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    Camping with a wing

    Took a paragliding course last year, and now I figured it was time for a paramotor. Ordered the new Air Conception R200 Xtrem, 35HP, one of the lightest paramotor engines ever made. I have an Advance Alpha 6 paraglider wing which I used for the course. It has paramotor risers, but it's a very slow beginner wing designed for free flying, not paramotoring. So I ordered a Dudek Nucleon 4, an intermediate wing suitable for cross-country paramotoring.

    I've calculated my combined weight with all gear and a full tank of gas, a trike would be 13kg and there'd still be more than enough room for a light tent, a sleeping bag and some food and water. There's camping and then there's camping. I'm going to try the latter.

    Anyone here have any experience with paramotoring? What motor do you have and how often do you change the transmission belt? Longest flight with refuel landings? Do you go to McDonald's like Tucker Gott?

    Last edited by Qooper; 16th Apr 2024 at 07:45.

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    No experience with a motor. That's a pretty specialized thing to ask on a forum not specialized for that kind of thing, but you never know.

    But I did used to go paragliding off the Salève with a group when I was working in Geneva. It was great. It's got a really sharp drop off with Swiss countryside and little villages underneath you and of course the lake and Geneva in the background. I remember how well you could feel the updrafts and downdrafts in the air, and the way the air worked as you approached the edge. Really fun sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demagogue View Post
    No experience with a motor. That's a pretty specialized thing to ask on a forum not specialized for that kind of thing, but you never know.
    There are many more paramotor pilots than there are programming language/compiler writers, and yet I started a thread here about making your own programming language some time around 2014. The thread garnered a fair amount of attention, so statistically this thread shouldn't be nearly as specialized as that other thread Well, here's hoping at least.

    But I did used to go paragliding off the Salève with a group when I was working in Geneva. It was great. It's got a really sharp drop off with Swiss countryside and little villages underneath you and of course the lake and Geneva in the background. I remember how well you could feel the updrafts and downdrafts in the air, and the way the air worked as you approached the edge. Really fun sport.
    Man that sounds awesome! I checked Salève on Google maps and the mountain/hill ridge looks so perfect for thermals. What wing did you fly, do you remember? Was it one of those hike-and-fly deals? Pod harness?

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    Yes I was hooking up to a guy doing the real flying, so didn't really catch all the details, and I probably should have made that clearer. But I was trying to learn as much as I could and getting to know the group with the idea of starting the training program they had, and I'm sure I would have if I had stayed in Geneva. But ultimately that gig ended & I didn't find another gig to stay there.

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    Ah, it was a tandem flight? That's probably the safest way to get into the sport. Are you still interested in paragliding? There are courses available all around the world that will get you the pilot's license, after which you can fly on your own. You might have one available near you as well. I don't mean to push you or anything, I'm just so excited myself, I can't stop talking about this

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    Fun little trip, I don't know if I would do it though.

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    Btw dema, when you were in Geneva, did you happen to work at the LHC? If you don't mind my asking, I'd be interested in hearing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuatDweller View Post
    Fun little trip, I don't know if I would do it though.
    Why's that?

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    I'm Afraid of heights.

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    I was as well. The first flight I was terrified, couldn't look down. I just concentrated on steering and listening to the instructor over the radio. 700 meters up in the air, sitting in a flying chair that is held up by a wing made of cloth. What can one do except enjoy the scenery? One can poop their pants, but I mean other than that.

    After landing, I was relieved.

    And I wanted to fly again. My second flight wasn't nearly as frightening, and I was able to appreciate how awesome it is to see how sunny it is above the clouds, and experience this without a big airplane and 100 other passengers around you plus some kid kicking your seat. You are there in the pilot's seat and you feel the crisp air on your face. When you takeoff you leave your worries on the ground. It's a different world up there, so peaceful and beautiful. Sometimes you see birds fly near you, cautiously looking at you with curiosity. Certain birds hunt for thermals, so if you follow them you'll find nice updrafts. It's difficult to describe the experience with words.

    42 flights so far and I no longer have a fear of heights. Of course I still respect the fact that I'm at a great height, and if I were to fall, it would be deadly. And of course I remain focused and carefully do all the preflight checks and put safety first. I don't go flying to mess around or do stupid things. But at the same time it's the safest, easiest and cheapest way to get into aviation. I really wish every one of you would try it at least once, because it really is quite the experience.

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    Well you certainly got a big pair down there to do that, my congratulations on you over coming your fears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qooper View Post
    Btw dema, when you were in Geneva, did you happen to work at the LHC? If you don't mind my asking, I'd be interested in hearing more.
    Haha, I work in a very different field. I started studying QM this last year because it was such a different thing than I normally do, also because you can get an actual answer. I like math, but I like when it's telling you something, not just pure math.

    I'm a researcher in international law & human rights, and at that time I was an assistant to one of the commissioners, the Finnish one Martti Koskenniemi, at the International Law Commission at the UN.

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    Last Friday I took off for the first time with my own paramotor. Many weeks of ground handling practise, especially reverse launch, and finally I was ready to actually take off. The weather was perfect, with a gentle wind. I pulled up the wing and once I got it to remain over my head, I faced forward, started running and squeezed on the gas trigger. I felt the motor pushing me forward, and the wing began to take the weight of the engine off my shoulders. Before I knew it my feet couldn't reach the ground anymore and I was up in the air! It was magnificent! I gave the engine more gas and gained more altitude. The runway was far below me, and there was a breathtaking sunset on the horizon. A distant lake glittered in the distance. There was fog on wheat fields. I touched the side of a cloud and decided to head back down - it was getting cold!

    The landing was much lighter and smoother than I had anticipated. I pulled the breaks smoothly just before hitting the ground, and I barely even noticed the weight of the engine coming back to my shoulders. I did three flights on Friday. This week, if the weather is suitable for flight, I'll fly some more.

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    Location: Bicester Oxfordshire UK
    Great stuff young fella ��
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    Registered: Sep 2001
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    Sounds like a lot of fun. Can you really go somewhere by wing to camp though? Around here there are only certain places where you can fly ultralights.

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