat us, earthlings, like cattle (food) or slaves...

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    Or.....


  15. #15
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    I did see one myself back in 2000 or so. I was on the bus with a high school friend of mine one afternoon, heading down this avenue in Montreal, and at one point he points out the window and asks me “What’s that?”. I look, and far over the vacant field on the eastern side of the street is a flat looking, dark brown rectangle (like a giant piece of rusty iron sheet), slowly floating forward, about 40-50 meters off the ground, though unfortunately too far away to make out any details. My first thought was it must have been one of those banners that Cessna planes sometimes drag along, but there were none anywhere. This was before camera phones, but the closest looking one I found is this:



    There was nothing on the news about it, so it was probably something mundane, but to this day I still can't explain it

  16. #16
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    I hate to break it to you, but UFOs don't exist. That's just a portal to another dimension.

  17. #17
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    You're silly. The proportions (1:4:9 - “How obvious, now, was that mathematical ratio of its sides, the quadratic sequence 1:4:9! And how naive to have imagined that the series ended there, in only three dimensions!”) and shape already make it clear that it's the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

  18. #18
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    Huh. I missed this. I've never known what to make of UFO's. Never seen a sky doorway. Me and Kev were laying on the hood of his car one night and noticed a light like any high jet or satellite moving across the sky but it was doing a crenelated pattern. What could move like that we wondered. And so fast for so high. Ninety degree corners? A helicopter? Not that high. About that time it glowed bright orange and shot off into the stratosphere. A trail of light diminishing at impossible speed. So can I rule out that we aren't a farmed out species with absentee caretakers? No. Can I rule out that we are being watched because we are batshit crazy and violent? Also no.

  19. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azaran View Post
    I did see one myself back in 2000 or so. I was on the bus with a high school friend of mine one afternoon, heading down this avenue in Montreal, and at one point he points out the window and asks me “What’s that?”. I look, and far over the vacant field on the eastern side of the street is a flat looking, dark brown rectangle (like a giant piece of rusty iron sheet), slowly floating forward, about 40-50 meters off the ground, though unfortunately too far away to make out any details. My first thought was it must have been one of those banners that Cessna planes sometimes drag along, but there were none anywhere. This was before camera phones, but the closest looking one I found is this:



    There was nothing on the news about it, so it was probably something mundane, but to this day I still can't explain it

    Better focus would reveal that you are looking at an advertising banner probably trailing behind a small airplane that is out of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxleader View Post
    Better focus would reveal that you are looking at an advertising banner probably trailing behind a small airplane that is out of view.
    Yeah that was my only theory. I couldn't see a plane but maybe it was far away or something. Still looked extremely weird

  21. #21
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    Could also be a wind sock tethered to the nearby tower.

  22. #22
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    Recent US government hearing

    During the hearing at the House Intelligence Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation Subcommittee, top Pentagon intelligence official Ronald Moultrie said that through "rigorous" analysis, most - but not all - UAPs can be identified.

    "Any object we encounter can likely be isolated, characterised, identified and, if necessary, mitigated," Mr Moultrie said.

    A small number of incidents, however, still have no explanation. In one such incident in 2004, fighter pilots operating from an aircraft carrier in the Pacific encountered an object that seemed to have descended tens of thousands of feet before stopping and hovering.

    In another incident, shown publicly for the first time on Tuesday, an object can be seen on camera flying past a US Navy fighter jet. The object remains unexplained.

    "There are a small handful [of events] in which there are flight characteristics or signature management that we can't explain with the data we have available," said Scott Bray, the deputy director of naval intelligence. "Those are obviously the ones that are of most interest to us."

    Mr Bray also sought to dispel the notion that UAPs might be extraterrestrial aliens, noting that no organic or inorganic material or unexplainable wreckage has ever been recovered, and no attempts have been made at communicating with the objects.

    "We have detected no eliminations within the UAP task force that...would suggest it's anything non-terrestrial in origin," he said.
    Lawmakers at the hearing expressed concern that any unexplained aerial phenomenon might be a threat to national security.

    Rick Crawford, an Arkansas Republican, said that a failure to identify potential threats was "tantamount to intelligence failure that we certainly want to avoid".

    "It's not about finding alien spacecraft," he added.

    In the cases of objects with unexplainable propulsion, Mr Bray said that the US is "not aware" of any potential adversaries with such technologies. Following the public hearing, the committee closed its doors for a private classified session with lawmakers.

  23. #23
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    Things have been heating up
    . Wouldn't surprise me if this is secret advanced military tech, but I'm not entirely ruling out aliens.


    On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.

    “I almost hit one of those damn things!” the flight leader, still shaken by the incident, told us shortly after in the pilots’ ready room. We all knew exactly what he meant. “Those damn things” had been plaguing us for the previous eight months.

    I joined the U.S. Navy in 2009 and underwent years of rigorous training as a pilot. Specifically, we are trained to be expert observers in identifying aircraft with our sensors and our own eyes. It’s our job to know what’s in our operating area. That’s why, in 2014, after upgrades were made to our radar system, our squadron made a startling discovery: There were unknown objects in our airspace.

    Initially, the objects were showing up on our newly upgraded radars and we assumed they were “ghosts in the machine,” or software glitches. But then we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple surveillance systems, including infrared sensors that detected heat signatures. Then came the hair-raising near misses that required us to take evasive action.

    These were no mere balloons. The unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) accelerated at speeds up to Mach 1, the speed of sound. They could hold their position, appearing motionless, despite Category 4 hurricane-force winds of 120 knots. They did not have any visible means of lift, control surfaces or propulsion — in other words nothing that resembled normal aircraft with wings, flaps or engines. And they outlasted our fighter jets, operating continuously throughout the day. I am a formally trained engineer, but the technology they demonstrated defied my understanding.

    After that near-miss, we had no choice but to submit a safety report, hoping that something could be done before it was too late. But there was no official acknowledgement of what we experienced and no further mechanism to report the sightings — even as other aircrew flying along the East coast quietly began sharing similar experiences. Our only option was to cancel or move our training, as the UAP continued to maneuver in our vicinity unchecked.

    Nearly a decade later we still don’t know what they were.

    When I retired from the Navy in 2019, I was the first active-duty pilot to come forward publicly and testify to Congress. In the years since, there has been some notable coverage of the encounters and Congress has taken some action to force the military and intelligence agencies to do much more to get to the bottom of these mysteries.

    But there has not been anything near the level of public and official attention that has been paid to the recent shoot downs of a Chinese spy balloon and the three other unknown objects that were likely research balloons.

    And that’s a problem.

    Advanced objects demonstrating cutting-edge technology that we cannot explain are routinely flying over our military bases or entering restricted airspace.

    “UAP events continue to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity,” the Director of National Intelligence reported last month, citing 247 new reports over the last 17 months. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion.”

    The Navy has also officially acknowledged 11 near misses with UAP that required evasive action and triggered mandatory safety reports between 2004 and 2021. Advanced UAP also pose a growing safety hazard to commercial airliners. Last May, the Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert after a passenger aircraft flying over West Virginia experienced a rare failure of two major systems while passing underneath what appeared to be a UAP.

    One thing we do know is these craft aren’t part of some classified U.S. project. “We were quite confident that was not the explanation,” Scott Bray, the deputy director of the Office of Naval Intelligence, testified before Congress last year.

    Florida Sen. Marco Rubio confirmed in a recent interview that whatever the origin of these objects it is not the U.S. military. “We have things flying over our military bases and places where we’re conducting military exercises and we don’t know what it is and it isn’t ours,” said Rubio, who is vice chair of the Intelligence Committee.

    President Joe Biden rightly points out the real national security and aviation safety risks, from “foreign intelligence collection” to “hazard to civilian air traffic,” that arise from low-tech “balloon-like” entities. I applaud his new order to create an interagency UAP taskforce and a government-wide effort to address unidentified objects, and his proposal to make sure all aerial craft are registered and identifiable according to a global standard is good common-sense.

    However, what the president did not address during his press conference Feb. 16 were the UAP that exhibit advanced performance capabilities. Where is the transparency and urgency from the administration and Congress to investigate highly advanced objects in restricted airspace that our military cannot explain? How will this new taskforce be more effective than existing efforts if we are not being clear and direct about the scope and nature of advanced UAP?

    The American public must demand accountability. We need to understand what is in our skies — period.

    In the coming days, I will launch Americans for Safe Aerospace (ASA), a new advocacy organization for aerospace safety and national security. ASA will support pilots and other aerospace professionals who are reporting UAP. Our goal is to demand more disclosure from our public officials about this significant safety and national security problem. We will provide credible voices, public education, grassroots activism and lobbying on Capitol Hill to get answers about UAP.

    President Biden needs to address this issue as transparently as possible. The White House should not conflate the low-tech objects that were recently shot down with unexplained high-tech, advanced objects witnessed by pilots. Our government needs to admit that it is possible another country has developed game-changing technology. We need to urgently address this threat by bringing together the best minds in our military, intelligence, science and tech sectors. If advanced UAP are not foreign drones, then we absolutely need a robust scientific inquiry into this mystery. Obfuscation and denial are a recipe for more conspiracy theories and greater distrust that stymie our search for the truth.

    We need a coordinated, data-driven response that unites the public and private sectors. The North American Aerospace Defense Command, the U.S. Space Force and a host of other military and civilian agencies need to be marshaled in support of a much more aggressive and vigilant effort, along with our scientific community and private industry.

    Right now, the pieces of the UAP puzzle are scattered across silos in the military, government and the private sector. We need to integrate and analyze these massive data sets with new methods like AI. We also need to make this data available to the best scientists outside of government.

    We have strong supporters of more data sharing. Sen. Rubio has suggested the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was set up by Congress last year, share its data on unidentified objects with academic institutions and civilian scientific organizations. The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics and the Galileo Project at Harvard, tech startups like Enigma Labs, and traditional defense contractors could all play a role.

    Unfortunately, all UAP reports and videos are classified, meaning active-duty pilots cannot come forward publicly and FOIA requests are denied. These are two major steps backwards for transparency, but they can be mitigated with data-sharing.

    I am impressed by the recent whistleblower protections enacted last year to encourage more pilots and others to come forward, and I support the fresh push by Rubio and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) for full funding of AARO. Given the stakes, Congress also needs to fund grants for more scientific inquiry of UAP.

    Above all, we need to listen to pilots. Military and civilian pilots provide critical, first-hand insights into advanced UAP. Right now, the stigma attached to reporting UAP is still too strong. Since I came forward about UAP in 2019, only one other pilot from my squadron has gone public. Commercial pilots also face significant risks to their careers for doing so.

    New rules are needed to require civilian pilots to report UAP, protect the pilots from retribution, and a process must be established for investigating their reports. Derision or denial over the unknown is unacceptable. This is a time for curiosity.

    If the phenomena I witnessed with my own eyes turns out to be foreign drones, they pose an urgent threat to national security and airspace safety. If they are something else, it must be a scientific priority to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azaran View Post
    I did see one myself back in 2000 or so. I was on the bus with a high school friend of mine one afternoon, heading down this avenue in Montreal, and at one point he points out the window and asks me “What’s that?”. I look, and far over the vacant field on the eastern side of the street is a flat looking, dark brown rectangle (like a giant piece of rusty iron sheet), slowly floating forward, about 40-50 meters off the ground, though unfortunately too far away to make out any details. My first thought was it must have been one of those banners that Cessna planes sometimes drag along, but there were none anywhere. This was before camera phones, but the closest looking one I found is this:



    There was nothing on the news about it, so it was probably something mundane, but to this day I still can't explain it
    I know a wagon glitch when I see one. Compare that to this:

    Not the same shape you say? Well it's obviously a wagon without the wheels. And the horse. But don't tell me that ain't a wagon glitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faetal View Post
    I always like to link this when I come up against the issue of UFOs and such: https://xkcd.com/1235/
    There's an interesting oversight with that comic, in that it doesn't consider that hypothetical aliens who wish to study humanity undetected would probably be aware of phone cameras and change their behaviour accordingly - I mean that's what we'd do in their place, right? So they could be scaling back their operations, shifting to longer-range observation, or listening to see if there's a cellphone talking to a tower before doing their inscrutable alien things. We could even hypothesize a decrease in photographs of UFOs as the expected result, since the presence of a cellphone would presumably be easier for aliens to detect than the film- and cassette-based cameras they've partially displaced.

    Like, it still doesn't fare well against Occam's razor and it's a bit iffy as far as falsifiability goes, but it's a fun thought experiment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azaran View Post


    There was nothing on the news about it, so it was probably something mundane, but to this day I still can't explain it
    Looks like a puddle jumper to me

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