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  1. #26
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    Sorry to hear about the troubles your mother in law is facing, Tocky.
    That's depressing that they didn't catch it earlier.
    I really hope for the best.

    You shouldn't beat yourself up about doing the right thing though.
    I think if you follow the stream, you're still part of the action.
    I remember following the streams for one of the Mars rover landings and when they first turned on the LHC and feeling like I was part of this global event with everyone else around the world. It's the spirit of the thing that's really at the heart of it, all things told. Anyway, taking it in that spirit may help you still feel good about it.

    I also noticed that NASA put out a trailer for this mission.
    It's probably good to post it here for the record.


  2. #27
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    Location: Point Nemo
    Going back to the moon seems like a colossal waste of resources. What will we gain from tromping around and leaving footprints in the moon dust? Going to the moon in the first place kind of pisses me off because we humans can't just leave anything alone without leaving behind trash. Between beach parties and moon landings humans are the worst.

  3. #28
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    Registered: Sep 2006
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    Tocky, that's awful and I'm sorry. It's shit timing, but that's the story of life. Even if you're not physically able to be in close proximity to the launch, it doesn't matter. You're still part of it, wherever you are.

    That might seem like a poor consolation prize, but I think it's far more important to do the right thing while you have the time to do it, and that's the only thing that counts in the end.

  4. #29
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    Location: Under your fingernails.
    *Hugs Tocky*

  5. #30
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    Okay folks, if you happen to be around, this launch is happening in about 1.5 hours from the time of this post.

    Let's watch this thing!

    To the Moon!!


  6. #31
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    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Yes thanks to Tocky I'm watching. I probably wouldn't have known otherwise.
    At the same time I'm hoping things are as well as can be in Tocky's current situation. Good luck!

  7. #32
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    Also watching. Launch delayed. Current ETA: T MINUS 40 MINUTES!

    Not sure what T MINUS MEANS! BUT IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE IM IN ALIEN! WOO! SPACE!

  8. #33
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    PSA, the launch was aborted for today.
    The next chance is Sept. 2.
    We'll get there eventually!

  9. #34
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    No I don't know what T means either. It seems Launch has been scrubbed.
    Earliest next launch day would be this coming Friday Sept 2nd.

    Edit. T=Take Off perhaps?
    Oh well I suppose this means I'll have to do what I was delaying doing, today.
    Last edited by Aged Raver; 29th Aug 2022 at 09:47.

  10. #35
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    "T" is "time". XD

    It's like you're looking at any time-dependent graph. The x-axis is usually the time variable labeled T. So they use that for just a normal timeline for their schedule, and say the launch is at, e.g., "t = 3pm", then 10 minutes before that will be t minus 10 minutes.

    The catch is--what I was hearing from one of the live streamers--they may push the launch after the scheduled time, which almost happened this time because of some leak and temperature issue they were having. In that case they'd still use the "T minus __" for the original scheduled time, and as soon as it went over they'd start saying "T plus __", but then they'd also use "L minus __" (L for launch) for the actual launch time (as rescheduled). We were almost in that position of needing to look at the "L minus __" time, but the window for the launch was only 2 hours long, and they had to confirm everything was okay I think within 40 minutes inside that window, and they didn't think they could confirm it within that time, so the chief decided to scrub it for today.

    And since the launch got scrubbed anyway, I guess this is all gratuitous detail now. But interesting anyway.

  11. #36
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    It feels strange to think we had manned moon mission and yet now cant even get rocket off.

  12. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigLick View Post
    It feels strange to think we had manned moon mission and yet now cant even get rocket off.
    ...Apollo 1 was worse. Much, much worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

    Delays are pretty routine.

    Tocky, any chance you'll make it to the next scheduled try? XD

  13. #38
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    I appreciate all the warm responses. I could argue with MXleader about all we have learned including tech like MRI and such from the missions but why? You either understand all we have gotten out of the space program or not. Compare it to what we get out of war and the tons of money we put into that.

    Well... WE WENT. When we got to the hospital Saturday my mom-in-law was alert and her old self. They were even talking about letting her go home that evening maybe. So we sat around talking with Rena's sisters and nieces and, when it came up about our trip, we explained we weren't' going. She was horrified. She held my hand and looked me in the eyes and begged me please not to let her be the reason we cancelled. Well, I already had cancelled our reservations, but she was pleading with me. I understood. I would be the same way if it were me. Still, I tried a few halfhearted attempts about we didn't need to and we could see the next one and then I realized she didn't want it on her conscience. It would be best just to go.

    So it was seat of the pants travel like the old days. We were already packed. I figured we could still make the 12 hour or so drive, though it would put us late at night and no reserved room, we could still get some nearby town room. With some hugs and tears we took off. That is one hard drive. Birmingham, Atlanta, and Macon were white knuckled interstate twisty turny nightmares. And then came Savannah. We rolled in about 11:00 that night. I pictured a genteel southern city with stately mansions and Spanish moss. Not so.

    Hwy 16 took us straight to crackhead city. The moss was on the trees in the median, but three out of four houses were abandoned husks and nothing stately about them, just old. We had to get out of there so I went back to 95 to search out other entrances with hotels. The first exit south had plenty so I pulled into one and noticed a person passed out on the sidewalk near the door. Heedless, I went inside. $160 a night with a cash deposit of fifty in case of damages up front. WTF? This was like a Days Inn not the Hilton. And sketchy. I collected my ID and went to the one next door. This one had a sleeping bum in the only open parking spot near the door.

    I went to another. No Bums but I think I witnessed a drug deal on my way in. I saw the condition of the lobby and turned right around. The next one seemed fairly clean. I asked the guy behind the counter about a room and he gave me a look like I was crazy and said he had to get some girl a pillow and left. There was a bar off the lobby, and I saw some woman with arm and neck tattoos take a guy by the hand and lead him past. I left and went across the interstate hoping for better. Also I needed gas.

    At the station I asked the counter lady if any of the hotels behind it were worth staying in. She flat out stated those were full of druggies but the two across the road might be okay. I was tired and angry. On the way to the pump some guy shambled out from behind a car and came toward me. I stopped and stared at him. He mumbled something and staggered back the way he came. Across the road at the first hotel there was a guy walking fast in circles in the lot talking unintelligibly. I drove to the other hotel. At this point I was just checking things out for the laughs. I thought about this one. Only one group in the parking lot and some shirtless guy smoking near the lobby door. Nah.

    We drove forty miles to the next town laughing about what a hell hole we just escaped. Dardenelle or something like that. It had two hotels. At the first one was a guy sitting splay legged and with his head down on the curb. Nope. Didn't even slow down. Across the way was a hotel with one windowless white van in the lot. I got out and pulled on the lobby door and it was locked. A lady peeked out the night window for just a second so I came to it and asked if there were any rooms. There must have been 99 left except for van guys. She just stared at her computer screen tapping away. She looked normal and healthy, young, but weirded out. I asked again. She kept tapping. I asked was she okay. No response. I took a look at the U shape of stacked rooms. The place must have been built in the 60's. I got creeped. "Hey miss, we would like a room if it's okay." Only, I no longer wanted one. She never took her eyes from the screen or stopped tapping. I listened to hear if they were dot dot dot- dash dash dash- dot dot dot. They weren't. I didn't see anyone else in the room and could see under the counter even from my side view. I leaned as far as I could against the glass and couldn't see anyone hiding against her side of the wall. I had no idea. "Just blink if you need help", I said softly. No response. No blink. I left wondering if I should laugh or call the police.

    The next town down was the entrance to St. Simon Island. They had a reasonable room with a courteous and professional manager... except there was a clear plastic sheet that I had to pass my card through at the join. Also I couldn't understand a word he said. The young Spanish group dressed in tuxes and black dresses had no trouble before me and I shouldn't have either as I often deal with Mexican folks at my work. Plus, he looked Japanese. I asked about the lighthouse hours and distance and I think he started giving me directions. No way to be sure. I just nodded and smiled. It was a nice clean new room.

    More later.

  14. #39
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    Registered: Jun 2019
    Location: Deepest Sussex, England
    Well that's really good news about your Mum-in-Law.
    But the trip you describe (so far) sounds really scary.
    I read the latest idea for a launch is this Saturday.
    I imagine you'll be going.

  15. #40
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    Registered: Aug 2004
    Everything Tocky does turns into an adventure.

    Pretty sure "Savannah" is a stripper name.

    I'm glad your mother-in-law was alright.

  16. #41
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    Location: Point Nemo
    Quote Originally Posted by Tocky View Post
    I appreciate all the warm responses. I could argue with MXleader about all we have learned including tech like MRI and such from the missions but why? You either understand all we have gotten out of the space program or not. Compare it to what we get out of war and the tons of money we put into that.
    I don't have a problem with the space program in general but I just don't see what going back to the moon is going to do for anyone. I mean I would totally get a kick out of watching a rocket launch in person. I guess after thinking about it the chance to inspect all the stuff left behind decade ago could prove invaluable for long term space travel. Maybe a semi-permanent station on the moon would provide useful data for living on a round thing with gravity different from earth ... Baby steps to living on Mars maybe. But I have my doubts about gaining any additional useful data from moon material.

  17. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by mxleader View Post
    Baby steps to living on Mars maybe.
    This is exactly the purpose of these missions, as a preparation for the Mars missions.

    Edit: I should clarify. I think they're stepping stones to crewed missions to Mars in the 2030s/40s, not actual permanent Mars bases just yet.
    Last edited by demagogue; 1st Sep 2022 at 07:47.

  18. #43
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    Aren't they considering harvesting water ice on the moon? Not having to pass Earth's atmosphere to refuel would probably save a lot of effort.

  19. #44
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    Subsurface moon base is a maybe. Life on Mars? Maybe in a couple of centuries.

    Robots are the key to space. So many wasted kilos hoisting meat puppets into hostile territory.

    Especially since the fantasy seems to be escaping the shit show we made of home.

  20. #45
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    Location: In the flesh.
    They are considering assembling the rocket to Mars and launching it from there, and yes, separating the oxygen and hydrogen could fuel it.

    We woke early, likely extra early, as we had lost an hour on the way from central standard to eastern. I wasn't interested in the lighthouse right then, only getting a room near New Smyrna Beach because I had spent so much time plotting to get to Playalinda beach (which is only around three miles from the launch pad) from there. At the Florida visitors center came our first hint of trouble. The folks there said they thought it was closed for the launch. Surely not. Once we got to New Smyrna we heard that it was a nude beach so watch for floppy old bits waggling about. The Islander resort had no available rooms after our cancellation, as I figured, so we went searching. One hotel over was the Best Western also right on the beach. We literally got the last room. The couple behind us had to go elsewhere.

    But since we had to wait for the room to be cleaned, I wanted a dry run for the next day and a steak. Everything was just as I had searched it on google maps, so I knew every turn. The road was not labeled except for a sign reading Canaveral National Seashore. Perfect. Less chance of there being a lot of people there tomorrow. On the way we stopped to help a tortoise cross the road. One six times the size of the ones from my area. I couldn't wait to check the beach out and take some pics of Artemis on the pad. A police cruiser was parked across the road and a disgusted man was gesturing angrily as he turned to go back the way he had come. Why couldn't we pass? The officer had no idea. On the way back we had to stop as another fellow helped a tortoise across the road. It looked like the same tortoise.

    Nothing to do but find another close location. Maybe NASA could tell us something so we went to Kennedy Space Center just as it was closing. No going in but there was an information booth and gift shop open. The information lady said that there were no tickets for the stands left but perhaps we could see it along the causeway with the rest of the hundred thousand. Why not Playalinda? There is a five mile cordon in case of a blast radius. I made a joke about taking my chances and she let me know they took that very seriously and I would go to jail.

    So we scouted locations. People were everywhere. Campers alongside the roads. Some local entrepreneurs had made a sign and were charging $40 bucks for a spot along the road bank at the inlet and people were paying it. The state owns that. I imagine those guys quietly folded those signs and slipped away when police passed by. We settled on A Max Brewer Parkway at the causeway bridge. There is a spot at the beginning of it that has a clear view and what's a few thousand more feet just to get trapped in the crowd? Across the way was a Sand Point Park aptly named with plenty of parking. The new plan was in place. We would still outsmart the crowds. Nothing could go wrong.

    More later.

  21. #46
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    Man, so glad you ended up going Tocky, that was deflating hearing about the medical emergency.

    So the delay with the weather was lucky I guess?

  22. #47
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    Not so fast there, Cipheron.

    That evening we settled in our room and gathered all the half empty bags of chips and Chex mix from the ride down to take down to the beach to feed the gulls. They were ecstatic. What was one or two within eyesight became twenty or thirty at the rustle of a bag. Sand Pipers and blackbirds came to see the ruckus. They happily fought over the feast on the sand.

    Then I made the mistake of tossing them in the air. The gulls caught on real quick and began snatching them out of the air as they hovered in the ocean breeze. I had seen them follow our boat on the way to Ship Island on our early vacations catching popcorn thrown off the stern. Only they kept flying over my head. I tried to get them to hover more to my left but I was being swarmed. They were really good at catching them right after I threw too. Then came poop on my forearm. Knowing what came next had us dumping the bags and dragging our chairs into the surf.

    It was nice there with the incoming waves on our feet. With a glass of wine it was relaxing to see what the sea would bring us. I picked up a clump of seaweed for a picture. As it was being taken something black wiggled out of it. We took a picture of that too. No idea what it was. Maybe I will post pics of this vacation in the thread I usually post them in. Anyway, it was romantic to watch the waves roll in and some fellow with a throw net cast it just to pull it in for his wife and son to see what he had captured. It made me think of my young family. I worried Rena would be worried about her mother now that things had slowed down so I squeezed her hand. If she was she didn't say. She squeezed back.

    Back inside Rena had no trouble sleeping. I was too excited to sleep. We have often joked using the voice of that kid in the Disney commercial who says that but this time it was true. I watched the Apollo 13 movie on the set in the living area then went to bed to stare at the ceiling. I drifted off about 12 then woke at 2 AM. I had already showered that night and my clothes were all laid out so I put them on and took some things down to the car. At 3 AM we got our wakeup call and the alarm I had set because I didn't trust the young guy at the counter went off. We were out the door twenty minutes later. I noticed several empty spaces in the parking lot.

    At the causeway there was already a steady flow of traffic. The park was nearly full of cars but I found a space. We made it to the place we had staked out earlier and set up our chairs and cooler. Everything worked out. We made friends with the young family next to us and the fellow from Ontario in back of us. People kept pouring in. I watched the chairs for the young family as they went to the park facilities and they the same for when we went. We came back with a wad of greasy bacon a vender was selling. I kept taking pictures of Artemis as the sky lightened. I accidentally dropped my camera and knocked the last section of lens cockeyed. I cursed SOB before I could stop myself. It had happened once before so I knew if I was careful I could pop it back straight. I did. The auto focus still worked.

    I could see a cordon of coast guard boats keeping the civilian ones at bay. There was even a sailboat in the red sunrise and some guy who had paddled out in his kayak. It was picturesque. I bought an Artemis flag a hawker was selling. I couldn't wait to feel the thunder. The humidity was a stagnant weight. I kept looking at the clock on my phone. At around eight a rumor of trouble began to murmur. Someone said the presidents plane was overhead so I took a picture of it. I held on to hope though I noticed some packing up. Then Fox channel 35 out of Orlando began to film a family just down from us and we stayed to hear what was said. Trouble with the engine coolant system. We were background for that segment. I took pictures then too of the news crew. We left just ahead of most of the crowd but it was still a slow shuffle to get back on highway 1.

    I thought I had tamped down my anger and disappointment. Just down the hall from our room at our hotel was the restaurant and we caught it with a few minutes to spare before it closed. Only there was nobody to seat us so we took an open table by the window. The waitress came along and was angered that we had not waited for her. "Oh well, protocol must be obeyed", I said loudly. It was then I realized how angry I was. I apologized and said I had had many a day as she must be having with this crowd. She too made nice and we found our humanity in the stress of the moment. Later she took a picture for us with the view of sea behind. I tipped large. I felt I needed to. The omelets were fantastic and she was just in a bad moment. She told us how to get to the lighthouse across the inlet. She even remembered us the next day and how we liked our breakfast and had the station set to a one that played lesser known songs from the seventies.

    I never did catch the channel 35 segment with us in our large floppy straw hats. Maybe they used another one for the broadcast. I didn't exactly watch it all day. We had things to do.

    More later.
    Last edited by Tocky; 2nd Sep 2022 at 01:07.

  23. #48
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    We spent the rest of that day going to the tallest lighthouse in Florida. It was a nice view but hot getting there and my legs were sore the next day. Some clever enterprising soul had written ICE CREAM atop a shop across the road. It worked. We went. Later we ate at a restaurant in a treetop but the food was awful. The haddock like sun dried fish sticks. The shrimp like breaded leftovers. We took it to the gulls and had more fun that way.

    The next morning I woke early and got everything together for the grueling drive home. I will see the launch like the rest of you. I'm glad I went but I could not stay at a time like this. We did drop by that St. Simons lighthouse. A really nice area. I doubt we ever stop by again though. If we go for Artemis two or three it will be flying. It's too hard of a drive. I hope todays launch goes well. My hopes for us go with it.

    The day after we got back my wife and sister in law were with their mom when they noticed she wasn't breathing. They had to perform CPR (Amy is a nurse) and call an ambulance. Something about laying down cuts her air off. She had died and was brought back by the CPR the ambulance crew said. She is back in the hospital now. I fear this is going to be a hard fight.

  24. #49
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    Maybe best to post these here after all.


    Maybe not the best of shots or editing. The resize on Imgur is wonky now.



    The bump to the left of the arrow sign.



    It's the tiny light on the horizon.





    Kamala was actually on it.



    I had so wanted to have shots of the takeoff. Sigh.

  25. #50
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    This is a fairly comprehensive explanation of the building of Artemis 1 and the history of the various pieces. I like it because it includes the whys and functions of the parts and the tests being done as well.



    I know it's been a disappointment as far as taking off so far but it's a bit more understandable after this video. This isn't like the old solid rocket fuel Apollo first section, which was less complicated, but wouldn't be practical for a launch from the moon one day.

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