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Thread: Innocent People in the Middle East, Victimized by Fascist Theocrats

  1. #526
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Mossad Time Machine
    Civilians die in war. Every war. Even if I was as willing as some to take Hamas's casualty figures at face value, it is a fact that minors constitute 47% of the Gaza population, and it would be astonishing if they did not feature among the deceased. Especially considering that Hamas both recruits child soldiers en masse and deliberately puts children in harm's way for propaganda purposes.

    But for the sake of argument, let us take the Gazan death numbers at face value. Adult males constitute 26% of the population of Gaza. However Gaza's own figures from three different sources, for the three months between April and August 2024, show that adult males constitute between 45% and 64% of fatalities. If this isn't proof that targeting is discriminate, I don't know what is.

  2. #527
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    Registered: May 2004
    In the entire 3 years in Ukraine, Russia has killed hundreds of children in cowardly attacks on civilian infrastructure, entire towns have been razed to the ground. Russia has bombed schools, hospitals, train stations, residential buildings, and tortured civilians and captured combatants alike. Yet the destruction and devastation in Gaza absolutely dwarfs the horrific things Russians have done as far as civilians are concerned. There is nothing discriminate about things like reducing entire residential areas to rubble, bulldozing over fields of crops, or even blowing up tombstones of dead Palestinians.

  3. #528
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    Registered: May 2004
    Location: Canuckistan GWN
    Civilians die in war. Every war.
    Everybody's doin' it, doin' it, doin' it... so I guess it's OK.

    If this isn't proof that targeting is discriminate, I don't know what is.
    How about not deliberately targeting schools, apartments and hospitals?

    Hamas and Likud are a symbiotic parasite on humanity. It's doesn't matter which one is better or worse, they can't exist without each other and blame for the sum total of their destruction is shared equally between them.

  4. #529
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    Location: Mossad Time Machine
    Quote Originally Posted by Starker View Post
    There is nothing discriminate about things like reducing entire residential areas to rubble, bulldozing over fields of crops, or even blowing up tombstones of dead Palestinians.
    There are more than 400 miles of terror tunnels underneath Gaza, some of them wide enough for vehicles. That's three miles of tunnels per square mile. What do you think happens to the buildings above when those tunnels collapse? What do you think happens when armaments illegally stored in residential areas cause secondary explosions?

    This is your problem. You see the destruction, and blame it on Israel, without any remote interest in digging down further. Israel has blown up its fair share of buildings, no dispute there; when those buildings are being used for terror purposes, that's reasonable. But a significant proportion of them have been brought down because of the actions of Hamas and other armed groups. Bear in mind these tunnels are so flimsily contructed, they can even collapse when it rains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicker View Post
    How about not deliberately targeting schools, apartments and hospitals?
    If they're being used for military purposes, which they are, then they become legitimate military targets. You can check your Beginner's Guide to International Law if you don't believe me. Blame the people illegally using them as military installations rather than the people legitimately targeting those military installations.

  5. #530
    You really think that if Israel wanted to kill the Gazans they'd only have killed that many?

    I guess they're really the most incompetent genociders ever.

    Oh wait! Unless they are sniping kids, then they are eerily accurate.

  6. #531
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    Location: the Sheeple Pen
    Quote Originally Posted by Subjective Effect View Post
    You really think that if Israel wanted to kill the Gazans they'd only have killed that many
    Of course not. They only kill so many people that they can still convince people like you that they're the nicest and most moral people on the planet.

  7. #532
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    Registered: May 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by SD View Post
    Israel has blown up its fair share of buildings, no dispute there; when those buildings are being used for terror purposes, that's reasonable.[/URL].
    Israel has not blown up "its fair share of buildings". It has blown up "pretty much all the buildings". Including archives, bakeries, universities, etc. And civilian buildings, especially buildings like hospitals need an extraordinary high level of proof that they are actively used for military purposes and is presenting a current threat to the army. Proof that Israel has not provided.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...rt-_-Final.pdf

    Hospitals, ambulances, and other medical units, convoys, and transports (‘medical units’) enjoy special protection under international humanitarian law. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes shall not be attacked, and must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their special protection only if they are currently being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy. Prior to attack, a warning must be issued setting a reasonable time-limit for the adversary to cease its use of the unit, and an attack can only take place after such warning remains unheeded. Even if this special legal protection is lost, general rules of distinction, precautions, and proportionality continue to apply. These rules protect civilians and civilian objects (including medical equipment) in or near the medical unit.
    Israel has repeatedly attacked civilian objects without any justification or warning given:

    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...rt-_-Final.pdf

    ▪ An 9 October 2023 Israel Defense Forces (IDF) strike on Jabalia refugee camp that destroyed several multi-story buildings, killing at least 39 people, for which the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights (UN OHCHR) found no specific military objective and no reports of advance warnings.

    ▪ An 10 October 2023 IDF airstrike that completely destroyed a building in the Sheikh Radwan district, killing at least 40 civilians. Amnesty International found that a Hamas member had been residing on one of the floors of the building, but that he was not present at the time of the airstrike.

    ▪ An 10 October 2023 IDF airstrike on a home in Deir al-Balah that killed 21 members of the al-Najjar family as well as three neighbors. Amnesty International did not find any indication that there were any legitimate military targets present.

    ▪ An 13 October 2023 Israeli tank strike in Lebanon that killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah, severely wounded AFP photographer Christina Assi, and injured five other reporters. Subsequent investigations found no legitimate military target present.

    ▪ An 31 October 2023 IDF airstrike on a six-story apartment building near the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza that killed at least 106 civilians, including 54 children. Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military target in the vicinity of the building at the time of the attack, and Israeli authorities provided no justification for the attack.

    ▪ A 3 November 2023 IDF airstrike on a marked ambulance just outside of Gaza City’s al-Shifa hospital. No evidence of misuse to commit acts harmful to the enemy was found, and no warning was issued prior to the attack.

    ▪ A 24 December 2023 IDF airstrikes that destroyed several buildings in Al Maghazi refugee camp, killing at least 68 people. An Israeli military official told Israel’s Kan public broadcaster that “[t]he type of munition did not match the nature of the attack, causing extensive collateral damage which could have been avoided.”
    Also, it doesn't look like most of the destroyed buildings have collapsed in on themselves. They have been blown apart. Tunnel collapse doesn't scatter bits of buildings around. Tunnel collapse doesn't blow out windows and collapse roofs of multiple buildings in a large area while leaving walls standing. I can actually look at the footage of these buildings and see for myself that this is not due to tunnel collapses or any ammunition storage, because of the extent of the damage -- it is pretty much impossible to take down an entire city block that way. You have consumed too much Israel's propaganda, if you believe that the extensive and near total destruction of Gaza can be explained away by things like tunnels collapsing. And there is footage of these strikes and the destruction they cause. They are too graphic to post here, but there is indisputable proof that the destruction in Gaza is caused by Israeli airstrikes, not some collapsing tunnels or blown up ammunition storages.

  8. #533
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    Registered: Jan 2024
    Location: Egyptian Afterlife
    All of the WW1, and 2, and all the others wars across time, where sacrifices to non de-script dark gods by the cabal in power ruling the world, supposedly all this killing, child abuse, and the works give them a more elevated standing with their dark divinities, in exchange for supposed "powers", and yes they actually firmly believe that.

    Just to mention an odd situation, the local satanists asked for a holy day of celebration in order to "sacrifice" some people (euphemism for killing), it was obviously denied by the local congress.

  9. #534
    Power armour?

    Damn straight.

    Can't answer it because you'd have to admit you're absolutely full of it.

  10. #535
    The Necromancer
    Registered: Aug 2009
    Location: thiefgold.com
    Since it's also the middle east and involves fascists, Syria's new jihadi rulers have ushered in a new wave of terror and violence
    Members of Syria's small Christian community on the coast are living in fear after attacks killed more than 1,000 mostly Alawite civilians, with Christians reportedly caught up in the violence.

    "The current conflict in Syria does not concern me, but we are its victims," said Ruwayda, a 36-year-old Christian from the port city of Latakia.

    "There's a feeling that no one is protecting us," she told AFP.

    "I feel a mix of both fear and anticipation for what lies ahead in Syria, but I feel certain that migration is the only option," she added.

    The wave of violence -- the worst since former president Bashar al-Assad was toppled in December -- erupted in Syria's Alawite heartland on the coast on Thursday.

    It began with clashes between gunmen loyal to Assad and the country's new security forces.

    What later transpired has been described as a "massacre" in which members of Assad's Alawite minority were targeted.

    War monitor the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported at least 1,068 civilians -- the vast majority Alawites -- killed by security forces and allied groups.

    There were reports of Christians being caught in the crosshairs.

    In a Damascus sermon on Sunday, the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch John X said "many innocent Christians were also killed" alongside Alawites.

    Obituaries have been shared on social media for several members of the small Christian community on the coast.

    AFP was able to confirm at least seven of these, including for a man and his son an acquaintance said were shot on their way to Latakia.

    Another four members of one family were killed in their home in an Alawite-majority neighbourhood of the city, and the father of a priest was killed in Baniyas further south, relatives and their churches said.

    - 'Doors locked' -

    Social media videos have also spread panic, with one showing a fighter speaking in a non-Syrian Arabic dialect threatening Christians as well as Alawites.

    One Christian resident of Latakia, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, said he and his neighbours "have been staying at home since the start of the escalation with the doors locked for fear that foreign fighters might enter".

    All the Christians who spoke to AFP refused to give their full or real names for safety reasons.

    Many of the fighters who have staged the attacks since Thursday were not from Syria, according to various accounts.

    Analyst Fabrice Balanche said that before the war began in 2011, Syria had about one million Christians, or about five percent of the population.

    He said that number shrank to about 300,000 after the majority fled during the civil war.

    Despite efforts by the interim president and government to assuage fears, Syria's various minorities, including Christians, have been gripped by dread since the Sunni authorities seized power in December.

    Interim President Ahmed al-Sharaa led the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham group that spearheaded the offensive that toppled Assad.

    HTS was an offshoot of Al-Qaeda in Syria, and remains proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Western governments including the United States.

    - 'Pale with fear' -

    By Monday, a sense of relative normalcy had returned to Latakia, as security forces erected checkpoints outside Alawite-majority neighbourhoods, an AFP correspondent said.

    In Sunni and Christian districts, there was near-normal activity, although they lacked their habitual hustle and bustle.

    "We are very anxious. People's faces are pale with fear," said Heba, a Christian teacher who used a pseudonym to protect her identity.

    "We don't know what the future will bring," the 40-year-old said.

    She noted that while Christians had not been targeted directly as Alawites were, people were killed after being caught in crossfire.

    In a joint statement on Saturday, the pastors of churches in Latakia urged residents "not to be carried away by rumours".

    The statement sought to send a "message of reassurance" after the pastors met "a delegation from the leadership of the security department".

    Sharaa on Sunday vowed to "hold accountable, firmly and without leniency, anyone who was involved in the bloodshed of civilians... or who overstepped the powers of the state".

    But residents such as Gabriel, 37, said this failed to allay deep fears.

    "I'm not reassured about my future and I don't dare get married and have children in this place," he said.

    "A decade ago I had the chance to migrate to Canada, but I gambled that the situation would improve.

    "Today I regret not making use of that opportunity."

  11. #536
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    Registered: Apr 2003
    Location: Mossad Time Machine
    Not to worry, I am sure there will be demonstrations against Syria on every campus in the United States...

  12. #537
    Member
    Registered: May 2004
    I did not know US was supplying the new Syrian government with weapons. But if it's the case, they definitely should stop. And it should go without saying that any universities that still have financial ties to Syria should divest.

    As for the massacre, just goes to show again the evil of collective punishment and revenge killings.

  13. #538
    How convenient.

    Our friends, who are more decent and aligned with us, we should protest against. Those other guys, who are worse, aren't our friends so we should never protest against them.

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