Reply With QuoteI don't see what skin color has anything to do with this.
I'm specifically curious about how often people who don't like Trump refer to him by his skin color. On the surface one could chalk it up to commentary about spray tan, but the insidious part of it is that people are associating his skin color with things that he has done that they don't like regardless of legality. For instance people might take exception to someone referring to Obama as the black man every time they complained about the healthcare system.Originally Posted by heywood
If we are to move beyond skin color a having anything to do with how well a person can do a job or whether or not they might be prone to misconduct we all have to play by the same rules. Now if you want to refer to Trump as the big stupid asshole that left a big mess we would all have a fairly good idea who you were referring to without needing to consider skin color. If you are referring to his spray tan results then it would make sense to reference that each time so that everyone understands what you are talking about.
I don't see what skin color has anything to do with this.
Last edited by heywood; 16th Sep 2024 at 18:16.
Neither do I so why do you bring it up?
I didn't. You did.
Just a reminder...
Four sitting US presidents have actually been assassinated.
Abraham Lincoln
James Garfield
William McKinley
John F. Kennedy
Ronald Reagan is the only U.S. president to have been injured in an assassination attempt while in office and survive.
Two former presidents, Theodore Roosevelt and Donald Trump, have also been injured in attacks.
Every politician targeted in each assassination attempt was a member of the Republican Party with the exception of one, JFK.
Every violent perpetrator was either a democrat, a socialist, or a communist.
"Originally Posted by heywood View Post
Seems the orange idol is sacred to you guys but school children are expendable."
Seems that you did...
Now Bobby is trying to drain our swamp!...
Quiet, Bobby!...We love our swamp and captured civilization!...You and Orange Man are bad!...
So if we kick out all of the independent technocrats tell me, dear Vae, just how much benzene should we tolerate in our water supply in parts per million? Do you know what an excess of benzene ingestion does to a human body, particularly among children?
Do you want to trust chemical companies to make that decision by pressuring the politicians whose campaign expenses are paid by those companies to make that determination, which is what happens when you gut independent agencies and send the decision directly to Congress. Is that who you trust for that decision? Not, say, somebody that got a PhD in epidemiology and making benzene dose-response graphs? I can get you a glass of water with the corporate recommended level of benzene in it you can take a drink from if you want to trust them so much.
Some swamp draining. For as much as Trump decries the US becoming like a "shithole" developing country (his term), where you can't even drink the water without getting sick and corporate fraud and corruption go unchecked, that's a sure fast track to get us there.
Last edited by demagogue; 16th Sep 2024 at 19:57.
Nope. And I'm done playing this little game. I don't know what your point was, and don't need to know. If you don't like me mocking his grooming habits, sorry. I think Trump can take it.
Last edited by heywood; 16th Sep 2024 at 21:02.
Chances of Trump getting alive to the election day, going further down with every attempt on his life.
Who wants to bet he wont make it alive to elections day?
You might have some actual point if this was his real skin colour. But it isn't. We know this from the times he has botched up his make-up and from the rare instances where he isn't wearing any.
The point is that he's a cluster b malignant narcissist, which means a whole host of things like he's entirely transactional, his identity literally doesn't exist outside self-aggrandizing transactions, he's blind to what's happening in the world outside the 2-degree field of view of how it directly affects him, he lacks the ability to empathize with other people, he can't cope with any reality that challenges him as the greatest ever, and if you try to force him to, you're either going to get a blank stare that doesn't comprehend what you're saying or a total narcissist collapse, raging, sobbing, blubbering breakdown, every private and state interest knows how vulnerable he is to flattery, he's such an open book, which makes probably the official most vulnerable to influence ever, he has a very well known NPD cycle of idealization, exploitation, devalue, discard for every transactional-relationship in his life from his wife and family to the guy that gets his burgers, and the list goes on...
The hair stitches and orange skin are two red flags pointing to the narcissism -- the other example like this that I know that you'll see sometimes is BPD girls constantly changing their hair length and color -- but anyway, it's not the grooming per se anybody cares about, it's the NPD.
It'd probably help discussion a lot if we could avoid speaking in euphemisms, adding one-liner sarcastic jabs, or littering our posts with these rhetorical jabs about "Drumpf" or "tRump," etc, and focus more on factual information about the election. These things just make it harder to communicate clearly, regardless of your place on the political spectrum.
Normally I try not to get into mocking politicians for silly things like bad comb overs and spray tans, but I admit to enjoying a few eye-rolling laughs over John Boehner's fake tan (the original orange man in Washington) and a few of Kirsten Synema's wardrobe choices. This time, I wanted to use the word idol, because his supporters are becoming like cultists worshiping a false god. I added the word orange to emphasize how clown-like he is, and I guess mxleader thought it was offensive. I don't know why anyone would think I was referring to his skin color. I also don't know what this has to do with race. Race isn't determined by skin color, it's determined by ancestry. And Trump is undisputedly white.
Show me a Trump supporter focusing on factual information and I might agree.
Last edited by heywood; 17th Sep 2024 at 09:25.
It's a standard tactic for some to make you sound like you're perpetrating the same social wrongs your side's known for calling other people out on - a sort of weaponised faux-projection, if you will. I wouldn't pay it any heed, because it falls down under any kind of logical scrutiny, so isn't worth more than a line dismissing it as imbecilic. If there's a race of Mirinda men out there feeling offended, it's probably because they don't want any association with Trump.
I agree, there's little to no facts there. But the focus from all parties on these weird sniping shibboleths just makes the possibility of discussing facts almost impossible. Directly correcting and pointing out the falsehoods, and getting into the details of them, is way, way more productive, and healthier. Regardless of position, the seeming reliance on, the substitution of, this stuff for actual discussion or thought is a bad look.
The reality of nine-ish years of MAGA cultism collides so hard with that statement it's not even funny. I agree that should be the case in a perfect world but how could you say this with a straight face when, ugh *waves at EVERYTHING*...
The goal of the discussion is not persuasion of those already committed to separation from reality- it's building a shared understanding of how and why that separation from reality occurs, and ensuring that we don't fall prey to the same issues or patterns of conduct.
TTLG isn't rife with Trump cultism, so it is fair to expect a better standard of discourse here than a YT comments section.
I have to admit to being burned out. First it was the Apalachee High School shooting, followed by the 2nd attempt on Trump, and finally there was this pile of excrement that hit the local news yesterday:
Libertarian Party of New Hampshire Digs In Amid Backlash and Law Enforcement Scrutiny After Appearing to Glorify Political Violence
Official Statement from The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire on Political Assassinations
To begin with, TTLG is a forum for video games, and this is CommChat, half of the whole point of which is to crack juvenile jokes and zings. It's not a political or policy forum. But in the big picture, there are lots of posts that go into a lot of depth too.
I'm small-d democratic in the sense that I think it's good to have a mix of all types, high minded political treatises alongside cheap zings, and ideally from every position, basically anything as long as nobody is calling for actual violence or dehumanizing their opponents and calling them cockroaches or whatever. And I think we mostly hit that target.
I can usually tolerate our own rightwing kooks because they usually have good things to say about gaming, Thief FMs in particular, which gives me faith they're not entirely detached from reality and I can trust their opinions and intentions talking about that topic, and then they just let paranoia and propaganda take over on politics I think. You could show statistics, e.g., migrant crime rates are lower than that of citizens; but they're in the realm of emotional truth and identity politics anyway, which isn't about statistics or wonk talk anymore, and I think cheap jokes and zings are more fitting if anything.
I mean if we were really going to talk about the gravest threat to the US and world, and what's at stake in the election, for starters we'd be talking about the vibrational quantum scattering of radiated IR light with CO2 and other greenhouse gasses that drives the earth's climate system in a billion different ways in different regions, which then drives a billion different socio-economic changes at every level of scale from the individual to the global economy; and I don't think you'd make it far because that topic gets very deep in to the weeds very fast. If you ranked actual threats by scale, illegal US migration would probably not be in the top 50, if that. You could say that until you're blue in the face and show the data to back it up, or you could just match a cheap claim with a cheap zing, which would at least be an actual exchange of rhetoric everybody follows and not talking at a blank stare of incomprehension. It's a discussion forum at the end of the day.
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Lincoln was assassinated by a Confederate who was part of a conspiracy to kill Lincoln
Garfield was assassinated by a delusional member of the Republican Stalwart faction
McKinley was assassinated by an anarchist with mental illness
Kennedy was assassinated by a suspected Soviet agent
Roosevelt's shooter was declared innocent by reason of insanity and committed, after saying he shot Roosevelt because McKinley's ghost visited him and told him to avenge McKinley's assassination.
Reagan was shot by a mentally ill man with no politics and a Jodie Foster obsession. He tried to get Carter first.
Trump's shooter was a registered Republican but there was nothing before the shooting to suggest a political motive. It was seemingly done for notoriety.
But the guy who they just captured is a politically motivated Democrat supporter, I'll give you that.
Any kind of affiliation wouldn't matter anyway, because such an act would only benefit Republicans -- if Lord Dampnut was martyred, Republicans would flock to the polls in massive numbers to cast a vote for DJ Vance, even the Republicans who would have stayed home otherwise. And millions of Democrats would suddenly lose their reason to vote.
Affecting the election outcome would be a minor consequence. If Trump is assassinated, it will inspire riots, revenge killings, and domestic terrorist attacks. It would be another stain on American democracy and a sign that the US isn't stable enough to rely on. If he is killed by a lone wolf, like the two so far, I will blame it on the vigilante gun culture the right keeps pushing now and the lack of mental health screening and treatment. That connection between policy and outcome is not something Republicans will accept because the cognitive dissonance will be too great, so it will drive them into conspiracy holes. The gap between Americans who believe in the real world and those who deny it will grow. It will be even worse if he gets killed by members of a political organization or foreign actor, because that will be like 9/11 all over again and cause us to build Surveillance State 2.0 and go on witch hunts. No good would come from it.
Lawrence O'Donnell reminds us of the vile and cowardly hypocrisy of tRump, when he criminalized women's bodily autonomy and their right to life-saving procedures. A right he continually brags about removing. A right he fully expected he could count on, to rid himself of the complications of fatherhood.
Worse than that, his actions, have criminalized women's medical procedures, un-associated with abortions, resulting in the avoidable death of at least one American woman, because the doctors who could have easily saved their lives, feared spending a decade in prison for doing the right thing.
Amber Nicole Thurman of Georgia, died in hospital because doctors refused her a routine procedure to clear dead, foetal matter from her uterus.
Amber Nicole Thurman is the first acknowledged death from Trump's pride and joy, but she will not be the last.
Add that to the one million Americans who died because of his inaction and incompetence dealing with COVID. Add that to the tens of thousands who have dies in Ukraine and Russia because of his support of fellow tyrant, Vladimir Putin. Add that to the hundreds of domestic and foreign intelligence agents and assets which he sacrificed to buy favour with Putin and others, by openly and secretly sharing national security information with his fellow despots.
I am sure my body count is a bit short. Feel free to add your own.
Lawrence O'Donnell lays it out. The pro-Trumpers here, including our beloved "objective" caucus, need to watch this in its entirety. I have my doubts that they will and that they are already making their excuses why not.
I think that body count is vastly inflated. Pandemics cannot be stopped by any one individual and the majority of the deaths would have happened regardless who was in power. The invasion happened after Lord Dampnut had already been fired. And I haven't heard of any deaths of US intelligence agents or assets that can be linked back to his mishandling of intelligence information.
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