Thief 5 Teaser

[New Horizon]

Well, that is another problem because Thief 2014 was called Thief 4 by pretty much everyone except the devs themselves, so if you make actual Thief 4, it would be extremely confusing and would collide with everyone's already ingrained thoughts. What do you mean Thief 4 is coming out? It came out in 2014 - is what would an average gamer say. That's hell for marketing. But then if you make another Thief, you definitely want to have a follow-up on the trilogy, not the reboot, so you can't call it Thief 5 either, it's not a sequel to (unofficial) 4. I mean, the devs and the publisher really fucked it up with the whole reboot but not really thing.

The next Thief would have to be named Thief: something, like with God of War: Ragnarok. It's technically GoW5, but also GoW2 based on their own new vision as to what that series should be. Hence you won't see God of War title with any number ever again. The same would happen to Thief, if it was to be made. Things like that is why I think the series won't be resurrected ever again. Too much stuff that went wrong, and too much stuff that is too difficult to execute and won't bring big returns. Fanmissions are more than enough for me, so I don't mind.

The dev team did call it Thief 4 when the plan was to be a direct sequel. They had a logo and website thief4.com but the team had a lot of creative turnover, so the final game was not what they originally started out with.

[downwinder]

thief 2014 took place in a alt universe, nothing to do with thief 1-3 as far as story

and yes i remember the thi4f logo, but new horizon said it best above

[Cigam]

thief 2014 took place in a alt universe, nothing to do with thief 1-3 as far as story

Well I think that the in-game evidence says otherwise. The Thief 2014 universe has a back history of some of the same specific characters and events, and even ruins of the exact same buildings that we visited in the earlier games.

Not to mention the same themes of the City having "cycles" of being built over itself. In Thief 2014 there is the part where Garrett is travelling deep underground, sees the different layers of architectural ruins and comments 'Each city built upon the bones of the last. If they could talk, I wonder what they'd say'. Which continues the theme of that guard discussion in Thief DS about how no-one knows how old the city is, how many times it has been built over, not the Hammerites, not anyone.

Everything points towards this being set in the future of the previous games, with this being a new cycle of the city that was built over the previous one we knew.

I suspect that you only don't want to believe that it is the same universe because a certain doll is not mentioned

[downwinder]

^alt universe, it just how they did it, but not connected to thief 1-3 universe

thief 2014 is set 200 years ahead of thief series in a alt universe, even with names the same and building it not the same universe as we all know of garrett

but of course i see all your points but as far as cannon thief 2014 is not the same as thief 1-3

retelling of thief basically

and dewdrop was never part of any of my thoughts as thief 3 did not have dewdrop and i was ok with that,i would never let dewdrop make me change thief cannon

[zomfg1234]

The dev team did call it Thief 4 when the plan was to be a direct sequel. They had a logo and website thief4.com but the team had a lot of creative turnover, so the final game was not what they originally started out with.

I get that, they did intend for it to be a direct sequel, I think the whole reboot thing came very late actually, near the very end, because if you remember they contacted Stephen Russell to reprise Garrett. They probably decided to spin it as something other than a sequel only after the changes and problems they encountered (remember that it had a lot of development issues and staff changes).

[Ricebug]

With all of the crap that's being peddled today, anything that keeps our beloved protagonist in the race is worth the studio's investiture, misguided though they may be.

Why does a game that should have gone extinct ten years after its launch still attract an almost religious devotion? And why did Thief 4 fail to maintain that same fervor? (Actually, sales did better than expected when it launched.) I think it boils down to that one unquantifiable that cannot be represented on a PowerPoint slide: heart. The old Thief games had heart aplenty without regard for the bottom line, while the newer game, with all of its polish, failed its fanbase, thanks to Eidos board of directors' focus on profit.

The predatory greed that drives the industry beast will guarantee more of the same, unfortunately.

[demagogue]

I'd be wary of a Thief 5 either reboot or coming off of Thief 4.

One thing I'd be curious to see, if done properly, is if they made a remake of the original Thief TDP and it were done very atmospherically. They did that with Tomb Raider Anniversary and now with System Shock, and I'm sure there are some other examples I'm not thinking of right now. Those may not be the best examples of how to remake an old game. But if they remade TDP with graphics and style sort of in line with Thief 4 except updated to today, I think it could be good. The one nice thing I can say about Thief 4 is it had some good aesthetics and art style in places.

[Samantha1]

I agree with this. If they were to make a remake of TDP and I mean 1:1 remake - no changes of the story, characters, relationships or anything, only an improved quality in graphics and atmoshpere - I´d love to play that.
As you said thief 4 has some really good asthetics. There are also great wallpapers from it available. I use one as my background on pc and pretend that its not from the thief reboot but from the original

[weylfar]

I would prefer completely new plotline in series of games with rounded story.

[demagogue]

Yes, that'd be great too, but in that case it doesn't even need to be Thief then. Just a new medieval urban fantasy game.

[Shadowcat]

At this point I'd expect Beyond Good and Evil 2 to come out before Thief 5.

Huh, that never got released?

Every major stealth game today focuses more on action, and what Thief is known for: great audio propagation, very little focus on combat, extremely immersive world, etc. That is not how games are made today.

Discounting LGS themselves, that also wasn't how games were made before Thief either. The Dark Project turned heads because it was so different to the cookie-cutter shooters that dominated the first-person genre of the time (and of course because it was brilliant). I'm sure a modern equivalent would be seen as a big risk, but that was true of the original game as well.

If every major game is focused on the same things, eventually the time will be right for another brilliant game which goes against the grain.

[Starker]

Huh, that never got released?

It's been in development hell for at least 15 years and counting by now.

[TheRealSlimGarrett]

Am I the only person who cannot see any reference to a new game in the video? It's just cuts from T4.

[Samantha1]

Every game mentioned in this video has just cutscenes from the previous game. If I recall correct it was also somewhere stated in the description or comments.